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Yes, you did. At least two times:

"However don't force your belief on others that don't share it."

"Again, don't force your belief on others."

Those statements are your beliefs about forcing beliefs on others. You are telling me and other "religious nuts" to not do something--the very thing that you say we are doing. That is you forcing your beliefs on me and other "religious nuts".



What a laughable stance

So basically your belief is you should have the right to force your beliefs on others... and people who want you to cut it the fuck out and mind your own business are therefore trying to force their beliefs on you, lol.

And you wonder why people get pissed off at religious nut balls?

In a free country, people have the right to believe in whatever they want, so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.

The great thing about minding your own business is that nobody is imposing their beliefs on your life, so you are free to decide if you want to take the path of euthanasia or abortion based on your own values and beliefs.

It isn't forcing my beliefs on you by advocating choice... unlike you voting for people or in referendums that would seek to strip others of that choice.


Originally posted by duaner
I am not standing in anyone's way. Have you done any reading of what is going on in with euthanasia places such as Belgium? It's pretty scary; once that ball gets rolling...

Oh yeah... not forcing people to live out their final days in horrible pain because a cluster of righteous assholes have commandeered the political system... gee what a shame.

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Duaner forcing his beliefs on sugarphreak vs sugarphreak stopping him from doing so



It would appear that Duaner is expressing his opinion on internet form, much like Sugarphreak was. Could you explain how Duaner was forcing his belief, and Sugarphreak was merely stopping him from doing so?

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It would appear that Duaner is expressing his opinion on internet form, much like Sugarphreak was. Could you explain how Duaner was forcing his belief, and Sugarphreak was merely stopping him from doing so?



Nobody is forcing their belief on others on a forum, it is an exchange of ideas and opinions

What is forcing your briefs is if you are voting against choice either in referendums or for politicians that would seek to remove that right to choose.

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Originally posted by HuMz


It would appear that Duaner is expressing his opinion on internet form, much like Sugarphreak was. Could you explain how Duaner was forcing his belief, and Sugarphreak was merely stopping him from doing so?

you should re-read the last page, you're missing the point by a country mile

Edit: sugarphreak took the time to clarify it

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you should re-read the last page, you're missing the point by a country mile


That's straight out of his playbook, though: look at every religious conversation that has ever been on beyond, and you'll find a HuMz gem that finds a way to be totally relevant and irrelevant at the same time.

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Nobody is forcing their belief on others on a forum, it is an exchange of ideas and opinions

What is forcing your briefs is if you are voting against choice either in referendums or for politicians that would seek to remove that right to choose.




Whether you are discussing something on an open forum or marking down your vote on a ballet, both are free expressions and choices that one can make in a democratic society.

Its absolutely absurd to think that because someone may exercise that democratic right on an issue that you disagree with, that they are therefore forcing their belief any more then you are. There are two sides to virtually every moral issue.

It sounds like your taking issue with those specifically that seek to implement laws or policies that will restrict others. However, virtually all laws do exactly this. And in that sense, every law is a forced belief on those that it restricts. What I don't get is whats wrong with that? A society without forced beliefs in the form of laws would be anarchy.

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It sounds like your taking issue with those specifically that seek to implement laws or policies that will restrict others. However, virtually all laws do exactly this. And in that sense, every law is a forced belief on those that it restricts. What I don't get is whats wrong with that?



What's wrong with that is simply that not all laws are just and ethical. More specifically, when laws suppress basic personal rights such as the right to die, homosexuality, the use of contraception, polygamy, etc.

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Whether you are discussing something on an open forum or marking down your vote on a ballet, both are free expressions and choices that one can make in a democratic society.

Its absolutely absurd to think that because someone may exercise that democratic right on an issue that you disagree with, that they are therefore forcing their belief any more then you are. There are two sides to virtually every moral issue.

It sounds like your taking issue with those specifically that seek to implement laws or policies that will restrict others. However, virtually all laws do exactly this. And in that sense, every law is a forced belief on those that it restricts. What I don't get is whats wrong with that? A society without forced beliefs in the form of laws would be anarchy.



I disagree, there is a fundamental aspect you are overlooking

Rights are not subjected to voting (at least, they are not supposed to be in theory). If they were, then the majority would simply vote away the rights of the minorities. That is why we have a Canadian Charter of rights and freedoms in place, and not just a free for all for politicians to do whatever they want.

At the end of the day, both euthanasia and abortion are rights over your own body, and frankly they should be protected under that charter.

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At the end of the day, both euthanasia and abortion are rights over your own body, and frankly they should be protected under that charter.


Religion sees this point differently, hence the continuous argument surrounding it.

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Religion sees this point differently, hence the continuous argument surrounding it.




This again leads back to my point that it is inconsistent to say that Christianity aims to end suffering as an exception is always made when they perceive that god's will demands people suffer:

Originally posted by duaner

There is such a thing as pain management for many conditions. Do you think suicide is dignified? What about fighting till the end?

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Duaner,

You accuse of others of not understanding the bible / christians. Realistically, what is there for others to understand other than a belief in an invisible man and a 2000 year old mish mash of a book filled with condoned murder, contradictions, hatred, laughable superstitions, laughable medical cures... I could go on and on.

You then post fundamental falsehoods about dying with dignity which clearly show you don't understand the topic. Example, Belgium and pain management.

In regards to knowing the bible, I suggest this breakdown of the bible which shows the general absurdity of the bible:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/intro.html

In regards to dying with dignity:

The Supreme Court has confirmed what patients, healthcare professionals and our supporters have known for years: the Criminal Code ban on physician assisted dying violates our human rights.

In striking down the old law, the justices clearly explained why the ban contravenes our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The prohibition, the court wrote, forces patients to endure intolerable suffering against their wishes and denies them autonomy over their bodies



That's a quote from the website for the Canadian dying with dignity movement:

http://www.dyingwithdignity.ca/

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This again leads back to my point that it is inconsistent to say that Christianity aims to end suffering as an exception is always made when they perceive that god's will demands people suffer:


I don't disagree. Religious history is full of atrocities, and many of these are still ongoing. Millions have people have died in the name of Christianity or Islam over the decades.

They still are, even today.

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I don't disagree. Religious history is full of atrocities, and many of these are still ongoing. Millions have people have died in the name of Christianity or Islam over the decades.

They still are, even today.



Agreed, yea my point was directed at duaner. His comments suggest that assisted suicide because of living an extremely painful low quality of life is not dignified but fighting/suffering until the end is. So how can he claim Christianity aims to prevent suffering

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I would be right, of course. Regarding abortion, a solid case can be made through science and philosophy, so I am comfortable saying the atheist is certainly wrong.

And, yes, I find Sharia Law's oppression of women wrong, as any decent human being should.


The reason women wear the beekeeper suit in Saudi Arabia is because the female form arouses men, which must be prevented. Last I checked, there's a solid case in science and philosophy for that too. But of course YOUR view is right and theirs is wrong, right??


Originally posted by duaner
I don't understand your point about birth control. Do you know Christians who don't care about how the world will be in 200 years? If you do, they are wrong. That is not a biblical position and I know of no Christian who believes that.


Please tell me you're joking. Here's an article that discusses how 41% of your fellow Christians in the USA believe Jesus is coming in THEIR LIFETIME (by 2050). Let's not bullshit by pretending these views are not mainstream. The only two Christians I am close with in Calgary who actively practice (and follow the teachings) wholeheartedly believe this.

https://www.good.is/articles/more-t...pture-is-coming

Originally posted by duaner
There are Bible scholars who are not theists as well as those of different religions. There is a ton of material out there by Christian scholars and theologians which give very credible, coherent answers.

Beginning by dismissing anything the Bible says prior to reading it, studying it, and attempting to understand what it says, is rather closed-minded. It is post-truth. And that is the very problem. I don't see how it is rational to disbelieve something that one hasn't actually studied, especially so strongly and vehemently.


Not anything. I think the bible is a historical fiction book with lots of basis in reality and around events that actually occurred; that's undeniable. The fiction starts when the "miracles" or any talking with God starts.

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The reason women wear the beekeeper suit in Saudi Arabia is because the female form arouses men, which must be prevented. Last I checked, there's a solid case in science and philosophy for that too. But of course YOUR view is right and theirs is wrong, right??



The only true Religion is the one I'm blinded by.....errrr, I mean devout to. All others are blasphemy resulted from a perverted understanding of the word of God.

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