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whatthe
Has anybody done some searching around for garage packages and pricing? Who is good? Anybody besides Totem?

I talk to Burnco and the cement for a big pad costs $1500, but you talk to the guys to come and crib it up and it costs $6000 for a pad. How the hell does that work?

Any reccomendations of guys who do it all even?

I'm looking for either a big 2 car garage or perhaps 3 car garage.
Kirbs17
The Home Depot does em.

1-800-79-DEPOT
Thaco
Originally posted by whatthe
Has anybody done some searching around for garage packages and pricing? Who is good? Anybody besides Totem?

I talk to Burnco and the cement for a big pad costs $1500, but you talk to the guys to come and crib it up and it costs $6000 for a pad. How the hell does that work?

Any reccomendations of guys who do it all even?

I'm looking for either a big 2 car garage or perhaps 3 car garage.



chances are burnco's price was just to pour it... the other guys probbably included filling with crush, tamping, cribbing, installing rebar, pouring and finishing.

nusneak
Garage packages are easily 2x the price of the material to build a garage and ordering your trusses seperate.
If you do the work for the pad yourself and can find concrete you can get it for around 1500 and pay someone another 200 to finish it. Or around 5k if you dont want to do any work.

framing will be around 3-5 g depending how big and who does it.
whatthe
Yeah burnco was just for the cement, it just seemed steep to go triple the price from there to have the rest of the pad done. Perhaps I underestimate the cost of the wood/rebar etc..

Anybody have some reccomendations of guys that I should get a quote from for garage pad and garage building?

I would like to have the pad poured, garage up with walls, siding, roof, etc. for 12k-15k. After the pad, I don't care how much I have to do myself. I'm just wondering how much of it I can get someone else to build including materials for that budget.
nusneak
Originally posted by whatthe
Yeah burnco was just for the cement, it just seemed steep to go triple the price from there to have the rest of the pad done. Perhaps I underestimate the cost of the wood/rebar etc..

Anybody have some reccomendations of guys that I should get a quote from for garage pad and garage building?

I would like to have the pad poured, garage up with walls, siding, roof, etc. for 12k-15k. After the pad, I don't care how much I have to do myself. I'm just wondering how much of it I can get someone else to build including materials for that budget.


Its not just the material, its time. why does someone want to make you a pad/garage for cheap when there is lots of $$$ out there.

Did they say they could even do it? Most places are stupid busy.

if your looking to get all that done your looking at least 15 and up for pad,framed,siding, and roofed. not including garage door opener. also depending on size 15k might be enough, or it might just be enough to get it framed and roofed.

I know someone that could probably help you out

Thaco
Originally posted by nusneak

Its not just the material, its time. why does someone want to make you a pad/garage for cheap when there is lots of $$$ out there.

Did they say they could even do it? Most places are stupid busy.

if your looking to get all that done your looking at least 15 and up for pad,framed,siding, and roofed. not including garage door opener. also depending on size 15k might be enough, or it might just be enough to get it framed and roofed.

I know someone that could probably help you out



he just said that he is willing to do some of the work if it would keep it under 15k.

some stuff is pretty basic, like plywood and hanging drywall, you could probably save a few bucks by ding that stuff yourself.

Tyler883
http://www.carshacks.com/

Its a Calgary company that specializes in residential garages. I don't know if their prices are high or low. Why don't you call them and find out?
Nufy
Good Luck getting plywood in a garage here in Calgary.

Too Expensive.

You will get that fibre board stuff like all the new houses do.

Drywall usually isn't included in the garage package either.

The Basis setup included door,shingle,siding and one/two windows depending on the size.

I believe eaves are an add on.

I belioeve car-shacks is very expensive. But check em out just for the comparison to doing it yourself.
syeve
Originally posted by Tyler883
http://www.carshacks.com/

Its a Calgary company that specializes in residential garages. I don't know if their prices are high or low. Why don't you call them and find out?



They are good, I would say they are on the upper end of garage build quality and price.

EnRich
I deal with this stuff every day. Your cheapest garage package price is available at TOTEM or STAR BUILDING MATERIALS

I'll give you my contacts, they'll get anyone on here a good price...

TOTEM - Barry Potter (403) 247-5599
STAR - Kurt Westergard (403) 290-3345

Make sure you tell them Richard from CALCANA sent ya before they tranfer you. I can get you a REALLY good deal on conreate too ... but only call me if your serious or ready... cause I gotta pull some strings. 777-0808

If you like I can get that garage of yours heated aswell with the most effective and efficient heater in the world... check www.calcana.com

Richard Celovsky
Marketing & Sales Coordinator
Calcana Industries.
www.calcana.com
celovskyr@calcana.com
1(800)778-6729
whatthe
Thanks for the helpful reply. I am serious and I can get it rolling at any time. I will try both places to get some pricing on the package, and go from there. I have worked in the trades before however nothing to do with cement. I will probably end up even doing hte structure with a friend to save some money. I wanted to talk to someone about what things I should or should not build into the pad (anybody have reccomendations here? I phoned some places and realized how green I am in this area because I had no clue what they were asking if I wanted included). Unfortunately with the money being spent out there, it is hard to find a place that wants to answer a question before taking your money right now.

If you can save me money on other items to get heat in the garage, I am definetely open ears. I will use the garage mostly for projects vs. having a place to park a car that nothing fun happens to. Some heat to keep the projects going in the winter would be good. I wouldn't mind talking about operating cost difference between the propane and natural gas setup. I would have to run a seperate service for the gas line out back, and I'm not sure if the initial cost would be worth it. I am just off Glenmore east of Calgary in Langdon btw so we are under Rockyview code guidelines. Not sure how they differ from Calgary.
nusneak
Originally posted by EnRich
I deal with this stuff every day. Your cheapest garage package price is available at TOTEM or STAR BUILDING MATERIALS

I'll give you my contacts, they'll get anyone on here a good price...

TOTEM - Barry Potter (403) 247-5599
STAR - Kurt Westergard (403) 290-3345

Make sure you tell them Richard from CALCANA sent ya before they tranfer you. I can get you a REALLY good deal on conreate too ... but only call me if your serious or ready... cause I gotta pull some strings. 777-0808

If you like I can get that garage of yours heated aswell with the most effective and efficient heater in the world... check www.calcana.com

Richard Celovsky
Marketing & Sales Coordinator
Calcana Industries.
www.calcana.com
celovskyr@calcana.com
1(800)778-6729


Like I mentioned above garage packages are around 5 grand and if you buy the materials yourself it wont even be 2 grand.

My dad just build a complete 24x26 garage w/ the best concrete you can get/rebar, siding, roofed, 3 skylights, 6 roof vents, 3 of the best pella windows avail all for around 5k. He got all the drywall to do the inside of his garage for 100% free for brand new 12ft lengths :) He also gots one of the best garage door openers you can get ($500) and an almost commercial door (commerial are really expensive)

I want to see anyone try and match that, your pad should be close to 5k if you dont do the work yourself.
and if you order a package the package alone to build the garage and put the roof on will be around 5k, not including skylights or power, or drywall or siding or garage door.

Do 15 minutes of research and find out what you get in a garage package, then try getting a price list for everything seperate. Order your wood for the walls/headers, and you order your trusses somewhere else, even on the custom trusses my dad got they were under $50/truss!

BTW: I also do heating for a living and would not really recommend an IR heater, sure they work good and make lots of heat, but it is very directed (under the shield mostly) and they often require service. I'm going to install a unit heater in the far upper corner of my dads garage.
And a gas line costs around $1800 to run about 25-30 feet unless your doing it yourself.

whatthe
Given that it will be my first time building a garage, I could use the directions that come with the kit. :) If you have a BOM from your dads garage (minus skylights and such), definetely pm or post. I think a friend of mine has a program at his work that will automatically generate a BOM for these kind of things as well. Hmmm.... Unfortunately I know zero about cribbing and other related issues, and these things are always more expensive when doing it yourself the first time. I can build myself a turbo kit from a bunch of piping, grab used injectors, turbo, bov, intercooler, and tune the final setup with a wideband and dyno if neccessary, etc. etc. for a fraction of the price that someone who is doing it the first time will be able to. But, it will still take me time. I don't mind being paid for my time, and I don't mind paying others for their time.

I have pricing from a place already for a 26x30, 9 foot instead of 8, including siding, drywall, roof, garage door and opener, etc. etc.. I wasn't terribly motivated to start sourcing everything myself, but if the cost difference is that severe, it is something I will look at. I'm still screwed in the cement dept.

I don't mind directed heating, if it was up to me and not the wife, I would probably only heat areas with pipes and a few rooms in our house that we actually use during the winter. My bro-in-law is a journyeman of sorts with this stuff, I will see if he has some ideas as well.
Tyler883
Two things I think you should consider:

1) go tall, my 10 foot walls added maybe $400 to the totem pkg that I bought

2)go heavier on the sheeting, everyone will tell you that you only need 3/8" OSB(and they aren't BSing you) but 7/16 sheeting was only 20 cents per sheet more - not a big cost item on 20-40 sheets of OSB.
nusneak
Originally posted by Tyler883
Two things I think you should consider:

1) go tall, my 10 foot walls added maybe $400 to the totem pkg that I bought...


Do take into consideration how high you are allowed to go, my dad got custom trusses to match the vaulted ceiling in the house to go higher on the walls. I think total height allowable is 15 ft, iirc.

Its easy to figure out what you need, however I am not a framer. Probably anyone with any experience can tell you what you need. 2x4 walls probably, 16" on center so you figure out how big you are going, then you need headers and stuff.

Seriously my dad has always bought garage packages for all the garages he has ever built, and once he priced it out himself he could not believe it.

It's not like its a secret what you need, you can probably even goto totem and get a 'quote' on a garage package or whatever then order the lumber from totem or home depot and get your trusses from wherever has them in stock at a good price or wherever can build them quick at a good price if you are going custom.

I'll ask my dad for a break down of pricing and final price it cost him to complete everything when he gets home.

Since you know someone in heating that gas line should be relativly cheap, the 1 meter deep trench will be the biggest part, my brother got his installed for free a total of like 45ft of that very expensive flexible gas line :P

EnRich
Calcana's IR heaters heat the entire garage man... I'm talking melting the snow and ice off your cars, and keeping your floors warm and dry at the same time. 6 - 12 min your ENTIRE garage is warm, we're not just talking a section... heres the thing... My IR heater is about 40 - 50% more efficient then your forced air setup. If your not planning in-floor heat, go IR man. check out our website

www.calcana.com

I'll even give you a tour of the factory if you want to see just how effective these things can be, in an open and closed environment.
whatthe
Yeah, I think 15ft is the height limit in langdon as well. Let me know what your dad says for sure.

My brother-in-law says Calcana is good and he has hooked up a lot of them. In floor heating would be nice, but it goes back to cost.
Tyler883
For a rubberstamped garage permit, the limits are something like 15 feet at the ridge of the roof,

and the bottom of the eaves must 10 feet of less, that is why most people build a 9'10" wall like totem recommends, because a 9'10" wall garantees that you are under the 10' mark with your eaves.


Of course, you can always build higher but it would require a developers permit instead of a typical garage permit. Sorry, I don't know anything about developers permits, but if you go to the city of calgary website, you can find a pdf file on garages.
nusneak
Originally posted by EnRich
Calcana's IR heaters heat the entire garage man... I'm talking melting the snow and ice off your cars, and keeping your floors warm and dry at the same time. 6 - 12 min your ENTIRE garage is warm, we're not just talking a section... heres the thing... My IR heater is about 40 - 50% more efficient then your forced air setup. If your not planning in-floor heat, go IR man. check out our website

www.calcana.com

I'll even give you a tour of the factory if you want to see just how effective these things can be, in an open and closed environment.


I've probably installed more of those damn things then you can shake a stick at. I know exactly what they are and how they work. I've only seen one in a residental garage and it did not do the best job heating the garage when I was in there. That and it was v.expensive, and in my experience I've never seen an IR heater make heat like your talking about.
Where ever the shield is pointed will have radiating heat coming down from above it, if in fact your IR's do work that well I dont know wth my buddy got installed from arpis because that sure seems like every other IR I have installed.

EnRich
Originally posted by nusneak

I've probably installed more of those damn things then you can shake a stick at. I know exactly what they are and how they work. I've only seen one in a residental garage and it did not do the best job heating the garage when I was in there. That and it was v.expensive, and in my experience I've never seen an IR heater make heat like your talking about.
Where ever the shield is pointed will have radiating heat coming down from above it, if in fact your IR's do work that well I dont know wth my buddy got installed from arpis because that sure seems like every other IR I have installed.



You install em? who do you work for? You really sound like you dont like em... wanna IM me your phone number, I got an opportunity for you.

Black Dragon
think you can hook me up for concrete in my back yard? its already framed and rebar all i need is pour and finish
whatthe
Little bit of an update...

I originally had a quote from Totem before I started this thread so I didn't talk to your guy at Totem. Unfortunately the guy that I talked to at the desk at Totem was the biggest weiner in town (other quote guy was alright) and their price was well higher than everywhere else, so that kind of turned me off from them.

Star building materials is $5g and they were friendly for basic package without siding if I recall. They were pretty busy and I only had a quick verbal.

I talked to one Rona and they didn't know much, but they were ok. I went to the one on Soutland and happened to get the manager who was very helpful. I was able to check their garage estimator which builds the 3d garage instantly while I was there. So far I am most impressed with the layout and details with their package, and their price is on par with Star.... plus Rona gives airmiles. It's funny considering Rona bought out Totem, but obviously they are not completely in-sync yet as they clearly don't use the same program even.

For the pad, there is a ridiculous $10,000 price difference depending on who you call. I'm still waiting for a friend of a friend to come down to give a quote, but I don't want to wait too much longer. I need the pad poured soon!
whatthe
More of an update.

I don't know how you can find cheap labour or parts in Calgary anymore, short of getting free bits and pieces from people you know.

I ended up going with 9 foot walls, 24'x29'. The cost from Rona was a little over $5000 for door, door opener, trusses/header/basically all the wood, nails, etc. not including some of the siding, electrical, or drywall. The guy I originally talked to at Rona was good, but he dissappeared and it was more boneheads after that. They missed a truss and you had to build you own gable ends. From another friend I talkted to, Totem supplies prebuilt gable ends. So you may want to ask around when you are doing this.

We ended up taking the door and the door opener back. We wanted a door with a design and a different design door opener (belt or similar). Creative door had the higher quality 'fancy' door for the best price. I believe it was Wayne Dalton and around $1600 instead of the $850ish for your basic door... although there was one place that sold some garaga (or whatever the cheaper knockoff is) for a couple hundred cheaper. We didn't like the look of that enough to not want to spend the extra money.

We used Frandome developments for the pad and added 6" stub walls (including fill, grading, smooth finish). The stub walls seemed to add $1500-$3000+ depending who you called. The cost of the pad sucked, around $6500 and it was cheaper than about 8 other places that we talked to. The only problem I had, and it was fiarly major is that they sloped the pad towards the front for drainage (good), but the boneheads also sloped the stub walls which meant some creativity to level the walls (bad). My reccomendation here is to get the amount of slope in writing, and mention level stub walls in writing as well. Unfortunately, the building code does not mention anything about a building not being plumb, so they are not really entitled to fix it (alhtough I had fun). Your best bet may be to book a company like Inland or Burnco a year in advance as the concrete itself is cheap.

For siding, just buying the siding from any of the siding companies should save you a little bit of money. They are all close to the same price. If you don't want to install yourself, some guys will charge you about a $1/foot on the side (+/-). Actual companies are wayyyy higher.

Roofing pieces were included and should be easy enough for someone to install.

Tip - Air nailers are a wonderful thing.

I still have more to finish and I have to get heat/electrical out to the garage. I'll be doing all of that myself anyway (brotherinlaw is HVAC, I used to do electrical). Electrical pieces in the garage are not very expensive (buy the bulk items). But the larger diameter cable for a higher amp service will probably cost just as much or more than all of the little pieces.

I hope this helps someone get an idea of what prices in Calgary seem to be.



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