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    Default VTEC and its many iterations.

    Ok, so a lot of people don't really understand the many different forms of VTEC much less what it is or how it works. Anyway, I don't feel like explaining how it really works, but here are the million different forms of VTEC.

    SOHC VTEC.

    This is the general, run of the mill VTEC that we see in most Honduhs (Civic Si, 4 bangin Accords..). Basically, the VTEC concept is applied to the intake side of things. We reach the VTEC engagement point and BAM, oil pressure forces a little pin to engage the wild profile lobe. This VTEC is the shiet. It basically gives you DOHC performance from a SOHC engine.

    VTEC-E.

    The E stands for Economy. In this version of VTEC, there is actually only one cam-profile, and VTEC has nothing to do with cam-profile optimization. What happens is that at low rpms, one of the intake valves is inactive, so the combustion chamber is only running on 3 valves. Basically, this is designed to put a funky swirl on the AF mixture so that it burns more thoroughly. At higher RPMs, VTEC is used to activate the 2nd intake valve so that the engine can operate normally. With VTEC-E, you actually lose a bit of power compared to non-VTEC models.

    3 STAGE VTEC.

    Basically, the Honduh guys decided to combine SOHC VTEC and VTEC-E. This involves using two VTEC systems on the same engine and one activates after another to give three stages.
    Stage 1-combustion chamber is on the passive lobe with 3 valves.
    Stage 2-combustion chamber is on the passive lobe with 4 valves.
    Stage 3-combustion chamber is on the aggressive lobe with 4 valves.
    As far as I know, 3 stage VTEC is only being used on the 1.5L engine in the Ferio.

    *some people seem to think that this is superior to DOHC VTEC, because DOHC VTEC is 2 stage, which is incorrect. Don't forget that 3 stage VTEC is only VTEC-E and SOHC VTEC working together.

    DOHC VTEC

    The Holy Grail of VTEC. VTEC technology is implemented on both the intake and the exhaust cams. Basically this is Honda's best form of VTEC, and it is purely intended for performance, not economy. You see this in Honda's performance cars (NSX, Prelude, SiR, etc)

    iVTEC

    This comes in SOHC and DOHC forms on a variety of Honda's new K series engines. Basically the i implies that VTEC is now supplemented with infinitely variable camshaft phasing, which continuously changes the camshaft timing depending on RPM, engine load, etc for optimum output. iVTEC is something that Honda really needs, because everyone always complains about how Honda's have no torque...but with iVTEC, you get tons of low-end torque.

    Whew ok, I think I got it all...

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    VTECH

    ...a really cool phone
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    IBcopypaste. j/k

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    the stage 3 vtec sounded kinda neat.
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    Well, it's good to see someone attempt to educate, and actually post correct info!
    Too many "honda enthusiasts" see VTEC as an equal to nitrous.

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    Originally posted by Ekliptix
    IBcopypaste. j/k

    Now I know, and knowing's half the battle. - GI Joe

    the stage 3 vtec sounded kinda neat.
    haha well i did have to check a couple sites to make sure i wasnt mixing things up...but yea the 3 stage vtec is cool, but not a "performance" thing thats for sure.

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    Originally posted by ninjak84
    Too many "honda enthusiasts" see VTEC as an equal to nitrous.
    I agree. People must be informed that VTEC > N20!!!!

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    Why do people put Vtec stickers on there car? Its so stupid.

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    Originally posted by ///M Power
    Why do people put Vtec stickers on there car? Its so stupid.
    i dont know, but i know that was off topic...

    i didnt write a fricken essay so some1 could bitch about stickers!!

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    Nicely written Jeff


    yo clarified my thoughts on the 3stage, as someone at work had mentioned it and I had the profiles mixed up
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    Originally posted by Jeff TYPE R
    i dont know, but i know that was off topic...

    i didnt write a fricken essay so some1 could bitch about stickers!!
    Where did I say that I specifically was asking you? Oh, I didn't, I was asking for peoples opinion. And I got yours, stupid as usual.

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    http://www.billzilla.org/vvtvtec.htm

    Here's someone's comparison between V-TEC and VVT

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    Originally posted by Yellow_Fly_Red
    http://www.billzilla.org/vvtvtec.htm

    Here's someone's comparison between V-TEC and VVT
    honestly, im not too fond of that article, because it only mentions DOHC VTEC and it is outdated. iVTEC has the same camshaft phasing like toyotas VVTi...

    actually, almost all car manufacturuers have some sort of camshaft phasing, but not many have the 2 cam profile system..

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    Some info on BMW's VANOS and Double VANOS technology...

    http://www.bmwworld.com/technology/vanos.htm



    I like VANOS technology over V-TEC because VANOS increases both HP and Torque significantly...
    while V-TEC increases mostly just HP....
    IMHO....

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    Originally posted by ///M Power
    Why do people put Vtec stickers on there car? Its so stupid.
    Why do people put ///M stickers on the 318ti's? That's even more stupid.

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    Originally posted by Yellow_Fly_Red
    Some info on BMW's VANOS and Double VANOS technology...

    http://www.bmwworld.com/technology/vanos.htm



    I like VANOS technology over V-TEC because VANOS increases both HP and Torque significantly...
    while V-TEC increases mostly just HP....
    IMHO....
    thats right. but who gives a shit about VTEC when theres iVTEC?

    try finding an article comparing iVTEC to dual vanos.

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    I prefer DIESEL cars...
    or something like this..

    http://www.mbspy.com/w203c30.htm



    got some power and wicked fuel mileage.... 800KM+/tank
    and Diesel is cheaper then regular gas....

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    Originally posted by Yellow_Fly_Red
    V-TEC increases mostly just HP....



    I actually effects torque more.

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    Originally posted by Yellow_Fly_Red
    I prefer DIESEL cars...
    or something like this..

    http://www.mbspy.com/w203c30.htm



    got some power and wicked fuel mileage.... 800KM+/tank
    and Diesel is cheaper then regular gas....
    Yes, Diesel is cool but there is a bad side to it too. I dunno about M-B, but I see a few Jetta TDI's around here and they sound really loud at idle and have a very bad smelling exhaust. And isn't there something about emissions from a diesel engine is not as clean as a gasoline engine?

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    Originally posted by gpomp


    Yes, Diesel is cool but there is a bad side to it too. I dunno about M-B, but I see a few Jetta TDI's around here and they sound really loud at idle and have a very bad smelling exhaust. And isn't there something about emissions from a diesel engine is not as clean as a gasoline engine?

    Diesel just looks bad because the wax in the diesel not fully combusting. Diesel in the long run is better cause its more efficient, but...it has its drawbacks......

    the loud TDI's? loud, hardly, they have come a long ways compared to the old school early 90's or the Benz ones of the 80's...still not gas quiet, but hey, quiet enough you can here the turbo spool...
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    hmmm.....
    I'll agree with you when Honda develops an i-VTEC 3.2L 6 cylinder engine that can pump out both more HP AND TQ than the current E46 M3 engine... (this is possibly the last 6 cylinder M3 .. as they might move to a V8 configuration in the future)

    fair enough..??

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    hahahahaha....
    have you ever heard my car when I started first thing in the morning in the winter...????
    damn... sounds exactly like a diesel engine.. just as loud too...
    I forget that its gasoline until I have to refuel..

    the oddities of the 2.3L Kompressor engines..... thats why the are replaced by the new 1.8L Kompressors on the 2003+ C230 sports coupes....

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