NDP trying to unionize engineers

[Gestalt]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Unions are part of a mixed market, not part of free market capitalism

No. Regulation is against free markets.

And no such thing as free market capitalism.

It's either free markets, or capitalism. Very different.

[mazdavirgin]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
Not sure if I'm reading this right, but this would apply to engineers that work for companies where the labor force is already unionized, right?

Would not apply to workplaces that are currently non-union?

If that's correct, it'll provide a strong disincentive to work for those unionized companies.

Correct... You would be forcibly unionized if for example you worked as an engineer in a union shop so for example Enmax, City of Calgary, CP, CN, etc...

Seems like the techs are out pissing and moaning in the engineering threads again.



Chip on their shoulders?

[Stuart]

Originally posted by Gestalt




You are giving yourself WAY to much credit.

No one is in danger if an engineer on strike. This is not about doing your job badly. This is about public danger if you went on strike.

Christ, they can't change a car tire without their wives help. In some life threatening emergency, we could just call a 2 year sait grad to save us from the engineers on strike apocalypse.

Just because you haven't encountered an engineer that is directly responsible for issues of public safety does not mean they do not exist. But after having read a lot of your posts I don't expect you to understand how that could be the case. Keep being an uninformed fool.

[HiTempguy1]

You seem to be the only one with a chip on your shoulder. Do we need a "where did the union touch you?" diagram? You're the only one bringing up differences. Sorry, can a mod change the thread title to "engineer union hate circle jerk only pinky rings allowed" thread?

I just find it amusing how much of a hate on some of you have for unions. JR at best has a right to his opinion with experience, but that is the experience of one person. Most of you have read some articles in the National Post and called it a day lol.

If unions did half the outright evil crap some corporations do, I could see your arguments. Otherwise, it mainly sounds like sour grapes

[mazdavirgin]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
You seem to be the only one with a chip on your shoulder. Do we need a "where did the union touch you?" diagram? You're the only one bringing up differences. Sorry, can a mod change the thread title to "engineer union hate circle jerk only pinky rings allowed" thread?

I just find it amusing how much of a hate on some of you have for unions. JR at best has a right to his opinion with experience, but that is the experience of one person. Most of you have read some articles in the National Post and called it a day lol.

If unions did half the outright evil crap some corporations do, I could see your arguments. Otherwise, it mainly sounds like sour grapes

You're not impacted by the changes so why do you feel the need to apparently come in here and tell us all how great it's going to be to have to join unions against our will?

There's a big difference between joining a union willingly and being forced to become part of a union.

But again the second we post about engineering issues we get a bunch of techs with chips on their shoulders posting nonsense about how engineers are useless yada yada or how they apparently can't change tires.



Yeah we get you guys need to come to the internet to talk yourselves and your lack of education up but frankly we don't care so maybe go make your own thread to bitch about engineers...

[lasimmon]

I didn't even need to open the thread to know who would be spouting garbage in here.

[Xtrema]

That's it guys, please help Greg built up Alberta party so I can vote NDP out as PC is no longer my party.

[lasimmon]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
You seem to be the only one with a chip on your shoulder. Do we need a "where did the union touch you?" diagram? You're the only one bringing up differences. Sorry, can a mod change the thread title to "engineer union hate circle jerk only pinky rings allowed" thread?

You jelly

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by mazdavirgin


You're not impacted by the changes so why do you feel the need to apparently come in here and tell us all how great it's going to be to have to join unions against our will?

First, you don't have to join a union against your will, holy overreaction. Second, I never said unions were great (this is one of the most hilarious parts, you suffer so badly from UDS that you just completely make things up) You keep saying that, but its really not the case. But even if it were, as a lot on here like to trot out the old tired saying, "you don't have to work there".

Originally posted by mazdavirgin

There's a big difference between joining a union willingly and being forced to become part of a union.

I agree.

Originally posted by mazdavirgin

But again the second we post about engineering issues we get a bunch of techs with chips on their shoulders posting nonsense about how engineers are useless yada yada or how they apparently can't change tires.

Well that wasn't me. And the most disparaging thing I've said is for someone to take some odd morally righteous stance that them being an engineer and being part of APEGA gives them some weird sense of duty which is complete crap, almost evangelical

Originally posted by mazdavirgin

Yeah we get you guys need to come to the internet to talk yourselves and your lack of education up but frankly we don't care so maybe go make your own thread to bitch about engineers...

Seems like you just want to talk down, but that's alright, I don't particularly care about your little internet tantrums Does it make you feel better, getting all upset with some random person on the internet and insulting them? Does the big tough engineer need his bottle?

So basically, in short, you are a little bitch, get over yourself. Don't post in a public forum unless you want public commentary, I'm sure there must be an engineering forum for you to cry somewhere about your irrational, over the top hatred of unions

Originally posted by lasimmon


You jelly

No, this shit is hilarious from people I assume to be actual adults

Originally posted by mazdavirgin
Also would really hate to see the shit show that would result if engineers have to deal with the bullshit of union seniority and strikes.

What does this even mean? You do understand that a union does not HAVE to have a seniority clause, right? Some do, some don't. As for striking, please tell me of how many strikes you are aware of in Alberta in the last decade? I'll wait for you to find that info. But beyond that, I sincerely doubt anyone would notice if engineers went on strike, just like I sincerely doubt anyone would notice if I did

[bjstare]

Originally posted by Stuart

*snip*
Keep being an uninformed fool.

Oh, he will. You can count on it.

[lasimmon]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


First, you don't have to join a union against your will, holy overreaction. Second, I never said unions were great (this is one of the most hilarious parts, you suffer so badly from UDS that you just completely make things up) You keep saying that, but its really not the case. But even if it were, as a lot on here like to trot out the old tired saying, "you don't have to work

I agree.

Well that wasn't me. And the most disparaging thing I've said is for someone to take some odd morally righteous stance that them being an engineer and being part of APEGA gives them some weird sense of duty which is complete crap, almost evangelical

Seems like you just want to talk down, but that's alright, I don't particularly care about your little internet tantrums Does it make you feel better, getting all upset with some random person on the internet and insulting them? Does the big tough engineer need his bottle?

So basically, in short, you are a little bitch, get over yourself. Don't post in a public forum unless you want public commentary, I'm sure there must be an engineering forum for you to cry somewhere about your irrational, over the top hatred of unions


No, this shit is hilarious from people I assume to be actual adults

Soooo jelly

[Disoblige]

Add that to the long list of another thread ruined by HiTempguy1 due to engineering debate, lol.

[schurchill39]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
You seem to be the only one with a chip on your shoulder. Do we need a "where did the union touch you?" diagram? You're the only one bringing up differences. Sorry, can a mod change the thread title to "engineer union hate circle jerk only pinky rings allowed" thread?
:

I think the better question would be "where did the engineer touch you" because your hate for engineers far surpasses any of our hate for unions.

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by schurchill39

I think the better question would be "where did the engineer touch you" because your hate for engineers far surpasses any of our hate for unions.

What? Please demonstrate any "hatred" or even dislike? Some people in this thread? Sure, the specific people. But engineers? Nope, pretty sure I like people that are of the enginerd persuasion If you haven't noticed, one of the easiest way to rile those people up is to insult their profession (hell, you even fell bait to it and it wasn't a comment pointed at you, a clear sign of "chip on shoulder" attitude).

Originally posted by Disoblige
Add that to the long list of another thread ruined by HiTempguy1 due to engineering debate, lol.

Damn me and bringing facts to a thread. Damn me to hell! I honestly just enjoy it now, seeing the engineers get their panties all bunched up

[dirtsniffer]

Engineers have a duty to maintain public safety. There is no arguing that point.

Back on track. Fuck I hope I don't have to join a union. I think apega sent me an email about this.

[Maxt]

Originally posted by Gestalt
I don't see how. Every person I know in a union, whether pipe fitters, electricians, truck drivers, teachers loves their Union, the higher standards, the rights, and would never work non unionized again.

Can you tell me what higher standards the pipefitters got over say a non unionized pipefitter, or self employed pipe fitter?

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by Maxt
Can you tell me what higher standards the pipefitters got over say a non unionized pipefitter, or self employed pipe fitter?

His comment caught my eye as well. I don't know a single electrician who'd be willing to make such a definitive statement such as "I'd never work non union again". They'd all tell you there are pros and cons to each. The higher standards comment was complete nonsense. Most trades are governed by a multitude of Provincial and Federal guidelines, regulations and codes that the union plays zero part in.

I think Gestalt figured his statement was a quick way to bolster his argument when the reality is it just once again revealed his lack of life experience.

[mazdavirgin]

HiTempguy1 can't even form logical arguments and I can't be bothered to read his shit posts... All I can say is he sure feels strongly about topics which have no bearing on him so yeah I'm going with:

Originally posted by lasimmon
Soooo jelly

In either case make sure you fill out the survey or contact the NDP to try to put at halt to this stupidity.

[g-m]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1

Well that wasn't me. And the most disparaging thing I've said is for someone to take some odd morally righteous stance that them being an engineer and being part of APEGA gives them some weird sense of duty which is complete crap, almost evangelical

I guess its reasonable that you wouldn't be familiar with the 'responsibility' part of the profession.


I would agree with what seems to be the consensus, fuck this idea.

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by mazdavirgin
HiTempguy1 can't even form logical arguments and I can't be bothered to read his shit posts...

Well you must read them to come to those conclusions. Looks like I have another Beyond stalker Also, you directly quoted and replied, so... You can't form logical arguments and resort to insults. You have no real basis for your blind hatred.

Its ok to admit it, I won't tell anyone :p