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CrazyOldMan
07-22-2010, 08:25 PM
I'm buying my first car, I'd like something that looks good and moves. I've read that the Gen3 Eclipse RS & GS engines can handle more psi than the GT, and are easier, and cheaper to mod.

I can find a used 2001 rs for around 4k, and a slightly damaged 2003 gt for about the same. I've also seen several 1990 - 1999 Eclipses around for close to the same price. Which engine can I boost to get the most power out of for the lowest price, and which engine is the best equipped to handle the most power?

I can also find a used BMW M3 for around 6k, and a turbo kit for the M3 for around 4k. I've read that with a similar kit someone was running a 3.6 0 to 60. Can the Eclipse come close to these numbers, and what would it take?

Also on a side note. Is the sportronic auto shift on the Eclipse as fast or faster than a manual?

Also, how much of an advantage is AWD with turbo?

Skyline.addict
07-23-2010, 02:24 AM
I'd prefer eclipse and replace the motor to a 6 bolt to prevent crank walk, also the awd is pretty powerfull if you know how to use it but mind you you wanna build your transmission because i believe after 240whp it just grenades, and there's no point to have an automatic in an eclipse dude! :D

Cannot give u any advice on the m3 besides it would be rwd and could get hard to handle if you dont know what you are doing, but that goes with any car ;)

beyond_ban
07-23-2010, 07:37 AM
Where are you finding an M3 for $6k?

Cody D
07-23-2010, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Skyline.addict
I'd prefer eclipse and replace the motor to a 6 bolt to prevent crank walk, also the awd is pretty powerfull if you know how to use it but mind you you wanna build your transmission because i believe after 240whp it just grenades, and there's no point to have an automatic in an eclipse dude! :D

I think he's talking about a third gen Eclipse, so no AWD and no 6 bolt swap for him.

Also he's probably talking about an E36 M3, that's why he's finding it so cheap.

Go with the E36 M3. The third gen Eclipse is awful.

beyond_ban
07-23-2010, 12:24 PM
^ E36 M3's are not cheap, unless your buying it beat to shit. You can find some decently priced ones in the US, but then your dealing with 170XXX+ miles.

1-Bar
07-23-2010, 12:38 PM
IIRC there's a 97 M3 for sale locally for $13 000, anyways, I'd go with the Turbo M3, but depending on the year, there's a lot of shit that can break....so maintenance $$$$

beyond_ban
07-23-2010, 12:42 PM
Ya, $13000, not $6k like previously stated.

Ron@Revolution
08-18-2010, 11:02 AM
3G Eclipse is not a good performance platform, a 2G Eclipse/Talon is. 3G are also not AWD, and not turbo, 2G's are AWD and Turbo. Dollar for dollar you well go faster in a DSM then a BMW, ride etc is another story.

buh_buh
08-18-2010, 01:26 PM
a $6000 M3 is going to be a total beatbox. For that kind of budget you should be turboing a Civic.

A790
08-18-2010, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
a $6000 M3 is going to be a total beatbox. For that kind of budget you should be turboing a Civic.
What's the cost of reliably boosting a Civic?

e36bmw///
08-18-2010, 02:23 PM
nm

benyl
08-18-2010, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by A790

What's the cost of reliably boosting a Civic?

When I looked into it a few years ago, you probably need a minimum of $10K to do it right.

beyond_ban
08-18-2010, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by A790

What's the cost of reliably boosting a Civic?

I bet it could be done for less then $6k. It of course all depends on which model you choose to start with as a baseline...

streethondas
08-18-2010, 05:26 PM
^ if you get a EG and drop a b16

b16 2k you can just part a turbo kit for 1500 to 2k

That leaves you with about 2k you can build the block with that much easily. ARP head studs, forged piston etc to build the block so it wont blow as quickly...

i would do that if i had 6k to dump in to my civic :clap:

epp01
08-18-2010, 05:49 PM
DSM hands down. Cheap out of the gate, already boosted, and AWD. Stock short blocks can handle 400hp from a 7 bolt and 500 from a 6 bolt. You buy a cheap second gen for like 4-5g's and drop 4-5g's into, clutch, fuel mods, turbo, and you'll have a 400awhp DSM reliably (as reliable as any 400awhp car) and you'll be spinning those 4 tires through first and second gear.

buh_buh
08-18-2010, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by A790

What's the cost of reliably boosting a Civic? Not that high. If you spend $5k on a car, you can probably get something in pretty decent shape, and another $5k towards a turbo kit and standalone and you're golden. I probably spent around $5k on a turbo kit on my Honda, and that was like 6 or 7 years ago. I'm sure parts are way cheaper and better nowadays.

A3GTiVR6SC
08-18-2010, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by epp01
DSM hands down. Cheap out of the gate, already boosted, and AWD. Stock short blocks can handle 400hp from a 7 bolt and 500 from a 6 bolt. You buy a cheap second gen for like 4-5g's and drop 4-5g's into, clutch, fuel mods, turbo, and you'll have a 400awhp DSM reliably (as reliable as any 400awhp car) and you'll be spinning those 4 tires through first and second gear.


:werd: :D

xtreme prelude
09-10-2010, 03:50 PM
buy something that already has a turbo. when you are dealing with a budget, its nice to have a proven forced induction to start with. then modify from there.

- 1g eslipse / talon
- 1987-89 starion / conquest (since you live in the US) but find a well maintained one to start with - they can be a real head ache if they a neglected

i used to own a starion and would love to get another one. rear wheel drive, turbo, 5 speed, unique, gobs of torque and a blast to drive. they are easy to work on also. and they handle amazingly

zipdoa
09-10-2010, 04:01 PM
400whp supercharged m3 on kijiji

$13 000

http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-E36-BMW-M3-Coupe-supercharged-W0QQAdIdZ228124676

cjay^
09-10-2010, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by epp01
DSM hands down. Cheap out of the gate, already boosted, and AWD. Stock short blocks can handle 400hp from a 7 bolt and 500 from a 6 bolt. You buy a cheap second gen for like 4-5g's and drop 4-5g's into, clutch, fuel mods, turbo, and you'll have a 400awhp DSM reliably (as reliable as any 400awhp car) and you'll be spinning those 4 tires through first and second gear.

If you don't care about driving an ugly ass eclipse (barf @ the tail lights), then yeah sounds good.

epp01
09-12-2010, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by cjay^


If you don't care about driving an ugly ass eclipse (barf @ the tail lights), then yeah sounds good.

To each their own, I don't like the styling of the eclipse rear either, but I am a fan off making over 500hp on a completely STOCK block.

Maybe that's why you know what eclipse tail lights look like. Is because you're always behind them. :)