Question about right of way/who goes first

[Disoblige]

Originally posted by Zero102

This specifies that you may turn left on a red light from a one way to a one way. Section 26 covers what lanes may be used for turning and the basic answer is, you can turn left on red from the second or third lane provided you stop first and there is a sign stating that you are in a turning lane and there is no sign prohibiting turns on red lights.

This. You will see some one-way to one-way intersections where there is signs indicating no left turns on red (such as the lights on 3rd St, 9th Ave SW.)

But on other one-way to one-way turns, there is no signage saying that, in which you can turn left on red onto 9th ave from 1st lane into 1st lane, 2nd lane into 2nd lane, and 3rd lane into 3rd lane after stopping first.

[rx7boi]

Originally posted by ShermanEF9
whoever gets there first goes. in the event you arrive at the sign at the same time, straight has right of way.

That's how I do it. If I see that we'll be approaching the stop sign at the same rate, I'll purposely slow down and time it so that he gets to stop first.

Of course, you'll always get the idiot who isn't paying attention and still tries to wave you through. Worse yet, you'll get the other kind of idiot who thinks they stopped first or that their rolling stop was sufficient.

[16hypen3sp]

Originally posted by Disoblige

This. You will see some one-way to one-way intersections where there is signs indicating no left turns on red (such as the lights on 3rd St, 9th Ave SW.)

But on other one-way to one-way turns, there is no signage saying that, in which you can turn left on red onto 9th ave from 1st lane into 1st lane, 2nd lane into 2nd lane, and 3rd lane into 3rd lane after stopping first.

Excellent, good to know. Does the same apply for right turns on red? For example, facing west on 50th St. (one way) at the intersection with 49th Ave (one way) in Red Deer. There are two right turn lanes - the centre lane is designated straight or right turn. Can I turn right on red from this lane (lane 2 into lane 2)?

[Traffic_Cop]

Originally posted by ExtremeSi
I always thought it was "first to stop, first to go" at stop signs. That's how I've always treated it and expect other drivers to. Doesn't matter if you're turning left, right or going straight. Whoever stopped first gets to go next once their path is clear.

Good grief!, how on earth did you pass your drivers test?. This is covered in the drivers handbook as well should have been taught to you by your instructor. Sorry to come down on you, but out of all the posts on this topic, this one actually concerned me.

[speedog]

Originally posted by ExtremeSi
I always thought it was "first to stop, first to go" at stop signs. That's how I've always treated it and expect other drivers to. Doesn't matter if you're turning left, right or going straight. Whoever stopped first gets to go next once their path is clear.

I would surmise that you'd be one of those who has no clue what to do in an uncontrolled four way intersection then. There's one about a block away from my house and it is literally amazing how many people do not know the yield to the right rule - the number of times I've almost been hit or have been given the finger by the driver who was supposed to yield in this intersection when I had the right of way is absolutely astounding.

Do people not actually pay attention to signage in an intersection or lack thereof or are they just ignorant of the rules we are legally supposed to drive by in Alberta?

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop


Good grief!, how on earth did you pass your drivers test?. This is covered in the drivers handbook as well should have been taught to you by your instructor. Sorry to come down on you, but out of all the posts on this topic, this one actually concerned me.

The good thing that came out of this post was it brought you back from retirement. I miss the Traffic Cop timbits of the month section, maybe consider restarting that again? "left signal, is to indicate you're about to make a left turn, or left lane change, etc"

[speedog]

Use signals?

My good man, wtf are you smoking? Just on another recent beyond thread we had actual living and breathing beyond members defending their reasons why they didn't have to use signals.

[ExtraSlow]

Originally posted by speedog
or are they just ignorant of the rules we are legally supposed to drive by in Alberta?

This is the reason.

[Maxt]

Can we get this thread put up on a billboard at H22x and 37 st sw? So many people think its how Extreme SI thinks it is.. Drives me nuts...no pun intended...

[J-hop]

Originally posted by speedog
Use signals?

My good man, wtf are you smoking? Just on another recent beyond thread we had actual living and breathing beyond members defending their reasons why they didn't have to use signals.

Which thread is this haha. I need to read it.

I imagine the arguement went something like "when no one is around I don't use my signals". Great so you are taking something that should become something you automatically do subconsciously when changing lanes and trying to condition yourself to instinctually respond in opposite ways given a small variable change. The intelligence of some drivers is astounding!!!

[speedog]

Originally posted by J-hop


Which thread is this haha. I need to read it.

I imagine the arguement went something like "when no one is around I don't use my signals". Great so you are taking something that should become something you automatically do subconsciously when changing lanes and trying to condition yourself to instinctually respond in opposite ways given a small variable change. The intelligence of some drivers is astounding!!!

Here ya go, link.

[Marsh]

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[Disoblige]

Originally posted by 16hypen3sp


Excellent, good to know. Does the same apply for right turns on red? For example, facing west on 50th St. (one way) at the intersection with 49th Ave (one way) in Red Deer. There are two right turn lanes - the centre lane is designated straight or right turn. Can I turn right on red from this lane (lane 2 into lane 2)?

This applies to right turns as well. Example, many dual right turns in downtown like 9th Ave onto Macleod Tr South or turning onto 5th Ave towards Memorial Tr. (one way onto one way). You can turn on red on both turning lanes, not just the lane closest to the curb.

[ExtremeSi]

Originally posted by Traffic_Cop


Good grief!, how on earth did you pass your drivers test?. This is covered in the drivers handbook as well should have been taught to you by your instructor. Sorry to come down on you, but out of all the posts on this topic, this one actually concerned me.

I passed it fine first time thank you. In my 15+ years of driving I have never heard anyone mention this until this thread. Unless I am misunderstanding something here.

If there is a 2-way stop intersection and the car facing you is turning left in front of you and they stop first, you're saying that you have the right of way if you're going straight? Common sense tells me that you should let them go first since they stopped first. If there is a line of cars behind you, they can all go straight before the person facing you turns? That doesn't seem right.

Originally posted by speedog


I would surmise that you'd be one of those who has no clue what to do in an uncontrolled four way intersection then. There's one about a block away from my house and it is literally amazing how many people do not know the yield to the right rule - the number of times I've almost been hit or have been given the finger by the driver who was supposed to yield in this intersection when I had the right of way is absolutely astounding.

Do people not actually pay attention to signage in an intersection or lack thereof or are they just ignorant of the rules we are legally supposed to drive by in Alberta?

No I know exactly what to do in uncontrolled intersections. I also think they are a horrible idea. A stop or yield sign is a lot cheaper than an easily-avoidable car accident. Anyway, I pride myself in knowing (or thought I did) the rules of the road and am very surprised if I am wrong on this thread.

[16hypen3sp]

Originally posted by Disoblige

This applies to right turns as well. Example, many dual right turns in downtown like 9th Ave onto Macleod Tr South or turning onto 5th Ave towards Memorial Tr. (one way onto one way). You can turn on red on both turning lanes, not just the lane closest to the curb.

I figured so. Reason I asked was because the intersection in my example was a major point of contention recently in a facebook group. Some thought you could turn right on red from any lane, others thought only from the curb lane.

[blairtruck]

Originally posted by ExtremeSi


I passed it fine first time thank you. In my 15+ years of driving I have never heard anyone mention this until this thread. Unless I am misunderstanding something here.

If there is a 2-way stop intersection and the car facing you is turning left in front of you and they stop first, you're saying that you have the right of way if you're going straight? Common sense tells me that you should let them go first since they stopped first. If there is a line of cars behind you, they can all go straight before the person facing you turns? That doesn't seem right.




No I know exactly what to do in uncontrolled intersections. I also think they are a horrible idea. A stop or yield sign is a lot cheaper than an easily-avoidable car accident. Anyway, I pride myself in knowing (or thought I did) the rules of the road and am very surprised if I am wrong on this thread.

common sense says a car turning left in front of a car going straight means straight wins. hopefully you tell everyone else you know so others will know also.

[Traffic_Cop]

Originally posted by ExtremeSi


I passed it fine first time thank you. In my 15+ years of driving I have never heard anyone mention this until this thread. Unless I am misunderstanding something here.

If there is a 2-way stop intersection and the car facing you is turning left in front of you and they stop first, you're saying that you have the right of way if you're going straight? Common sense tells me that you should let them go first since they stopped first. If there is a line of cars behind you, they can all go straight before the person facing you turns? That doesn't seem right.




No I know exactly what to do in uncontrolled intersections. I also think they are a horrible idea. A stop or yield sign is a lot cheaper than an easily-avoidable car accident. Anyway, I pride myself in knowing (or thought I did) the rules of the road and am very surprised if I am wrong on this thread.

Not only are you wrong, the saddest thing about your original post is that you "expect everyone" to do the same. This entitlement is wrong and potentially dangerous.

Shame you passed your test the 1st time, even more sad that after 15yrs you still cant drive correctly.

[Gestalt]

I can't believe how many people screw up and think it's first come first serve.

When I'm turning and someone going straight is trying to be nice, I change course and go straight.

So annoying and completely lacks common sense

[JustinL]

Originally posted by ExtremeSi
If there is a line of cars behind you, they can all go straight before the person facing you turns? That doesn't seem right.

This is the biggest problem with bigger traffic volumes. If the rule was followed 100% the left turner and everyone behind him has to wait until all of the oncoming traffic clears... which may not happen until rush hour is over.

[Thaco]

Originally posted by JustinL


This is the biggest problem with bigger traffic volumes. If the rule was followed 100% the left turner and everyone behind him has to wait until all of the oncoming traffic clears... which may not happen until rush hour is over.

realistically if the person going straight has time to go in the traffic break, you should be able to make the left turn right behind him at practically the same time... most of the time.