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2K255HP
My friend got into an accident in a parking lot. Do we have a no-fault law in parking lots in Calgary?

She was backing up to correct her parking when the car behind her decided she was parked and pulled behind her with her bumper hitting the guys front right fender.
l/l/rX
im pretty sure its anything goes in a parking lot. there arent actual set rules for parking lot accidents. and who qualifies who was at fault.

its just something you have to figure out between the 2.
CivicTunr
actually, it was posted in another accident thread, that anytime your in reverse your at fault.
lilmira
There is no such thing as no-fault rule in any parking lot. Otherwise anyone can just drive a shitty car in there and start a demolition derby without responsibility to any damage.

Parking lot is mostly uncontrolled so it's up to everyone to pay attention to avoid accident. That's why it's usually difficult to determine who's at fault without witness and it ends up with both parties being liable.

Being in reverse doesn't necessarily put you at fault neither. Imagine if you are in reverse and some numbnut decides to ram you at full speed for no apparent reason, who do you think is liable?

It does sound like she is liable from your description. She could have avoided the collision by stopping had she been paying attention. I can't imagine if she was backing up so fast that she couldn't stop the car in time. Did she not notice the other car until she hit it?
jsn
Something similar happened to me. I was driving through a parking lot when someone backed up into my car and put a massive dent on the drivers side door. I went to the police and they told me that if we were to take it to the insurance, (almost all of the cases they have seen) it would be split 50/50. Even though it was obviously his fault because he backed up into the side of my car, the police said that they almost always split it 50/50 because as said before, parking lots are mostly uncontrolled. I ended up footing the bill to repair my car, and did not claim insurance as I didn't want my insurance to go up for such a minor iccident. The guy who backed into my car probably knew it was his fault as I never recieved a phone call from him.
483hp
Insurance companies usually abide by the rule: reverse = 100% at fault unless there is something unusual about the situation
Dooms_Bane
reverse usually = your fault

BUT many of my friends have been reversed into and anything done in a parking lot is 50/50

and always will be 50/50
TomcoPDR
Originally posted by lilmira
There is no such thing as no-fault rule in any parking lot. Otherwise anyone can just drive a shitty car in there and start a demolition derby without responsibility to any damage.

Parking lot is mostly uncontrolled so it's up to everyone to pay attention to avoid accident. That's why it's usually difficult to determine who's at fault without witness and it ends up with both parties being liable.

Being in reverse doesn't necessarily put you at fault neither. Imagine if you are in reverse and some numbnut decides to ram you at full speed for no apparent reason, who do you think is liable?

It does sound like she is liable from your description. She could have avoided the collision by stopping had she been paying attention. I can't imagine if she was backing up so fast that she couldn't stop the car in time. Did she not notice the other car until she hit it?



:werd:

This post sums it up :thumbsup:

Should be the person backing up to wait for the traffic to pass, of course there are cases where the street/ parking lot is way too busy and you just have to get your vehicle on the road.

But what annoys me more is people backing up knowing full well there's a vehicle coming within 5-6 metres, and they're backing up for the sake of being selfish and knowing they're cutting off traffic; and then they take 15 minutes in reverse to turn on their cell phone, put in the DVD for their kids in the back, brush their hair, etc... etc...

rage2
Parking lot accidents are usually 50/50, unless you can convince the other guy he/she was wrong and have them sign it.
bosanel
IF the person is right behind you and you back into him i think its your fault.

IF the person is out of the way and starts driving the person driving would be faulty cuz he has more clear view.

IMO

Anel
Arthur Dent
If you are backing out of a spot - its ALWAYS your fault. A couple years back my wife was reversing out a spot when a guy in a beat up Tempo was doing well over 60km/h in a frigging parking lot hit the back of her. Even though there was huge skid marks from him attempting to slow down it was deemed her fault :banghead:
asuth077
Originally posted by Arthur Dent
If you are backing out of a spot - its ALWAYS your fault. A couple years back my wife was reversing out a spot when a guy in a beat up Tempo was doing well over 60km/h in a frigging parking lot hit the back of her. Even though there was huge skid marks from him attempting to slow down it was deemed her fault :banghead:



How does that prove its ALWAYS the reversers fault?

This thread has too many conflicting statements. At this point I would just tell the guy you don't think its 100% your fault and then he will have to call his insurance and you'll see.

*edit* If you know your insurance agent just call and ask them. Maybe I just have a good relationship with mine, but when something similar happened I just called and "hypothetically" asked and she didn't seem to really care that I was in an accident, just whether I claimed it or not would affect rates.

SlowLude
Different cities usually have different rules. That being said, I completely smashed this ladies side door when reversing out of a parking space at Pacific Mall in Toronto. However, the insurance agent said that since the lot was not the cities' property, it was 50/50. Not sure how it would apply in Calgary. The insurance companies know what to do.
SCHIDER23
Yep always 50/50 I know cause I backed into someone by mistake in the parking lot at chinook, we decided not to go through insurance, but once the bill came I said fuck it and decided to go thru isurance instead because the guy was trying to rip me off, insurance agent said it was 50/50 unless there was proof of who was at fault.
Tik-Tok
Good grief, how many times must this argument be made on the forum?

PARKING LOTS ARE NOT ALWAYS 50/50!

THE ONE BACKING OUT IS NOT ALWAYS 100%


Each situation is different, and each insurance company treats it differently, and each insurance company adjuster (or whatever you call them) treats it differently. Saying it's always definitely one persons fault is a ridiculous notion.
tentacles
One thing I haven't considered until now: What does "50/50" mean? Does that mean I just go fix my car and he goes and fix his, or we total up both our damages and then split both bills 50/50? I don't think if someone hits me in the parking lot in his Enzo I have to pay for half his damage as well, right?
tylere
I would say in this situation it would be 50/50, a friend had this exact same situation happen and it was deemed 50/50 since there were no witnesses to prove otherwise.

When your friend goes to get it fixed I would highly recommend staying AWAY from GT Carstar on 9th Ave.......
Tik-Tok
Originally posted by tentacles
One thing I haven't considered until now: What does "50/50" mean?



50/50 means your insurance pays for his damages, his insurance pay for your damages, and both your premiums go up (depending on your insurance company).

If your not going through the insurance company, you typically pay for his damages, and he pays for yours, so if you hit an Enzo... i'd go through insurance.

SlowLude
Not in my case. My insurance company paid for my damage and her paid for her's. And as stated by you, depends on the claim amount and your insurance company's policy whether or not your premiums will increase.

Originally posted by Tik-Tok

50/50 means your insurance pays for his damages, his insurance pay for your damages, and both your premiums go up (depending on your insurance company).

FiveFreshFish
This is why I always try to:

1. Back into a spot so I can drive out.

2. Drive through and park whenever possible so I can drive out.

3. Park far away so there are fewer cars in the area, regardless of what I'm driving.
Hemi RT
50/50 means both partis are equally responsible, you or your insurance pays to fix yours and he/his insurance pays to fix his. The insurance companies do not pay to fix the other parties in a 50/50 case.
403Gemini
Originally posted by l/l/rX
im pretty sure its anything goes in a parking lot. there arent actual set rules for parking lot accidents. and who qualifies who was at fault.

its just something you have to figure out between the 2.



This couldnt be further from the truth.

Here:

IBC, Section III
Notes to rule 8
(d) Any vehicle exiting from or starting from a parked position is 100% at fault

Yes your girlfriend is at fault, the backing out vehicle is NORMALLY 100% at fault, only time it is necessarily deemed 50/50 is if both vehicles are backing out of opposite parking stalls and collide.

Don't believe all these other goomba's throwing in their opinions, half of them are false ;)

edit: to clear it up, any vehicle in the thoroughfare has the right of way over vehicles in parking stalls

jsn
Originally posted by 403Gemini


This couldnt be further from the truth.

Here:

IBC, Section III
Notes to rule 8
(d) Any vehicle exiting from or starting from a parked position is 100% at fault

Yes your girlfriend is at fault, the backing out vehicle is NORMALLY 100% at fault, only time it is necessarily deemed 50/50 is if both vehicles are backing out of opposite parking stalls and collide.

Don't believe all these other goomba's throwing in their opinions, half of them are false ;)

edit: to clear it up, any vehicle in the thoroughfare has the right of way over vehicles in parking stalls



a car backed into the side of my car when i was driving by and i brought the case to the police... they told me that Pretty much ALL the cases they've seen it goes 50/50 unless they can prove without a doubt that its the other persons fault. i.e., with surveillance cameras, which most parking lots don't have. Unless they were lying to me.. which i highly doubt, the 100% percent rule doesn't apply.

403Gemini
Originally posted by jsn


a car backed into the side of my car when i was driving by and i brought the case to the police... they told me that Pretty much ALL the cases they've seen it goes 50/50 unless they can prove without a doubt that its the other persons fault. i.e., with surveillance cameras, which most parking lots don't have. Unless they were lying to me.. which i highly doubt, the 100% percent rule doesn't apply.



That's fantastic, police don't determine liability between insurance companies though :rolleyes:

And for the last time

"Parking lot = almost instant 50/50" IS A FUCKING LIE

Mr_ET
the way I see this is if your friend backs into a car it's her fault. If the other driver hits the side of her car while she is backing up it's his fault but will be seen as a 50/50.

The only time she would not pay anything is if she was parked and someone hit her or if the other driver said they were at fault in a police report.
403Gemini
Originally posted by Mr_ET
the way I see this is if your friend backs into a car it's her fault. If the other driver hits the side of her car while she is backing up it's his fault but will be seen as a 50/50.

The only time she would not pay anything is if she was parked and someone hit her or if the other driver said they were at fault in a police report.



Ugh seriously what part arent you guys understanding, its not the way you 'see it' - the way IT IS - the vehicle leaving a parking stall MUST yield to any vehicle in the main thoroughway.

Ugh here:

Notes to rule 8
(a) Any vehicle travelling on a portion of a public parking lot designated by the property owners or by its configuration as a "thoroughfare" shall have a right of way over vehicles entering it from another portion of the parking lot that is not so designated

What that means in layman's terms:

Person in thoroughfare > Person in parking stall. It doesnt matter if the cars entire ass end is sticking out of the parking stall, it is because that vehicle is leaving the stall going into the thoroughfare its considering obstructing the flow of traffic, thus at fault. You guys can argue this all day with me if you would like :D but it's how the IBC works, and 98% of insurance companies abide by it.

gram
You are responsible for your own car in a parking lot, any damage occurs it's you paying for your car. Just like a door dent anything like that, be careful in a parking lot as there are no set rules.
jay42w8
that is such fucking bullshit? some dumb bitch like OP's gf....don't take that personally...jsut her driving is dumb.....backs into you and its 50/50...for fuck's sake....I get freaked out every time I drive by some fucking hillbilly with Sask. plates backing out...I swear one day theyre gonna hit me
jsn
Originally posted by 403Gemini


That's fantastic, police don't determine liability between insurance companies though :rolleyes:

And for the last time

"Parking lot = almost instant 50/50" IS A FUCKING LIE



If you read my post, I didn't say that they determined liability. I said that all the cases THEY HAVE SEEN, the insurance decided to split it 50 / 50. No matter who backed into who. They also told me the insurance companies reason behind this which is because parking lots are largely uncontrolled and its hard to get evidence (although i thought when theres a huge dent in the side of my door from the guy backing up into it, was evidence enough:thumbsdow ) . I also didn't say i liked it as the guy backed into my car, but thats the way the insurance companies split it. I'm not saying whether its right or wrong, just telling you my experience and what happened with the insurance companies... so don't get your panties in a bunch :drama:

403Gemini
Originally posted by jsn


If you read my post, I didn't say that they determined liability. I said that all the cases THEY HAVE SEEN, the insurance decided to split it 50 / 50. No matter who backed into who. They also told me the insurance companies reason behind this which is because parking lots are largely uncontrolled and its hard to get evidence (although i thought when theres a huge dent in the side of my door from the guy backing up into it, was evidence enough:thumbsdow ) . I also didn't say i liked it as the guy backed into my car, but thats the way the insurance companies split it. I'm not saying whether its right or wrong, just telling you my experience and what happened with the insurance companies... so don't get your panties in a bunch :drama:



Your adjuster (assuming you were the vehicle in the thoroughfare) is a spineless idiot then and just didnt want to fight with the other insurance companies adjuster.

in the OP's case, if i was the other company (not his gf) there is no way i would accept liability , shes 100% at fault, no doubt about it

and sorry for getting my panties in a knot ;) haha i just hate hearing "facts" which are pulled out of a persons ass... like this:

Originally posted by gram
You are responsible for your own car in a parking lot, any damage occurs it's you paying for your car. Just like a door dent anything like that, be careful in a parking lot as there are no set rules.



dont listen to idiots like this

if somebody opens their door and it hits your car and you catch them - you can go after them - the police can line up the cars and tell the damage using alignment and paint comparissons to assist with this, that way people dont go about pointing the finger at every car that is next to them and finding a dent in their door.

Also jay42 i wouldnt worry too much about this red neck's from Sask backing out of a parking stall and hitting your car, its essentially the "law of the land" so if a province such as Ontario is no fault, but they get into an accident in alberta, they have to abide by our rules and their insurance company pays for it.

Masked Bandit
403Gemini....I feel your pain. These threads always drive me nuts with the amount of misinformation that is out there.

For everyone else....

1) The police have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH DETERMINING LIABILITY IN AN ACCIDENT. To take that a step further it has been my experience (eight years as an insurance broker) that cops don't know shit about accident liability. The general public knows even less.

2) 403Gemini has been bang on with every post regarding accident liability. In this thread and in every other thread I've read. He does this shit for a living people.

3) To the OP, sorry buddy, your girl is at-fault. The person leaving the parked position is in the wrong and that's all there is to it. The only time it will fall 50/50 is if the other person is leaving another parking stall (usually across the row).


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403Gemini
Originally posted by Masked Bandit
403Gemini....I feel your pain. These threads always drive me nuts with the amount of misinformation that is out there.

For everyone else....

1) The police have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH DETERMINING LIABILITY IN AN ACCIDENT. To take that a step further it has been my experience (eight years as an insurance broker) that cops don't know shit about accident liability. The general public knows even less.

2) 403Gemini has been bang on with every post regarding accident liability. In this thread and in every other thread I've read. He does this shit for a living people.

3) To the OP, sorry buddy, your girl is at-fault. The person leaving the parked position is in the wrong and that's all there is to it. The only time it will fall 50/50 is if the other person is leaving another parking stall (usually across the row).


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