BMW M2 World Premiere at Detroit NAIAS

[riander5]

Originally posted by dnizzle


Whether new or used I always compare all options in the price range...at the end of the day I don't know about you guys but I am looking for performance, but at the same time don't want to lose an arm and a leg just for the sake of being an early adopter.

This is why comparisons like this exist:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1125221

At least these cars have some mod/tunability

Id be rattled if I bought an e46 / e92 m3.... Spend thousands to squeeze and extra 5-10 hp and then then you gotta SC or TC em

[JustinL]

Originally posted by riander5


At least these cars have some mod/tunability

Id be rattled if I bought an e46 / e92 m3.... Spend thousands to squeeze and extra 5-10 hp and then then you gotta SC or TC em

It really depends on what you want. There is something to be said about n/a cars. You can't get crazy power out of them, but they are tough and 338bhp (E46M3) is still a pretty fun amount of power. It's just not muscle car territory by today's standards.

[jutes]

Originally posted by riander5


At least these cars have some mod/tunability

Id be rattled if I bought an e46 / e92 m3.... Spend thousands to squeeze and extra 5-10 hp and then then you gotta SC or TC em

I can't speak for the e46 but I've owned a e92 for a few years and they are perfectly fine in stock form with just a simple exhaust upgrade. If you want to go fast in a straight line there are plenty of other options.

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by heavyD
Too much money. German car pricing is starting to get out of control.

well... it's only too much money for you. Not for the real buyers.

[redline]

Originally posted by riander5


At least these cars have some mod/tunability

Id be rattled if I bought an e46 / e92 m3.... Spend thousands to squeeze and extra 5-10 hp and then then you gotta SC or TC em

For a E46 you pretty much had to go FI to get any real power increase or spend 10k for ~10hp

but on the E9x you can easily get 40hp with min cost if you choose. which makes a pretty big diff over a stock car...


But this still does not compare to a turbo car

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Team_Mclaren


well... it's only too much money for you. Not for the real buyers.

No. It's too much money. $70k for a 2 series is madness. It's not that I can't be a real buyer, it's that I don't want to be at that price.

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by heavyD


No. It's too much money. $70k for a 2 series is madness. It's not that I can't be a real buyer, it's that I don't want to be at that price.

You are say the same about any car. You are not a real buyer if you wont buy it at that price. Thats what a real buyer means. No shit i'd buy it if its the same price as a civic


as mentioned, its 90k+ for an M3/4. 110k+ for an M5

A CLA45 optioned out is close to 70k otd too.

[jutes]

You would have to be pretty crazy to purchase a new German car considering the average depreciation. People usually lease them and dump them after three years.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by jutes
You would have to be pretty crazy to purchase a new German car considering the average depreciation. People usually lease them and dump them after three years.

Yeah the steep depreciating and poor reliability has always scared me away from purchasing one as I'm not a big lease guy but it seems like the only way to get into one of these cars.

[benyl]

Originally posted by Team_Mclaren

as mentioned, its 90k+ for an M3/4. 110k+ for an M5

A CLA45 optioned out is close to 70k otd too.

I don't know where you guys are pricing your cars, but a C63 / M3 / M5 / RS5 is $100K+ now OOTD. Next level up has you at $120K

The M2 is a bargain compared to the M3 / M4.

[killramos]

I just used the online configurator to Spec an M3 to the same features as an M2. M3 can obviously be higher than 90k as it has more available equipment.

[benyl]

Originally posted by killramos
I just used the online configurator to Spec an M3 to the same features as an M2. M3 can obviously be higher than 90k as it has more available equipment.

Fair enough. I usually go fully loaded on everything. No Fully loaded "Except..."

[heavyD]

Originally posted by benyl


Fair enough. I usually go fully loaded on everything. No Fully loaded "Except..."

That's why I struggle when pricing out these cars. I always buy loaded cars because of my OCD as I know I will always regret passing on options. When I price these cars out they are loaded. I'm getting weak though as I'm maybe getting too old for a car like a Focus RS and it's one of those things on my bucket list.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by heavyD
Too much money. German car pricing is starting to get out of control.

I don't think it's too much money at all. The pricing was ridiculous 10 years back. C55 for $77k starting, STi $49k I'm sure there are more examples.

Cost of ownership probably about the same anyway. If you own it finance/cash pay you'll probably baby it so much lol my attitude with leasing + excess wear tear package, i drive the crap out of it.

[BavarianBeast]

Originally posted by riander5


At least these cars have some mod/tunability

Id be rattled if I bought an e46 / e92 m3.... Spend thousands to squeeze and extra 5-10 hp and then then you gotta SC or TC em

I got 30hp+ out of my E92 M3 before putting a blower on it.

Now that it has a blower I'm close to 650hp. Not sure what there is for me to be rattled about..

[gregrego]

Originally posted by BavarianBeast


I got 30hp+ out of my E92 M3 before putting a blower on it.

Now that it has a blower I'm close to 650hp. Not sure what there is for me to be rattled about..

At 440hp did the car wake up? Is 650 enough?

I drove a stock e92m was quick but not explosive

[killramos]

BMW's high revving NA engines really need to be bagged a bit to wake up, both the V8 and the V10 ime.

One of the reasons why I prefer a 320hp N55 car to the M V10 in the M6. N55 is more fun as a daily with all the low end torque, esp at altitude.

Just my opinion of course.

[beyond_ban]

Originally posted by killramos
BMW's high revving NA engines really need to be bagged a bit to wake up, both the V8 and the V10 ime.

One of the reasons why I prefer a 320hp N55 car to the M V10 in the M6. N55 is more fun as a daily with all the low end torque, esp at altitude.

Just my opinion of course.

I have to agree, chipped N54 is a more fun daily than the S85 based on usable power. Of course, when the opportunity comes along to let the V10 howl there is no contest.

Im curious to see how much after market support is going to be able to boost the M2. If you can get 450 whp with a few mods, this car will be an absolute blast.

[BavarianBeast]

Originally posted by gregrego


At 440hp did the car wake up? Is 650 enough?

I drove a stock e92m was quick but not explosive

I think the car woke up quite a bit at 440hp (guesstimate). 650 is definitely more than enough, I am extremely happy with the power and have put up to 5 cars on a 458. I would only get into a car with over 700hp if it was AWD.

[riander5]

Originally posted by BavarianBeast


I got 30hp+ out of my E92 M3 before putting a blower on it.

Now that it has a blower I'm close to 650hp. Not sure what there is for me to be rattled about..

Well if you have the funds to do a blower on an already expensive car then you prob have nothing to be rattled about.

But compared to its performance rivals (I know my mustang and all other american cars arent as luxurious we need not get into that)... mercedes, lexus, ford, chevy etc, the NA bmws are so tapped out beyond a massive warranty voiding upgrade that I personally would be rattled.

Also supercharger kits from what iv seen are pretty pricey.

But all that being said if you are ok parting with 70-80 grand and another 20k US on top of that well then you certainly dont have anything to be rattled about !