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ex1z7
Alright, so, I'll just ask..

A friend of mine is asking me to take pictures of her sans-clothing.

For a website of punky-pin ups..

I'm not the best with portraits, or people.. Or anything breathing, pretty much.. I'm just interested in some tips and tricks I could use to bring along with me.. Specific camera settings that might help, certain things that might generically work.. y'know..

I'm picking up a flash in a few days, so I can bounce and such that, till then I'm thinking of just diffusing my on-body flash with tissue paper or something like a plastic lid..

Basically what I'm looking for is just some good tips and tricks to make the process a little easier. Mostly this is going to be done in outside/un insulated areas using natural light and no electricity.. if it helps any ;).

Thanks !
Jlude
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Bukka
Dump the diffused onboard flash idea, and get a 5-in-1 reflector (lol I just told someone this earlier today) if you're going to be shooting in natural light.
The 5-in-1 will provide you with; matte white, gold, soft gold, silver, and translucent reflectors.
This way you'll have more controll over what areas are getting fill light, and the quality of that fill light.

The gold reflectors can be used to warm the fill light, one for harsh light and the other for softened light.
The silver for bouncing back harsher light if needed..
and the matte white for bouncing back a nice soft fill light.

Then again this could stop you from getting a flash.

Though working with a reflector could probably leave you with more creative lighting styles then using bounce flash if you're going to be shooting people.
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sputnik
Go to Vistek and buy both Gary Fong Lightsphere diffusers (the clear and frosted one).

http://store.garyfonginc.com/licl.html

All of the wedding photographers these days seem to use them on their camera mounted flashes. If you really want to do a good job I would get a ring flash. However that will be considerably more expensive and I am guessing you aren't getting paid (at least in cash) for this shoot.
BigBadBear
For the model herself, she'll need loose baggy clothing like sweats or even a long trench coat so she can go without underwear and socks for a few hours before the shoot.
That gives the marks from bra straps etc time to fade.
Also have a couple of thermos' of coffee or tea maybe with a little Kahlua or GM to take the chill off. After all it's cold and you're wearing clothes and she ain't!
If she wears make up make sure it's all on beforehand, nothing like trying to do it when your hands are shaking.
Good luck with the shoot, if everybody stays respectful and professional it can be ton's of fun.
Melinda
I have a Gary Fong (as sputnik mentioned in his post) and they're nice to diffuse the light, acts as a great fill flash for outdoors. I know you might have to order one given your location, but it is worth it. And I know you mentioned using a bounce flash, but in the outdoors, it's not really possible. Nothing to bounce the light off of! As for camera settings, there is really no default setting to just plug in and go with. Depending on what you're trying to achieve, there could be a pretty broad range of possibilities.

As for your model, if it is going to be cold on the day of the shoot, be prepared to fight with red skin, goosebumps, unnatural expressions on her face (this is something she will really need to focus on as her body will be telling her it's cold and she will have to fight to convince herself otherwise so it won't show up in photos.)

And figure out EXACTLY what she's looking for and research the hell out of that area of photography. Studio portraits have very different look and feel to boudiors and even more so than specialty boudoirs like pin ups. There are different poses and moods and lighting that each genre screams for. I'd have her send you a few photos of what she's looking for and then you take an extra few hours to keep looking at photos similar to it to get a feel for poses and lighting and all the little technichal things people often dont look at when seeing one of those photos but are very crucial to the outcome of the photo.

Above all else, beg the patience of your model (might be hard if it's a cold day) but you will be slow to get going. No matter how much you prepare in advance, without a little experience, you'll probably need to play around a bit before you find something comfortable. Playing with settings, poses, lighting, ect ect ect. It all takes some time and some practice. I'd recommend a dry run with her indoors to get your feel for things before taking her out to the cold outdoors.

I know I've probably terrified you but that wasn't my intention at all. Truth be told, I love doing this type of thing. Specialty shoots are my favorite because the sky is the limit for creativity, and it's a lot of fun to work one on one with someone who isn't a nervous bride restrained by time limits. I think with a little research and the right model, you could have a great time with these. Good luck! :)
D'z Nutz
Lots of good advice here.

A couple more to add...

Has she modeled before? How much experience does she have prior to this shoot? If she's relatively new at this, it may be a smart idea to do a couple shoots with her before the big one, preferably clothed or even implied nude (usually clothed or near nude, but the composition and angles suggests that she's nude).

Doing a couple test shoots before hand serves a few purposes. First off, it gives you a chance to learn a bit about lighting. Flash photography is a lot more than just blasting light into people's faces and can get pretty complicated sometimes. Secondly, it gives both of you a chance to gauge each other's capabilities. Results won't look too great if a) the photographer can't give direction and b) the model can't take directions. Photographing people is more than just a model standing around looking pretty and the photographer snapping away. Figure out what each of your strengths and weaknesses are. The shoots will also give each other a chance to get comfortable with each other in this type of working environment, even if you guys are already friends.

Also the model's gotta be comfortable for the shoot or else it will show up in the photos. You may even want to suggest she bring someone along to keep her company for the shoot, as long as they are not disruptive (ie: no jealous boyfriends or giggly girlfriends).
ex1z7
I expected a couple of erased posts haha...

Thanks for the advice guys - not much at all will be shot outside in the bitter snow, more than likely inside an old building with no windows etc.. She's going for a really grungy look to the location..

In terms of modeling experience, she doesn't have pro-experience, but she's very comfortable with her camera / infront of it with her girlfriend.. She knows I'm inexperienced with people, but I can give a little direction for fine tuning things, but ultimately she knows what she's comfortable with, and will follow what she feels is right, with me just guiding the fine-movement..

And bouncing will only be done inside :)

And the diffusers.. I can pick something similar up from someone in town here I'm sure - I'll look around..


Any tips on trying to hide scars ? Something to make it easier to photoshop later on, as she wants a few things masked..

This is going to be interesting.. that's for sure.. :clap:
G-ZUS
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sputnik
To be brutally honest.

If she is used to modeling professionally she probably won't be too happy with the results using a camera mounted flash instead a set of proper strobes.
sputnik
I tend to be more into the traditional hot rodder world when it comes to cars and the pinup look is really popular there.

Check out what some of the pros are doing (like Melinda said) and see what she thinks about it.












Another site to check out would probably be anything related to the Suicide Girls. They tend to do the punk/burlesque/nude look.
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BerserkerCatSplat
Originally posted by sputnik
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Excellent lighting in that shot.

I'll stress that for indoor nudes/implied nudes, controlled lighting is your best friend. Some of the best nude shots I've seen use lighting to accent curves and hair. You don't need anything fancy, a few desklamps can suffice if you're on a tight budget. It's all about how you use the light that matters.

ex1z7
Originally posted by sputnik
Another site to check out would probably be anything related to the Suicide Girls. They tend to do the punk/burlesque/nude look.



That's where she's headed.. it's why she needs the pictures done..

So far this entire situation seems to be fucking my relationship up a little more than I would have hoped... I might have looooottsss of time to practice when I'm single.. :(


.. And how do you use strobes exactly ? I was thinking of just mounting the flash on a tripod and use it at a different angle. .

D'z Nutz
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Wow, I can't believe how dense our members can be sometimes. Next stupid remark will result in a ban.

D'z Nutz
Originally posted by ex1z7
.. And how do you use strobes exactly ? I was thinking of just mounting the flash on a tripod and use it at a different angle. .



I don't think there's a simple "one setup does all". What you'll have to do is find a couple samples you like and analyze how it can be done. Trev brings up another good point. If you're on a budget, you can also head down to somewhere like Canadian Tire/Rona/Home Depot and look for halogen lighting for cheap. I've seen some really cool stuff done with like $100 worth of garage and house lighting.

DRKM
Hey. I have played around with this sorta thing in the past as well. This is one I like. But i would like to take it again in the back of an old caddilac. You know the one white leather bench seats.[IMG]<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/21016979@N04/2045829426/" title="20070706_0099 by drkm2, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2236/2045829426_0b55f9d1a4_b.jpg" width="1024" height="683" alt="20070706_0099" /></a>[/IMG]
l/l/rX
Originally posted by DRKM
Hey. I have played around with this sorta thing in the past as well. This is one I like. But i would like to take it again in the back of an old caddilac. You know the one white leather bench seats.[IMG]&lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/210169...45829426/" title="20070706_0099 by drkm2, on Flickr"&gt;&lt;img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2236...1a4_b.jpg" width="1024" height="683" alt="20070706_0099" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;[/IMG]



lol wtf are you doing with the encoding here?!

anyways im not an expert with this here, but uuuh i think the composition of this photo sucks. the only thing that attracts me to this picture is her body.

edit: nvm...i see you wanna take her and put her in the back of a cadillac with white leather something rather.


DRKM
Originally posted by l/l/rX
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lol wtf are you doing with the encoding here?!

anyways im not an expert with this here, but uuuh i think the composition of this photo sucks. the only thing that attracts me to this picture is her body.

edit: nvm...i see you wanna take her and put her in the back of a cadillac with

white leather something rather.
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I am not sure what I was trying to encode there....

Anyway, my friend is pretty twisted and wanted a "date rapish" kinda look. I wanted it to look aluring but with a what the fuck to it.

I would like to retake this same shot in the back of an old car iwh those big leather bucket seats.

I dont like the compostion to much either but it got the point across that we were trying I think.

l/l/rX
Originally posted by DRKM


I am not sure what I was trying to encode there....

Anyway, my friend is pretty twisted and wanted a "date rapish" kinda look. I wanted it to look aluring but with a what the fuck to it.

I would like to retake this same shot in the back of an old car iwh those big leather bucket seats.

I dont like the compostion to much either but it got the point across that we were trying I think.



huh...an interesting idea if you wanted it to look like a date rapish scene would possibly throw in a male hand say...right under the breast? or near the pelvic/ crotch area?

actually...i think that would more look like voluntary foreplay than rape. haha

Melinda
Originally posted by urban.one
Some good pointers in this thread.

Anyone recommend a photographer in Calgary for this type of shoot?

(Serious responses only. PM me if you wish).


Which kind specifically were you thinking of? There have been a few brought up in this thread

Melinda
I've done some, pm me if you're interested
ex1z7
I've come across some done by Melinda, and through talking to her I'd be comfortable going to her - especially after seeing the outcome..

I've decided against going this path - as things got extremely rocky with my relationship when the idea was put fourth.. I will however try the techniques and tips/tricks brought up here with my girlfriend instead of with someone else .. And if there are some she feels comfortable being seen, I'll put them up.

Thanks everyone who offered good input, and thanks to the numerous deleted posts by warned posters who gave me a chuckle.
RT16V
Originally posted by urban.one
Boudoir/specialty boudoir.

model would have no experience and photos would be for personal use.



Top notch local photog for this stuff:

www.carminafoto.com

blam
you may want to bring a small heater (like those parabolic dish ones?). its damn cold outside like the others said, you'll be fighting with the bumps of goose and skin color changes.

if you're outside, I don't think lighting will be a big deal, but as mentioned I think reflectors would be a really good idea. I'm thinking of getting some myself.

also try checking out the POTN glamour/nudes section if you're a member there (www.photography-on-the.net) they can give you tonnes of tips, ideas and examples. I'm sure the nikonian equivalent website has a similar section as well
qrankz
Lighting is going to be your best friend indoors.

For me to shoot something like that, I have wireless flash and triggers, a pair of umbrellas on stands.

If you don't have time to pick anything up, use the gary fong lightsphere and get both cloudy and clear setups. When you are shooting outdoors, have the flash pointed straight up with the sphere..it should diffuse the light even more.

Watch Fong's dvds. then goto sites like fredmiranda or POTN and also read strobist blogs. Do as much reading as you can on glamour/fashion photography since the concepts are the same on lighting.
And go out and practice as much as you can with your setup so you know your equipment well enough to know their capabilities.

you can get wireless triggers from ebay from Gadget Infinity for around 20 bux USD and get a pair of umbrellas/stands for another 30 bux (like I did)

OR

go to Midwest Photo Exchange and order a strobist kit for yourself adn that should get you a good base for lighting.



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