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Hilarious that costs went up over half billion dollars 4 years later, still don't have the money, but whatever!


Well that is only one library extra so no big deal
They can just install a permanent speed camera at the new abominable location to pay for the road.

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WTF just happened?



Trudeau is in power, we are legalizing pot and taxing the crap out of it. Let's get your wish list in now.

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I thought that is the cities shtick. Wait until it is years late and way more money with more complexity and then do it.



And when they do it the proactive way and build something like the airport tunnel when it would be the cheapest and least complex way of doing it people still bitch and complain because doing it that way means you're still spending a lot of money without seeing the benefits for a long time.

By the time a project has shifted from being early enough to be cost efficient and in demand enough to be politically worthwhile the scope of the project has likely shifted anyway so the process has to be started again and complexity goes up and more stakeholders become involved to drag the process on further etc.

There may be a cost benefit to doing things proactively but there is rarely a political benefit. You're just making things easier down the road for somebody else while you get all the heat.

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And when they do it the proactive way and build something like the airport tunnel when it would be the cheapest and least complex way of doing it people still bitch and complain because doing it that way means you're still spending a lot of money without seeing the benefits for a long time.

By the time a project has shifted from being early enough to be cost efficient and in demand enough to be politically worthwhile the scope of the project has likely shifted anyway so the process has to be started again and complexity goes up and more stakeholders become involved to drag the process on further etc.

There may be a cost benefit to doing things proactively but there is rarely a political benefit. You're just making things easier down the road for somebody else while you get all the heat.


This is why I set anyone straight who dares bring up the tunnel. 'But it goes to nowhere!!!'. They should have just given some firm numbers on what it would cost to build the tunnel under an active runway and with permission from the airport authority at a later date.

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Personally I don't know why they even bothered opening the airport tunnel. Its going to need to be completely redone for the train anyways. How many more millions will that be to venture a guess?

Every cent that went into finishing and maintaining it is money down the drain. But no council needed it open to show off and brag about their tunnel to nowhere.

Country hills is literally 60 seconds further up barlow in the meantime...

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Y'all might be surprised how much traffic the tunnel is actually seeing - I've used the tunnel regularly for almost the past year and it is most definitely becoming busier and especially so now that 36th Street has seen improvements. I suspect it's being used to avoid McKnight and Country Hills at rush hour - Country Hills will be a non-issue once it's 4 lanes all the way through the NE but who knows how long that'll take.

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This is why I set anyone straight who dares bring up the tunnel. 'But it goes to nowhere!!!'. They should have just given some firm numbers on what it would cost to build the tunnel under an active runway and with permission from the airport authority at a later date.


The tunnel is burning $1.5m a year right now, with costs continuing to go up over the years. The argument isn't that it's cheaper to build now than later (not sure how that math works with ongoing operating costs plus the cost of the interchanges/land purchases which was never included in the first place), but if it was even needed in the first place with Country Hills Blvd being 1.5km away. IIRC the argument was that Country Hills Blvd isn't meant to be a huge throughway, but it's being expanded as such today.

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The tunnel is burning $1.5m a year right now, with costs continuing to go up over the years. The argument isn't that it's cheaper to build now than later (not sure how that math works with ongoing operating costs plus the cost of the interchanges/land purchases which was never included in the first place), but if it was even needed in the first place with Country Hills Blvd being 1.5km away. IIRC the argument was that Country Hills Blvd isn't meant to be a huge throughway, but it's being expanded as such today.



Nothing says proactive planning like having only one E-W connector route between Stony Trail N and McKnight Blvd.

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Nothing says proactive planning like having only one E-W connector route between Stony Trail N and McKnight Blvd.



Nothing says good planning like having 3 of said connectors in a 4 km stretch of a nearly 10km span.

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Nothing says proactive planning like having only one E-W connector route between Stony Trail N and McKnight Blvd.


Originally posted by killramos
Nothing says good planning like having 3 of said connectors in a 4 km stretch of a nearly 10km span.


Not to mention it's not even a true E-W connector. Airport Trail terminates in the middle of the city into residential area.

Unless we bulldoze Nose Hill and a bunch of communities west of it, we actually can't have another E-W connector through the city aside from Country Hills and McKnight/John Laurie (which also terminates into a residential, but at least on the west edge of the city).

Here, let's visualize all the possible E-W and see which one makes sense.

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Unless we bulldoze Nose Hill and a bunch of communities west of it, we actually can't have another E-W connector through the city aside from Country Hills and McKnight/John Laurie (which also terminates into a residential, but at least on the west edge of the city).


How do we petition to dig this awesome tunnel idea of mine?
Not a perfect E-W connector but would save so much time from driving around the hill

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Nothing says proactive planning like having only one E-W connector route between Stony Trail N and McKnight Blvd.



Don't forget the south end where there isn't a E-W connector between Anderson Road and Stoney (formerly 22x). Or, since Anderson doesn't even go entirely E-W, Glenmore to Stoney.

Approx 6.1km, according to Google Maps.

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Don't forget the south end where there isn't a E-W connector between Anderson Road and Stoney (formerly 22x). Or, since Anderson doesn't even go entirely E-W, Glenmore to Stoney.

Approx 6.1km, according to Google Maps.



Already too many in the south with Southland so close to Anderson, no point in adding another.

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Already too many in the south with Southland so close to Anderson, no point in adding another.



I just want them to take the lights out of any w-e road down south, just one

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Already too many in the south with Southland so close to Anderson, no point in adding another.


Isn't that like saying no point adding Airport Trail because McKnight is so close to 32nd?

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Isn't that like saying no point adding Airport Trail because McKnight is so close to 32nd?



Meh, all the redundant roads blur together when looking at a map.

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I wish Southland terminated at Blackfoot, would ease so much congestion in that area on Deerfoot

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