NDP trying to unionize engineers

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by g-m
I guess its reasonable that you wouldn't be familiar with the 'responsibility' part of the profession.
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I guess its reasonable that you have no real argument in its favour because its an illogical stance to take.

[dirtsniffer]

Why do you think engineers aren't responsible for public safety?

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
Why do you think engineers aren't responsible for public safety?

Why do you think engineers are anymore responsible for public safety than any other type of employee?

[schocker]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
Why do you think engineers are anymore responsible for public safety than any other type of employee?

The other employees don't have to check and stamp the drawings?

[lilmira]

It depends if the person stayed at holiday inn express or not.

[Maxt]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2

His comment caught my eye as well. I don't know a single electrician who'd be willing to make such a definitive statement such as "I'd never work non union again". They'd all tell you there are pros and cons to each. The higher standards comment was complete nonsense. Most trades are governed by a multitude of Provincial and Federal guidelines, regulations and codes that the union plays zero part in.

I think Gestalt figured his statement was a quick way to bolster his argument when the reality is it just once again revealed his lack of life experience.

Interested to know what the "higher standards" comment pertained to.
Was it employment standards? Job acceptance and workmanship? Candidate choice?
Not sure what rights they have over other workers either, especially self employed tradesman?

[killramos]

HiTemp if I pay the fee will you take the NPPE and show me your pass fail?

Based on your comments in here I have a feeling which way it will go... and even geologists pass that test

[Gestalt]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
Engineers have a duty to maintain public safety. There is no arguing that point.

Back on track. Fuck I hope I don't have to join a union. I think apega sent me an email about this.

If engineers went on strike, who would die?

Please compare and contrast to if doctors went on strike as the op compared?



Buncha mechanicslly inept, self importatnt scientific calculator users. Your the reason I have to pull a cab to change a head gasket.

And I still dont see anyone trying to uniojize you. Just giving you freedoms ypu didnt have.

[lilmira]

What? People don't die now? Oh shit

[killramos]

Originally posted by Gestalt


If engineers went on strike, who would die?

Please compare and contrast to if doctors went on strike as the op compared?



Buncha mechanicslly inept, self importatnt scientific calculator users. Your the reason I have to pull a cab to change a head gasket.

And I still dont see anyone trying to uniojize you. Just giving you freedoms ypu didnt have.

The funniest part of this post, is this is the "edited" version

[dirtsniffer]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


Why do you think engineers are anymore responsible for public safety than any other type of employee?

LOL. Why is a doctor responsible for public safety and the X ray tech isn't?

[killramos]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer


LOL. Why is a doctor responsible for public safety and the X ray tech isn't?

Lol at least x ray techs don't pretend they are doctors.

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by Maxt
Interested to know what the "higher standards" comment pertained to.
Was it employment standards? Job acceptance and workmanship? Candidate choice?
Not sure what rights they have over other workers either, especially self employed tradesman?

See, Gestalt did exactly what he does in every single thread he's involved in. If he doesn't have a predetermined response queued up he'll just ignore your post and move on to one he does have a contrived response too.

[Gestalt]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer


LOL. Why is a doctor responsible for public safety and the X ray tech isn't?

More doctor comparisons.

[Gestalt]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2

See, Gestalt did exactly what he does in every single thread he's involved in. If he doesn't have a predetermined response queued up he'll just ignore your post and move on to one he does have a contrived response too.

It would just further derale the post further from the main points. It's a general point, not important enough to argue.


Engineers arent as critical for strike as doctors. No one will die if engineers strike. Work might stop, but that's the point. And no one is forcing anyone to do anything, rather fundamental rights are being restored.

[Type_S1]

If engineers unionize in Alberta, or any other critical office staff in O&G (G&G, landman, etc.), the O&G industry in Alberta will be officially dead. No argument on this; there are enough challenges already with all the BS...big money will be gone.

I don't think government employees (ahem...guys on this forum) understand how bad HR is in large energy companies. At my last shop we tried to fire people for both fking up massively on things (causing big $s lost and one lawsuit) and being completely useless at their jobs. HR stepped in and said these staff members had to be put on a "performance improvement plan" first. It's a long process and extremely regulated as large companies are afraid of being sued or having bad press.

[Maxt]

Originally posted by Gestalt


It would just further derale the post further from the main points. It's a general point, not important enough to argue.

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by Gestalt
It would just further derale the post further from the main points. It's a general point, not important enough to argue.

You're the one who brought it up

I have some respect for a Troll that knows they're a Troll and takes pride in it. A Troll that lacks the self awareness to know they're a Troll is just sad.

[speedog]

Interesting thread but no where have I read that there will be any attempts to unionize engineers and even if the Alberta codes were to change to include engineering professions as one that could be included in a bargaining unit, it doesn't mean it's automatic. Votes would still have to be held and in shops where there is currently no union, chances are quite good that nothing would change. Yeah, some rules may change but being in a union just is not a guarantee.

The topic of mandating the Rand formula in collective agreements will be a touchy subject - some unionized workplaces already have this in their collective agreements while others don't.

People also need to understand whether or not changes to Alberta's code will have the potential to affect their workplace or not - is your workplace federally or provincially mandated? TELUS is a federally mandated workplace and as such, any changes to the Alberta codes would have zero effect on TELUS. Many people have absolutely no clue as to what jurisdiction their workplace falls under and then begin spouting off on topics such as this even though they might not even be affected - do some homework and figure out if you'll really be affected or not.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Maxt

Can you tell me what higher standards the pipefitters got over say a non unionized pipefitter, or self employed pipe fitter?

As usual, that guy has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. He makes shit up, ignores anything that counters his opinion (no matter how factual) and avoids being challenged by deflection and misdirection.

He doesn't have a fucking clue. He's the smartest person he knows though so I guess that's worth something?