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mutsuraboshi
im not talking about how to get to a dealership and sign that paper. im talking about how u guys got ur first favourite car, or the first car that u did sum heavy modding on. sum of u guys have souped up mercedes? how the hell do 20 yr olds afford those so early on? i have my eye on a 04 wrx, i think im getting it as a graduation gift after i get into and pass the university accounting degree with reasonable marks. but im sure not all ppl got theirs bought by parents?
black94gt
i worked and saved for mine since i was like 14???
pinoyhero
My first car was a nissan micra, I bought that myself. From there I went to a Buick someset, then a '99 beemer when I got my first real job, now I drive an '02 TL-S. No parents help here, for others I can't say the same.
Firefly/wRims
Parents gave me the firefly at the beginning, i might be getting the 240sx as a high school grad present, even though i payed for half of it...
rice_eater
i was looking for a totally different car...after two months of looking i stumbled over this red neon two door that looked too good and was just way too good a price to pass it up...only after that did i start liking it.
rage2
In high school, I crammed all my spares into grade 12, and took 1/2 year off, working full time as a busboy while living at home. Made enough money to pay for 944 turbo.
davidI
I worked my ass off for several years and just bought a beater for $250. Only problem was insurance was 2 grand. Finally, having a car I was able to get a better job so I worked even harder and upgraded to a 95' Neon and had insurance was $2300. Finally, this year I picked up a 92' Celica GTS which is finally mod worthy but my insurance is also around $3600 so really, insurance is what has kept me from driving something really bling. In a way I'm happy I had to work for it all and pay for it all myself but in another way I wish I could have an WRX handed to me when I graduate management.
EstoMax
my parents gave me a hyundai accent as my first car.. hopefully i can convince them to get me an s13 240sx for graduation.. with me paying part of it and selling the hyundai should cover most of it too.. mmm rwd:drool: max
hjr
free ford escort then 500 in repairs. that was my first car. second one and third and forth and fifth were all me...
mutsuraboshi
and u just saved and payed fro a merc later? see ur the guys that are crazy, u drive like 50-60k cars and ur still pretty young to have one. my frend started saving at 12 or14? he has enough money to buy a dc5 as soon as his insurance rates go down i guess i dint have that foresite when i was that age. i think i was still blowing money on unimportant stuff bleh~ i better get into UofC
mutsuraboshi
that was for rage2
carzcraz
I graduated from UofC, got a full-time job at the hospital saved up some money and looked like crazy before finding an awesome deal and bought a BMW X5 for my first car :)
GTS Jeff
i got sick of looking for a crx and settled for buying an ae86 as a temporary beater. been driving that ever since.
Dope Dealer
Originally posted by rage2
In high school, I crammed all my spares into grade 12, and took 1/2 year off, working full time as a busboy while living at home. Made enough money to pay for 944 turbo.
rage2
Originally posted by Dope Dealer
I thought you didn't graduate from High School?
CRXguy
Originally posted by rage2
It's all about hard work, not about school! :rofl:
Stratus_Power
age 19, dont have a first car yet! kinda saving up for one.. but thanks to my sis' beautiful 6-accidents-in-3-years record, i dont see myself being able to save up 9k/year for insurance. so i probably wont get a car until im 21 at least. yay for me.
rage2
Originally posted by CRXguy
:werd:, although I'll never be as bling as you though. :rofl:
RiceCake
I saved up enough for a down payment and am now financing my Spec V. Parent's weren't really into me driving or having access to a car and moved into an area where bussing sucks. I sucked it up and got myself my car and insurance.
Toms-Celica
Family has 6 cars, wanted to get rid of one so they passed it down to me. Cheating, hell yes! But very lucky, glad they didnt sell it.
ExtremeSi
Last year I had a couple grand saved up out of High School to pay for College, but I got a couple scholarships and at the same time I won a contest for free tuition from MRC open house to pay for my first semester. And in the same month I won a contest in the calgary Sun for $1000 and a 27" TV. So as a result I had extra money left over and bought my first car (88 Prelude). Some people just get lucky....but this year I am broke, so it's not all good...:banghead:
Shaolin
First car was given to me by my parents after they drove the shit out of it and decided they only need to use 1 car.. That was a 1987 Chevy Sprint.. I drove it for 3 years and sold the thing for 500 bucks.. When I turned 18 I saved up all of my bday and chinese new years money and gave it to my broker.. 3 years later I bought my first brand new car with cash, the 2000 Civic SE. I'll drive that thing to the ground before I buy another car. 2 years later my friends and I got our motorcycle licenses, and I bought my first bike.. the 89 ZX6 for 3000 bucks.. saved up for a few months and got it. Next car's going to be AWD, time I'll buy it is when this civic is completely immobile.. so maybe in 6 years or so :D
CelicaST-162
My first car was a 1986 Toyota Celica GT-S, it was my dads car but since he bought another car, he didnt need the celica so I got it....Then when the engine blew, I saved up a bunch of money from my apprenticeship work and bought a 1987 Toyota Celica GT-S....(RIP).
ShOwOfF
Parents bought me my lude and payed for most of my mods and pay for my insurance. I feel fortunate but I know that I would return the favor in the future.
nosegrindR
Got my first car when i was 17 from my parents for graduating high school, it was a 90 honda accord, curbed it, sold it, drive my brother's 94 prelude for a bit, began to hate how weak honda's drove and decided to give nissan a try. With the money I saved from my first REAL job and the accord, I was able to get a 91 240sx that's pretty much in mint condition. Can't wait to SR power it. :drool:
Hash_man
I got my first car off my sister for $1 heheh... I dont think I ever actually payed her for it. But now that I want a new car, and she is moving back home, I will most likely have to get a loan to afford my next car, and I already have to pay for all my repairs, and most of my insurance... and also, if I want to do any mods, those I have to pay for as well.
THREE40SEVEN
I've been working since i was 14. my first vehicle was a honda spree scooter:rofl:
hondarunner
mc donalds and some other buisness:D
Superesc
Went to the dealership, pick out the car, apply for finance... and that's it...
rice_eater
i just pimped this ugly girl that liked me :nut: for my first car
FoxLX
Saved up for my first mustang when i was 17 working part time at superstore. It was a 1990 dark blue coupe. It was around for little over 2 weeks when I was rear-ended. Some old guys insurance paid for my white coupe :) . Refer to sig.
Team_Mclaren
been workin since 15, save up around 100 a month (still have to spend on other shit), waited year and a half and got my self this. Paid 3/4 and others from parents and my nucle!
illeagle
First car - Got a full time summer job at 16,(4years ago) for shits and giggles, saves a grand, and bought a 1982 2 door Corolla (3TC) - Painted her candy apple red - did the JDM EDM thing clear signals, amberSide makers, Yellow headlights, all red tails, Ford focus style antenna, Exhaust blah blah blah, - finally Got my 4 way split, supra mags, 2 days later wrote it off Trying to rush downtown to pick up mommy, ( C-train strike)
Alpine Autowerks
hand me down when I was 12, my dad seized the engine driving it w/o coolant after doing a head gasket. a mechanic who saw the car in the back yard asked about it, said he always wanted to work on an aluminium engine (1963 Rambler(yes I am old)) and offered to fix it for $25, paid him from a snow shoveling route I had with a real estate office. Drove the car through university, sold it to my sister for same use.
method
I got a free 1982 sr5 corolla which was my dad's old car that he gave to me. sometimes I drove my sister's car.
ThE ReMiX
Originally posted by black94gt
i worked and saved for mine since i was like 14???
Mike09
I worked for a year after high school bought my 240sx and then bought another 240sx then sold them both and now importing my third car a PS13. All paid for buy me no help from parents.
finboy
bought my jetta after saving for 6 months, blew way too much cash on it, still have it (broken in the garage). bought my daytona, still had issues with it, parted it out, sold the shell to my buddy, lost a lot of money on it. bought an omni, stored it for 6 months, tow truck driver totled it and wouldn't return calls, car was only 200 bucks so i said fuck it. 1989 spirit, i found in the pick your part yard, only missing a grille and headlight. bought it, now sitting in my garage waiting to get finished for the winter break in period. recieving all parts that were going on the omni, pluss some extra parts i picked up (mmmm, mack truck intercooler :drool: );)
Spenser
saved up since I was born(parents and I put money in my bank every so often) wehn I was 13 i bought a 1989 peugeot moped from some old guy for 400 bucks..........actually did mods on it, still have it, body is all molded and it waiting for finishing and paint. save up some more, paid 2/3 of my car, parents use me to drive people around so they pay for my gas, and when I curbed, my dad payed 600 big ones to get it fixed.
max_boost
In the past 8 years, I've only missed one weekend of work:thumbsup:
Double0Civic
for my first car, I worked at moxies as a dishwasher for 6 months and got $1200 saved, then then my parents went away for a week, (cuz my dad would never have let it happen, lol ) I went and bought a 86 topaz for $600, and had enough left over for $250 insurance payment, and buy a new starter and battery. my dad hated it so much ( and it puking oil all over the drive way ) that he signed for a lease on a 97 cavalier, I hated it so I got a real job and got a 2000 dodge ram, then the 00 civic I have now. heading towards a 02 white rsx..:D
Melinda
I was given an 89 civic for my 17th birthday but i had to pay $750 to have it shipped here and another $1700 in repairs to make it alberta road worthy (It came from ontario) So Yeah...saving lots from a job I worked at the mall
max_boost
Originally posted by Double0Civic
heading towards a 02 white rsx..:D White only came in 03, let me know when you are interested. I'm moving upscale.:thumbsup:
SinisterProbeGt
I got into a car accident and got ejected out of the back seat of a convertable. spent a couple of days in the hospital and the insurance company gave me some cash I bought my first real car that way :nut:
Accent
Bought an 87 Shadow with my own cash before I entered University. Then upgraded it to a 91 after seven years, owned three more cars since then. All paid for and all have been in my name for insurance. Wouldn't change a thing about what i bought back then or how hard I worked to get it....:thumbsup:
mutsuraboshi
haha i missed one weekend last week, and i got fired lol :banghead:
lam-boy
my parents let me drive our family vehicals at first (4runner, safari) then they said they wanted to buy me a car, i wanted an older car but whatever its all good haha. then i got a car for my birthday/graduation present. now i just wanna finish post secondary and pay them back
ole dsm
hard work period set up banquet tables started working when i was 13, bought my 1st car at 17 a 1988 toyota 4x4. i think when u work for ur car u take better care of it.
Shaolin
when you pay for your car, you take better care of it.. but what's the diff :werd:
Wildcat
ive been working since i was 13 (before they enforced all those labour laws), got my car during the summer of gr10 for 13G, put 14G into it and ive had it ever since. :D
googe
similar to the rage2 approach...dropout, head start on IT, etc
PGTze
I worked alot when I was in jr.high/highschool. Thne summer before grade 12 I spent every penny I had on a car, bad idea, it was a struggle all through grade 12 to cover insurance, gas, ect...
Double0Civic
Max Boost: oops, I guess I didnt do too much research on it.:nut: how much you want for it? type s? options? pm me. I'm not really looking for one til spring though.
dcoultis
Saved up 800 and bought a pretty mint ae86 from an old lady, traded it for another ae86 and crashed it two weeks later.
GTS Jeff
Originally posted by dcoultis
Saved up 800 and bought a pretty mint ae86 from an old lady, traded it for another ae86 and crashed it two weeks later. AHHHHHHHHHHHH YOU BASTARD!!!!
CRXguy
Originally posted by GTS Jeff
soon these stupid cars will be worth as much as crx's :)
accordboi_02
Finished my Univ Degree, got a nice job, saved up a bit, then financed the rest of my car. :)
hinggu
First car I drove was my dad's 1981 mustang. I bought my first car with my brother after some wino rear ended us in my sister's car. insurance gave us some cash. Parents made us buy a 1999 Metro!! After a year, hated the damn thing so me and my bro saved up from part time jobs for a down payment on a spec V!
dcoultis
Shut up gts jeff, do you think i meant to CRASH it. You dont know what happened, so dont say shit tell you do. I love ae86s and would never want to wreck one on purpose. Theres alot of people on this forum that are inconsiderate and talk before they know the story :rolleyes: If you were joking ignore this :D
JAYMEZ_STi
My first car was a 98 Ford Explorer, a gurl crashed it ... I got moeny from my grandparents when they died , i also worked when i was 16 at tip top tailors , then when i was 17 i worked at latitude for awhile , they pay sucked ass. but now i have your dream car , 2004 WRX STi... I was second person in Calgary to buy one , I was the first person in Western Canada to crash one =)
thich
Originally posted by dcoultis
Shut up gts jeff, do you think i meant to CRASH it. You dont know what happened, so dont say shit tell you do. I love ae86s and would never want to wreck one on purpose. Theres alot of people on this forum that are inconsiderate and talk before they know the story :rolleyes: If you were joking ignore this :D
mutsuraboshi
U CRASHED IT! shame on u:eek: ill get one in a couple of years... maybe just a wrx? i heard its pretty costly for a STi swap... my cousin has one in calgary. i wonder how much he payed for his? they have a 'how-to' sti swap in the last tuner it looks pretty complicated. :dunno:
mutsuraboshi
taking about the sti, not the 86
GTS Jeff
Originally posted by dcoultis
Shut up gts jeff, do you think i meant to CRASH it. You dont know what happened, so dont say shit tell you do. I love ae86s and would never want to wreck one on purpose. Theres alot of people on this forum that are inconsiderate and talk before they know the story :rolleyes: If you were joking ignore this :D man, i guess u are just jumpy after losing your ae86, so ill forgive your outburst haha
thich
why not just mod a WRX for what it's worth? :dunno: why STi swap? prolly end up costing more than buying one :dunno: --- whoa Jeff... first time i seen u be merciful... haha :rofl:
JAYMEZ_STi
Buy an STi , and mod it =P
dcoultis
I post one thing saying i crashed my ae86 and everybody is saying that because my car got totaled the prices of ae86s and parts for them will sky rocket, screw that, what about all of the ae86s being driven around as beaters which will mostly likely end up at a pick your part. You guys are all crazy if you think that this will drive the price up for these cars, one less is not gonna make a difference. The parts from this car were sold to make my buddies ae86 survive its battle with cancer, so my car died to save another. You guys are pissing me off now making me recall my accident, which was one of the worst days of my life thanks :thumbsup:
GTS Jeff
Originally posted by dcoultis
I post one thing saying i crashed my ae86 and everybody is saying that because my car got totaled the prices of ae86s and parts for them will sky rocket, screw that, what about all of the ae86s being driven around as beaters which will mostly likely end up at a pick your part. You guys are all crazy if you think that this will drive the price up for these cars, one less is not gonna make a difference. The parts from this car were sold to make my buddies ae86 survive its battle with cancer, so my car died to save another. You guys are pissing me off now making me recall my accident, which was one of the worst days of my life thanks :thumbsup: yo man, take it easy, we are joking!! just jokes just jokes!
cujo_cjc
yea mutsuraboshi, why not buy a wrx and mod it for what its worth???!!! :nut:
cocoabrova
My parents gave me my first vehicle: 1986 Dodge Ram 50 mini-truck.....White, a/c, auto., oh and a phucked engine. I had to learn how to rebuild it if I wanted to drive it. Took me a few months to finish, and it actually ran for a few more years:rofl:
thich
Originally posted by dcoultis
I post one thing saying i crashed my ae86 and everybody is saying that because my car got totaled the prices of ae86s and parts for them will sky rocket, screw that, what about all of the ae86s being driven around as beaters which will mostly likely end up at a pick your part. You guys are all crazy if you think that this will drive the price up for these cars, one less is not gonna make a difference. The parts from this car were sold to make my buddies ae86 survive its battle with cancer, so my car died to save another. You guys are pissing me off now making me recall my accident, which was one of the worst days of my life thanks :thumbsup:
GTS Jeff
Originally posted by thich
whoa.. sorry dood. no hard feelings it's basic economics actually that we are pointing out... supply v. demand. and yes.... prices of AE86s HAVE gone up over the past few years - to the extent where ppl can rape you for upwards of $5k-$8k for a "good" condition one. the 240SX's are another example; four years ago you could find like a 93 240SX for around $4k-$6k..... now most are priced at above $10k (average-wise).... just supply and demand. :) heh its pretty crazy, i bought my corolla for $1200...and i am pretty sure i could sell it easily now for triple that hahaha
Primer_Drift
haha Sport_ryder now has 2 jeff, he just bought another '86 SR5 for $100, next to no rust below 200,000kms but doesn't run yet
googe
Originally posted by JAYMEZ_STi
My first car was a 98 Ford Explorer, a gurl crashed it ... I got moeny from my grandparents when they died , i also worked when i was 16 at tip top tailors , then when i was 17 i worked at latitude for awhile , they pay sucked ass. but now i have your dream car , 2004 WRX STi... I was second person in Calgary to buy one , I was the first person in Western Canada to crash one =)
GTS Jeff
Originally posted by Primer_Drift
haha Sport_ryder now has 2 jeff, he just bought another '86 SR5 for $100, next to no rust below 200,000kms but doesn't run yet heh, id give my left nut if i could find a corolla body with no rust. goodbye to suspension money!
James
Originally posted by PGTze
I worked alot when I was in jr.high/highschool. Thne summer before grade 12 I spent every penny I had on a car, bad idea, it was a struggle all through grade 12 to cover insurance, gas, ect...
itsnotaDUB
my first veichel (on the road) was a 1987 dodge caravan, man i loved that thing. rusted, no brakes, one headlight, dented fender, no tails, smoked like a chimney, and had a cracked block. on a ady that was supposed to be just doing the brakes i realized that the front rotorswere only half there. in this i mean the outter ring and even the ventswere ground down to the inner disc. this is truly a site to see. i kept it just for that reason. lol... :thumbsup:
JAYMEZ_STi
Lol @ googe
mutsuraboshi
Originally posted by thich
why not just mod a WRX for what it's worth? :dunno: why STi swap? prolly end up costing more than buying one :dunno: --- whoa Jeff... first time i seen u be merciful... haha :rofl:
Originally posted by cujo_cjc
yea mutsuraboshi, why not buy a wrx and mod it for what its worth???!!! :nut:
mutsuraboshi
oops.... twin turbos are diff from twin scroll turbos. just found that out, my bad..:banghead:
JAYMEZ_STi
normal WRX doesnt have the DCCD in it , plus it doesnt have 300HP stock , hell who needs a sun roof anyways , its damn cold in Calgary lol , the style of STi is awesome compared to the normal WRX. Also you got your 6 Speed in the STi Maybe try takeing some out on the dealership for a test run if they will let you drive it. Or if they even have one in stock
A_3
My parents hooked me up with a good deal because they had an extra car kicking around
mutsuraboshi
ehhh... i dunno about the dccd thing, its a nice option i guess, but im sure ppl can live without it. i think sun roofs are pimp, actually its cuz i dont like opening windows, cuz the wind that blows in will dry up my eyes so i roll open the tops well....i like both, but i dont think i could afford the sti anyways
GTS Jeff
Originally posted by mutsuraboshi
ehhh... i dunno about the dccd thing, its a nice option i guess, but im sure ppl can live without it. i think sun roofs are pimp, actually its cuz i dont like opening windows, cuz the wind that blows in will dry up my eyes so i roll open the tops well....i like both, but i dont think i could afford the sti anyways the "dccd thing" as u so eloquently put it, is a bit more than a nice option man. as far as i know, no other production car has ever had something like that before. its a rally car thing that allows the driver another level of control over the car. so yea, ppl can live without it, but its not as useless as u make it out to be.
JAYMEZ_STi
I sure as hell didnt buy my car for confort lol.
sputnik
i have yet to own a "new" car... heres the run down... 1981 Chevy Malibu - free from my aunt 1982 Buick Regal - $800 1987 Cutlass Supreme - free from my dad (after he put 280k on it) ... i still have the Cutlass... its now at 305k and im hoping to get it to 400k but then again... i might not own a cool car... but i do own a house which is a WAY better choice in the long run... i guess im just a cheap bastard... maybe i will spend some money on a car once the mortgage is under control and i have my dream garage built (24x28)... however i just can justify the depreciation
szw
Originally posted by sputnik
i have yet to own a "new" car... heres the run down... 1981 Chevy Malibu - free from my aunt 1982 Buick Regal - $800 1987 Cutlass Supreme - free from my dad (after he put 280k on it) ... i still have the Cutlass... its now at 305k and im hoping to get it to 400k but then again... i might not own a cool car... but i do own a house which is a WAY better choice in the long run... i guess im just a cheap bastard... maybe i will spend some money on a car once the mortgage is under control and i have my dream garage built (24x28)... however i just can justify the depreciation
Wildcat
Originally posted by sputnik
i have yet to own a "new" car... heres the run down... 1981 Chevy Malibu - free from my aunt 1982 Buick Regal - $800 1987 Cutlass Supreme - free from my dad (after he put 280k on it) ... i still have the Cutlass... its now at 305k and im hoping to get it to 400k but then again... i might not own a cool car... but i do own a house which is a WAY better choice in the long run... i guess im just a cheap bastard... maybe i will spend some money on a car once the mortgage is under control and i have my dream garage built (24x28)... however i just can justify the depreciation
max_boost
Originally posted by szw
haha, reminds me of that mercedes 'ice cream' commercial haha I just saw that tonight, initially i was like WTF?! haha
gkAeris
work work work work work work work.....and then blam first car rsx type s.....just bought this year :)
CRXguy
Originally posted by mutsuraboshi
ehhh... i dunno about the dccd thing, its a nice option i guess, but im sure ppl can live without it. i think sun roofs are pimp, actually its cuz i dont like opening windows, cuz the wind that blows in will dry up my eyes so i roll open the tops well....i like both, but i dont think i could afford the sti anyways
Wildcat
whats DCCD anyways? someone fill me in :D
Gravy_83
here goes for me. firstcar 88 rx7 in pristine shape (bought by my parents because they were moving to a different province and figured with rent and everything I couldn't afford a car and needed one to get to work) second car was my dad's ford explorer which became my winter beater he couldn't sell it for hwat he bought it for and well it wouldn't make it from new brunswick to alberta so he left it for me. third car was a 91 integra with 440 000 km's which ran very strong surprisingly which I got free for the explorer when the trnany went. then I moved ot alberta myself, bought an 86 accord dumped way too much money into it. then when it stalled right in traffic I decided to get soemthing else. and in comes my 96 civic hatch which is the firstcar I ever really wanted to buy and is the only carto actually get modded quite fast. I know i bought the accord but it was such a piece of shit hehehe
mutsuraboshi
Originally posted by GTS Jeff
the "dccd thing" as u so eloquently put it, is a bit more than a nice option man. as far as i know, no other production car has ever had something like that before. its a rally car thing that allows the driver another level of control over the car. so yea, ppl can live without it, but its not as useless as u make it out to be. and what are u talking about with drying eyeballs and sunroofs and whatnot? dude, are u buying a car to drive or for its comfort? if its the latter, u should really look at something totally different. a wrx is quite the sporting car, and if u are so concerned with being pampered, u should be looking at a buick.
Originally posted by CRXguy
How old are you, 16?! :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Wildcat
whats DCCD anyways? someone fill me in :D
mutsuraboshi
on wrx's the driver cant control the center differential, but on the sti the driver can. but both cars have the center slip differential.:whipped:
GTS Jeff
Originally posted by mutsuraboshi
dccd isnt sucha big deal in my opinion cuz the wrx's have a similar drivetrain system just that it isnt driver controlled... on the manual transmission models have a viscous-coupling locking center differential. so when ur driving ur STi and u put ur dccd on auto mode, its just like driving a faster WRX. see the difference? not alot preformance wise. yea im sixteen... is there a problem ...i think it is a burnout gizmo hahahahaha see the reason u dont see the advantage of dccd is cuz:
mutsuraboshi
Originally posted by GTS Jeff
hahahahaha see the reason u dont see the advantage of dccd is cuz: a. you are 16. yes that is a problem. being that young makes people more likely to be stupid and not know anything. b. as a result of aforementioned point, u dont know what dccd is and what its for. gawd. dccd allows u play with power distribution of the awd from front to back. what this means is that u can set it for an optimum power distribution for different conditions (ie ice racing, tarmac, gravel, uphill, downhill, etc). on the lower models, u cant adjust it at all cuz its entirely computer controlled. why do u think ppl like manual trannies vs. auto trannies? cuz its allows u more control over the car!
googe
Originally posted by mutsuraboshi
so when ur driving ur STi and u put ur dccd on auto mode, its just like driving a faster WRX. see the difference? not alot preformance wise.
mutsuraboshi
shit ppl have time to adjust little dials while doing hairpins? lol i alrdy mess up on downshifting, handbraking, and countersteering i have yet to reach that skill of driving thanx for the info googe but i thot we were only talking about the difference in center differentials on the two cars? not the whole cars
mutsuraboshi
u prolly kno more than the salesmen i have noticed the majority of salesmen dont kno alot about some of the cars they sell maybe they just ignore the kids haha |
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