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Sounds like a good plan
I've been hovering around the 200-215 range for the last 3 years, and its time to cut the excuses. I Started going hard on the cardio a few weeks ago, and I've committed to getting back to a slimmer, more cut 185-190 that i was a few years back and back into my 32" jeans lol. I should really get my body fat checked as i have no idea, but i would guess around 17-20%....i already feel much better, Just need to resist the junk food.
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how many calories do you have to eat per day to actually gain weight while your working out?
Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
Always wanted a celica? Or just since you got your first period?
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Depends on a lot of things man. You need to know:Originally posted by bashir26
how many calories do you have to eat per day to actually gain weight while your working out?
+ Your BMR (basal metabolic rate). Basically, how many calories does your body burn just to stay alive?
+ How many calories you burn during your workout.
Then, once you know those values, you can design a diet that affords you a healthy surplus so you'll gain weight
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how do I find out this stuff?Originally posted by A790
Depends on a lot of things man. You need to know:
+ Your BMR (basal metabolic rate). Basically, how many calories does your body burn just to stay alive?
+ How many calories you burn during your workout.
Then, once you know those values, you can design a diet that affords you a healthy surplus so you'll gain weight
Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
Always wanted a celica? Or just since you got your first period?
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http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
^^ It's an approximation, but better than nothing
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quick google searchOriginally posted by bashir26
how do I find out this stuff?
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
*beat me to it*
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Originally posted by s dime
quick google search
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
*beat me to it*same link and everything :P
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wow i need to consume 3300 calories to gain weight including working out 3-5 times a week. That's a shit load of food. I think I'm going to invest in a serious protein shake.
Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
Always wanted a celica? Or just since you got your first period?
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Eat more. Eat dead animal. Devour that shit like it's your job man.Originally posted by bashir26
wow i need to consume 3300 calories to gain weight including working out 3-5 times a week. That's a shit load of food. I think I'm going to invest in a serious protein shake.
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This is good if you are average, not so good if you are obese or muscular (which apparently are the same thingOriginally posted by A790
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
^^ It's an approximation, but better than nothing)
I prefer the Katch-Mcardle formula based in LBM if you are either of the above as it is a little more accurate, but if you are average, there might be a 100cal difference which is a couple of farts at day.
http://www.weight-loss-i.com/calorie...ch-mcardle.htm
If you are having trouble taking in calories remember this:
Protien: 4cal/gr
Carbs: 4cal/gr
Fat: 9cal/gr
I am not suggesting sucking back fat, but I am a fan of higher pro/(good) fat diets. Try it and see what works for you.
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Originally posted by bashir26
wow i need to consume 3300 calories to gain weight including working out 3-5 times a week. That's a shit load of food. I think I'm going to invest in a serious protein shake.
Thats easy man , I eat more than that to keep my weight stable lol.
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Re: Darkane gets RIPPED!
For those that care this seems to be the most quoted study:Originally posted by Darkane
Supplements: I know this will be everyone's Favorite so I'll go into depth here.
Some of you guys have probably read some stuff I posted when someone asks for Diet advice and I usually tell them to ignore "Fat burners" and thermos. Well I still stand by that, but this go around I've employed one for myself.
Biotest's Hot Rox Extreme. Info can be found here: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...hotrox_extreme
The primary reasoning behind this is for one simple ingredient, Forskolin. Biotest's version is Carbolin 19. Info for Carbolin can be found here: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...nabolic_bridge
Biotests Carbolin 19 is a pure version of Forskolin. Forskolin is usaully sold in a 10-20% purity version and can cause some digestion issues and leaky gut. So I opted for the ester.
Forskolin has been shown to burn fat while BUILDING new muscle. Sounds to good to be true? Perhaps, at least in an advanced athlete, but as an intermediate I still could see some of that.
Obes Res, 2005 Aug;13(8):1335-43.
Decent summary:
http://fatnews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/3226/
Really curious about how this works for you Darkane, although the studies I have read are promising, I really did not like the subjects selected for the testing.
- 30 obese men... fat loss is ussually greatly exaturated in obese individuals, thats why they are used.
- What I found really promising was:
Total Testosterone
Total Testosterone: +17% in the forskolin group vs -1% in the placebo group
Total testosterone levels increased by 16.8 percent in the forskolin group versus a decrease of 1.1 percent in the placebo group.
Free Testosterone
Free Testosterone: +3.5% in the forskolin group vs -4.1% in the placebo group
Free testosterone levels increased by 3.5 percent in the forskolin group versus a decrease of 4.1 percent in the placebo group.
I think that this is worth it alone.
Yohimbine is fun... have you taken before?
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Nice work Darkane. I know that you are working with Wes, but sort of routine are you doing for the next bit? (no need to do an outline, just high level stuff)
Any plans on using thermogenics if you start plateauing? How about cheat meals and any plans on shitloads? Your macro's are very similar to mine too and I love it, much easier for me to follow then a strict re-comp.
As for the 2000-3000 kcals per day comment. Use fitday.com to track your calories for a few days, that will give you an idea of how many you are consuming. From there you can determine are you gaining/losing/maintaining with that food intake and you can roughly determine if you need to eat more or less.
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Yes should have you re-read your original post, Hot Rox for a thermo. Forskolin is great, but you have to be careful if taking it pure as if you read the instructions wrong (like me) you get the shits pretty bad.
And Routine, still interested in what program Wes puts you on.
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Oz,Originally posted by Oz-
Nice work Darkane. I know that you are working with Wes, but sort of routine are you doing for the next bit? (no need to do an outline, just high level stuff)
Any plans on using thermogenics if you start plateauing? How about cheat meals and any plans on shitloads? Your macro's are very similar to mine too and I love it, much easier for me to follow then a strict re-comp.
As for the 2000-3000 kcals per day comment. Use fitday.com to track your calories for a few days, that will give you an idea of how many you are consuming. From there you can determine are you gaining/losing/maintaining with that food intake and you can roughly determine if you need to eat more or less.
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Yes should have you re-read your original post, Hot Rox for a thermo. Forskolin is great, but you have to be careful if taking it pure as if you read the instructions wrong (like me) you get the shits pretty bad.
And Routine, still interested in what program Wes puts you on.
Haven't gotten the Routine yet. Tomorrow or the next day.
I've been on the Hot Rox for 7 days now. No GI issues. The Forskolin is an active ingredient in the Hot rox so I don't have to take two separate items.
Also to those interested, I will be keeping a personal log. I'll periodically post my weight in this thread, but I won't have body fat until feb 20th or so when I'm back in Calgary.
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-H.P. Lovecraft
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3300 cals can seem like a lot if that's the most you've eaten cleanly.Originally posted by bashir26
wow i need to consume 3300 calories to gain weight including working out 3-5 times a week. That's a shit load of food. I think I'm going to invest in a serious protein shake.
Some things to help with consuming a lot of clean foods:
Nuts, Olive oil, cheese, eggs.
Make a 6 egg omelet with 2 oz Cheese, assorted veggies then eat a hand full of almonds 2oz. Fitday says 1k cals for that. Throw in 2 cups homo milk and 1tbsp olive oil to fry it in and you got a muscle building breakfast if I've seen one.
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age."
-H.P. Lovecraft
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When I was taking a Forskolin and Sesamin stack, I made the mistake of overdosing a bit on the Forskolin. Only need 1/3 of a 1/4 teaspoon for a daily intake. Read the dosage info on the container wrong and thought I had the stomach flu for a couple of daysOriginally posted by Darkane
Oz,
Haven't gotten the Routine yet. Tomorrow or the next day.
I've been on the Hot Rox for 7 days now. No GI issues. The Forskolin is an active ingredient in the Hot rox so I don't have to take two separate items.
Also to those interested, I will be keeping a personal log. I'll periodically post my weight in this thread, but I won't have body fat until feb 20th or so when I'm back in Calgary.
If you find that Hot Rox isn't your thing, you can try Forskolin and Sesamin or TTA stack also. Did the TTA for a bit, but lost too much strength at the time, which I later found out due to the nature of TTA being a decoupler.
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for breakfast I usually eat 4 scrambled eggs mixed with mozzarella cheese and tomatoes.
or I eat 5-6 packs of oatmeal hot cereal. The hot cereal usually gives me 1080 with homo milk its about 1280 and a glass a milk its about 1400? I usually eat this for breakfast if I'm serious.
but I find eating the same things everyday makes my stomach bloated with gas? anyone else have this problem?
Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
Always wanted a celica? Or just since you got your first period?
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Originally Wes recommended the Sesamin etc. I read up on it and didn't think it worthy, but I wasn't as well read then. I'll take another look if the Hot rox don't perform.Originally posted by Oz-
When I was taking a Forskolin and Sesamin stack, I made the mistake of overdosing a bit on the Forskolin. Only need 1/3 of a 1/4 teaspoon for a daily intake. Read the dosage info on the container wrong and thought I had the stomach flu for a couple of days
If you find that Hot Rox isn't your thing, you can try Forskolin and Sesamin or TTA stack also. Did the TTA for a bit, but lost too much strength at the time, which I later found out due to the nature of TTA being a decoupler.
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age."
-H.P. Lovecraft
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Updated some supplement info and a routine teaser.
I might have to reconsider my strength goals. This might end up being a Mass cut lol. If that makes sense, I'll explain later
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age."
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