Saw this on the e90 forum,
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=676169
Here is the direct link,
http://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w2...joyride-2.html
Saw this on the e90 forum,
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=676169
Here is the direct link,
http://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w2...joyride-2.html
It was a beyonder that originally found that video. Good work!
so Rage, hypothetically if this had been your vehicle, what would you have done?
We all are aware that your BMW took a nice lil joyride few years back
That thing could take way more that that without breaking a sweat:dunno:
Man that is so disrespectful. She sounds mean as hell though
Had it not been 3 in the morning and I was thinking I would have posted it here first and linked MBworld here...Quote:
Originally posted by rage2
It was a beyonder that originally found that video. Good work!
curious to see what the dealership does for the guy to make up for it
Driving a car under their insurance in a dangerous manner on public roads, FIRED!!!!!
Yea, but he's joyriding it during its break-in period....Quote:
Originally posted by kvg
That thing could take way more that that without breaking a sweat:dunno:
What a bunch or retards.
So what is the "expected" delivery mileage on these vehicles? What was the deivery mileage on yours Rage?
I knew someone who rejected one of the first Camaro SS cars from Shaganappi because it had 80km on it.
If I was spending the money $$$$$$! on one of these I would clearly set out my requirements for PPI test drives etc as I know this is a regular occurnce from Fords to Porsches at all dealerships. (IE Rage's Calgary BMW M3 Joyride)
This happened on a 1m with a dealer in California IIRC, the dealer got crucified by the internet lol. Why people do this and film it is beyond me.
Bitched like I did when it happened to my M3. Still would've taken the car, there's no more allocations out there.Quote:
Originally posted by colinxx235
so Rage, hypothetically if this had been your vehicle, what would you have done?
38 at the train yard (I went to the yard with my sales guy)Quote:
Originally posted by BMDUBS
So what is the "expected" delivery mileage on these vehicles? What was the deivery mileage on yours Rage?
40 after the drive to the dealer (I was passenger)
41 at delivery. 1km PDI road test.
Yea, you can easily get another allocation. This car is too rare, anyone refusing delivery will not get another one, that's a guarantee. The owner took the car.Quote:
Originally posted by BMDUBS
I knew someone who rejected one of the first Camaro SS cars from Shaganappi because it had 80km on it.
As for break-in, break-in period is overrated. There was zero damage done to the car in the video. If anything, it was broken in properly. What's concerning is the disrespect by the techs, beating on a car that's not theirs. If they got permission to beat on it, that's a different story.
I tell my tech at Lone Star to drive it hard whenever I bring it in for service. These cars are meant to be driven. The M3 was a different story. It was driven hard cold, and without my permission. I didn't even know it was going to be at the dealership.
I have to agree with this- most manufacturers aren't going to leave it up to the average new car buyer to ensure that an engine is broken in properly.Quote:
Originally posted by rage2
As for break-in, break-in period is overrated.
This. I'm not sure why it's still printed in the manual. Take Porsche for example, they ask for 2000 miles of easy driving. Yet, when the car is off the production line, every car runs flat out on a rolling dyno, after which it's driven hard on a test track.Quote:
Originally posted by 95teetee
I have to agree with this- most manufacturers aren't going to leave it up to the average new car buyer to ensure that an engine is broken in properly.
Absolutely has to be driven hard. Making the video was a poor choice, driving like that in a residential area is an illegal choice.
Broken in properly!! :thumbsup:
I must have missed that thread, or forgot, but Rage2 how did you catch the folk that took your other car for a joyride? Was it a brand new car, or just in for maintenance?Quote:
Originally posted by rage2
Bitched like I did when it happened to my M3. Still would've taken the car, there's no more allocations out there.
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old thread. Beyond members knew that Rage got in an accident and his car was fully repainted and required some stupid BMW clips or w/e.
Some members saw his vehicle being driven recklessly all around deerfoot meadows area. He also had gps in his car that tracked the path. Rage got mad at BMW but nothing much came of it IIRC?
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Does NOT matter WRT break in. This is more about customer respect. If this car has been ordered by a customer, it is the customer's car to do as they fit, not a bunch of dealership monkeys. Clearly they aren't particularly sharp anyway, by deciding to film it.
Matt Farah says it best
Well, according to the owner on mbworld, the dealership resolved the matter with him. He seems very happy and content with whatever went down. Won't reveal what exactly happened though. Well as long as the guy who paid the money is happy.
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They probably gave him a free cigarette lighter then 50% off for install.
Read the mbworld thread. The owner posted in there. He was compensated well beyond what he expected without asking. Didn't disclose what though.
Now that's damage control!Quote:
Originally posted by rage2
Read the mbworld thread. The owner posted in there. He was compensated well beyond what he expected without asking. Didn't disclose what though.
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It's crazy how much of this stuff happens. I ordered my Mustang and waited patiently almost three months for it to come in and after not hearing anything from the dealer near the expected delivery I called the Ford US customer service line and to my shock they told me the car was delivered at the dealership 3 days ago. Go to the dealer and my car as 120 kms on the odometer as the salesman thought he would take it on himself to drive the first 2012 mustang at the dealership for a couple of days. A car that was already ordered and sold that he knew I was waiting for. Lesser scale than the AMG for sure but nevertheless very disrespectful and unprofessional of the dealership (Universal Ford).
^That would piss me off so much. I hope you did something about that!
actually, only the CGT is factory broken in. They only test the engine on a dyno to hit 70ish mph before it gets shipped off. Seems like it would take more than 1-2min to break the rings ing :dunno:Quote:
Originally posted by rage2
This. I'm not sure why it's still printed in the manual. Take Porsche for example, they ask for 2000 miles of easy driving. Yet, when the car is off the production line, every car runs flat out on a rolling dyno, after which it's driven hard on a test track.
I've stated here a few times that modern engine building and assembly is so precise that there really is no need to seat rings anymore as you would in the past.Quote:
Originally posted by Projek01
actually, only the CGT is factory broken in. They only test the engine on a dyno to hit 70ish mph before it gets shipped off. Seems like it would take more than 1-2min to break the rings ing :dunno:
New engine bore cutting techniques allow them to not even need a cross hatch cut after the initial boring, as its all done in the first and last machining.
Ring tension, and design has come a long, looong way from the past.
Although the engine may have been used hard off the delivery truck, it as other have stated can only have helped the engine seat the rings further than to have done a 2k light break in.
Its fact that most break in procedures require you to "Vary" engine speeds and not to hold it only at one point.
Break in periods are more for needle bearings and such, to prevent over heating due to a lack of proper lubricant distribution, and this is more on the chassis end of things and also the transmission friction disks.
Any after market high performance engine needs to be broken in within the first 30kms of use, otherwise the rings are junk and then cylinder bores needs to be re-hatched, and seated.
Lasty the break in is also to allow the modern car ECU to learn the fuel curves and altitude variances to maximize performance and fuel economy.
Its time to get out of the old way of thinking people. Engine technology is light years ahead of the old flat head mills of the past!
Back on topic, the test drive those tech took was fairly mild, and controlled to be quite honest.
Totally disrespectful and unauthorized, but still far less severe than some other test drives I have witnessed at a dealership level.
Porsche has a racetrack just for beating on the cars as a final test. Note the name.Quote:
Originally posted by Projek01
actually, only the CGT is factory broken in. They only test the engine on a dyno to hit 70ish mph before it gets shipped off. Seems like it would take more than 1-2min to break the rings ing :dunno:
http://www.porsche-leipzig.com/en/st...efstrecke.aspx
If you do Euro delivery, you can do laps on the track as well with Porsche instructor, which breaks every single rule in the manual in regards to break in.
Do you know how much liability car manufactures have if they actually relied on end users following instructions for breaking in the engine and drivetrain to avoid failure? :nut:
I complained to Ford Canada but they said I would have to take it up with the dealership. The dealership offered me a free first service which I told them to stick up their ass. It's a crooked industry which is why I never, ever feel sorry for dealers.Quote:
Originally posted by shakalaka
^That would piss me off so much. I hope you did something about that!
Yeah. This happened to my on an STi. Not only did I order a brand new one, I was also not able to test drive one at Centaur because "you can't test drive an STi". OK. Got my car with 270km on it, a Mazda oil change sticker, green nitrogen valve stem caps. They insisted it comes like that brand new. Dug around a bit, called the Mazda dealership (in Lethbridge). It had turned out to be a demo car. They wouldn't do anything for me either. No I realize the car would probably be OK (this is less true for the STi than an AMG). But in the case of a car as expensive as the one in question (>$110,000) it's just a respect thing, not a mechanical issue.Quote:
Originally posted by heavyD
It's crazy how much of this stuff happens. I ordered my Mustang and waited patiently almost three months for it to come in and after not hearing anything from the dealer near the expected delivery I called the Ford US customer service line and to my shock they told me the car was delivered at the dealership 3 days ago. Go to the dealer and my car as 120 kms on the odometer as the salesman thought he would take it on himself to drive the first 2012 mustang at the dealership for a couple of days. A car that was already ordered and sold that he knew I was waiting for. Lesser scale than the AMG for sure but nevertheless very disrespectful and unprofessional of the dealership (Universal Ford).
Wow is it any wonder the Calgary Subaru dealerships get such a bad rap? Isn't it strange in this day and age that the 2nd largest purchase the average consumer makes is from the least ethical of all consumer businesses? Dealerships are built on the foundation of lies and swindling consumers. Of course there are a few honest dealerships and there are honest employees but the majority fit the stereotype.Quote:
Originally posted by stefan15
Yeah. This happened to my on an STi. Not only did I order a brand new one, I was also not able to test drive one at Centaur because "you can't test drive an STi". OK. Got my car with 270km on it, a Mazda oil change sticker, green nitrogen valve stem caps. They insisted it comes like that brand new. Dug around a bit, called the Mazda dealership (in Lethbridge). It had turned out to be a demo car. They wouldn't do anything for me either.
They are obsessed with getting the "ball rolling on this bitch."Quote:
Originally posted by heavyD
Wow is it any wonder the Calgary Subaru dealerships get such a bad rap? Isn't it strange in this day and age that the 2nd largest purchase the average consumer makes is from the least ethical of all consumer businesses? Dealerships are built on the foundation of lies and swindling consumers. Of course there are a few honest dealerships and there are honest employees but the majority fit the stereotype.
http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.p...=&pagenumber=2
the simple solution is unless you ordered a car you can't buy anymore, you look at the odometer before handing over your cheque. if it's over a reasonable amount like 50 then sorry, i am not buying this car nice try
mine had 38 on it, i specifically told the dealer no pdi, no washing, no detailing, no filling up the gas tank. they listened to all that except they did fill it. i guess the owner had to drive it down the street, oh well, i was doing full boost by 100km anyway, if you do a girly break in it will just burn oil later, 8k now and hasn't burned a drop :D
but 270km oh man no wayyyyyyy
270km? Sorry, that's not a new car in my books.
I would uppercut the salesman in the gut if he gave me a car with 270km on it. if I buy a brand new car the odometer better still be in the double digits
bought mine with 4km on the ODO :)
Believe the X5 came with 5km on it. How it should be
i don't know about other cars, but vw/audi have this programming built in if the odometer is less than 100, it can be reset to 0 again using an obd2 cable, for the purposes of customers whining...Quote:
Originally posted by npham
bought mine with 4km on the ODO :)
:poosie: Reset it after every day to and from work..Quote:
Originally posted by bart
i don't know about other cars, but vw/audi have this programming built in if the odometer is less than 100, it can be reset to 0 again using an obd2 cable, for the purposes of customers whining...
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I know it's nowhere the same level but as an example, my old Prelude had 500 or so km on it when I bought it. They gave me a great discount and threw a bunch of stuff in because of that but, I still considered it a new car.
The point is, as it relates to needing to be "babied" to break in properly, my car no doubt got a rough break-in with test drives but it only did good imo. Everyone who knows the broad acceptable range of oil usage that these things had knows that the fact that mine, at 100,000km, still only used a half liter between changes under "spirited" driving was a rarity. Hell, it's got 38,000 superchaged km in addition now on stock internals and still only uses up to 2 litres in 5000km when I drive it HARD. That's still within the acceptable range of a stock warrantied engine and I'm shoving 9 psi down its throat.
Hard break-in FTW.