Engine Swap HELP

[AlexDORIFTO]

I have done allot of research on what engine i want for my next drift silvia and i just cant decide. HELP ME DECIDE and please explain why you chose that one.

Goal is to have at least 350+ hp at the wheels

so far this is my top 5

1uz N/A with some bolt on mods
RB25 with some bolt on mods
RB20 Fully built; stroked, pistons, rods, bearings, etc...
LS1 N/A bone stock
VQ35de N/A bone stock

Engines i am not putting in unless you have really good reason.

1jz i want to get a huge turbo if i will be going that route and my brake master has melted on me because of that. i dont want the turbo on the right side


SR20 i had 3 of them already. Time for change.

ca18 dont even mension it
:banghead:

[sr20s14zenki]

1uz would be kind of cool, but fairly extensive.

rb25=crap unless you spend a fortune on one.

rb20=not worth building over an sr20det IMO

vq35= better have lots of cash for this one, or fab skills

ls1= sikky makes a mount kit and a wiring kit for s chassis....and parts are plentiful. Big power, fairly reliable. Theres a reason lots of people are using this setup now

have you considered 2jz?

[AlexDORIFTO]

so far im kinda getn an idea of how 1uz can work and there is a guy in US who can make an adapter plate from the stock SR tranny to a 1uz block and get me a flywheel with a clutch and all for about 700 dollaz.

his build http://www.driftworks.com/forum/drift-car-projects-builds/39060-s13-1uzfe-4-litre-v8-finished-used-bit-now-stripped-sold-x-38.html

it either be LS1 or 1UZ
i want to make something that that no one has yet in this town.

if i blown an LS1 it will cost me at least 2k to get a new one and if i blow a 1UZ it will be about 600 buck from a ls400 or any other v8 lexus.

both of them are aluminum an weight almost the same. i just want to know which one can take more abuse

[510-Trevor]

No fab skills needed for the VQ35. Just go to vqswap.com and spend some money.

edit: my readng comprehension = fail
I thought sr20s14zenki said you needed fab skills and money. oops

[Abeo]

Originally posted by AlexDORIFTO

i want to make something that that no one has yet in this town.

There is at least one s13 w/ a LS motor around.

I'd do an LSx over the lexus V8; the tranny can take more, the weight is lower in the block, the engine is physically more compact, and parts are cheaper and more plentiful. The lexus motor is cheaper initially, but I can see it being a pain in the ass to modify.

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by 510-Trevor
No fab skills needed for the VQ35. Just go to vqswap.com and spend some money.

edit: my readng comprehension = fail
I thought sr20s14zenki said you needed fab skills and money. oops

No biggie, lol did a bit of research on that particular swap myself.

as for putting the sr20det tranny behind the 1uz, i wouldnt do that, i would be more inclined to run either a z32 tranny, or a r154. The sr20det tranny is wimpy as shit, and wouldnt take the torque plus drifting.

[AlexDORIFTO]

i think LS1 is more of what im actually going to do now but a whole car with a 1UZ FE is 400 on kijiji. so tempting !!!

Prices:

1UZ HARD
R154 tranny, clutch, flywheel, adapter plate $1500
Drive shaft + balancing $500
LS400 Donar car $400 (lowballer skillz maybe even $250)
Scrap metal for welding brackets and mounts $100
$2500 or so

LS1 EASY
Engine + T56 $3500 please find me a cheaper deal
Conversion Kit $2000
$5500 or so

[RickDaTuner]

NVM lol

[AlexDORIFTO]

turbo the LS1? what???

[AlexDORIFTO]

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/Brettwcollins/IMG_0070copy-1.jpg

450 hp at the wheel with just some basic bolt on crap and cams
ok im doing 1UZ with a w58 tranny


Build thread is coming up shortly
well only if you are interested:D

[Cooked Rice]

I would still do LS1. The 1UZ will get pricey when you start having to replace bits and pieces on it. Had a SC400 not long ago, and got rid of it because I didn't want to pay the ridiculous prices for parts to do an extensive tune up. And if your LS1 bites the dust, a fresh crate is 3500 bones from jegs. Too much work and money just to shoe-horn an old used 1UZ in there imo. And the wiring may make you want to cry.

[Tram Common]

The LS1 isn't the only option, for some reason nobody ever mentions the other LS engines, spend a bit more coin and go at least LS3.

Or, you know, you could drop $10K on an LS7 and then supercharge it and run around all day with 700 WHP. :dunno:

[AlexDORIFTO]

i picture the 1UZ being like a KA-T. If you blow it you can get a replacement for dirt cheap. i dont see why it is soo pricey. im picking up an ls400 tomorrow for 400 bucks. it has everything i need. it was just a little bit damaged in the rear :)

I dont have 10k

I HATE WIRING but its worth it.

Have you ever seen "how to kill a toyota hilux" that has a 1UZ

[Cooked Rice]

Yes, but getting it in there and running requires some coin. Hate to burst your bubble but 450WHP out of a NA 1UZ with some cams and bolt ons is highly unlikely. The only 450+ NA 1UZ i've heard of has a 9000+redline and nowhere near stock spec. A brand new 2011 C63 AMG 6.2 V8 doesn't even make that much power. A set of Kelford cams for 1UZ runs for $1500 :nut: Don't forget about cooling, exhaust work, clearancing as well. I've looked into making power with a 1UZ before, and the motor was already in a car and running, harder and more expensive than it seems. And come to think of it, I drive a UZ powered vehicle everyday, 2UZ-FE to be exact, in my 4Runner it's not bad, climbs rocks and tows a boat nice, but not really a rev happy HP monster.

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by Cooked Rice
Yes, but getting it in there and running requires some coin. Hate to burst your bubble but 450WHP out of a NA 1UZ with some cams and bolt ons is highly unlikely. The only 450+ NA 1UZ i've heard of has a 9000+redline and nowhere near stock spec. A brand new 2011 C63 AMG 6.2 V8 doesn't even make that much power. A set of Kelford cams for 1UZ runs for $1500 :nut: Don't forget about cooling, exhaust work, clearancing as well. I've looked into making power with a 1UZ before, and the motor was already in a car and running, harder and more expensive than it seems. And come to think of it, I drive a UZ powered vehicle everyday, 2UZ-FE to be exact, in my 4Runner it's not bad, climbs rocks and tows a boat nice, but not really a rev happy HP monster.


Yep, i agree with you 100%, people always speculate it will be sooo cheap, and soo easy, and over the years ive learned it NEVER is. Shit, ive spent an easy 5000$ on my 2jz swap so far, and thats me doing all the work, and fab....shit aint cheap.

You would atleast want to run that on a standalone.

[JZS_147]

1UZ's are tanks. Get a first Gen 1UZ as they have the beefiest rods and strongest internals out of all the UZ's....and they're the cheapest. Junker LS400's and SC400's are everywhere.

BUT like a couple people here have stated, it will be expensive, especially NA. The cheapest way of making big power with that engine is boosting it. Twin turbo or SC it.

The stock ECU is mapped for boost out of the factory so you can run a low level of boost safely with proper timing.

:burnout:

[Ymerej472008]

450 hp at the wheel with just some basic bolt on crap and cams
ok im doing 1UZ with a w58 tranny [/B]

Don't put a W58 behind it, it'll crumble, buy an R154.

[sr20s14zenki]

I have a spare r154....no shifter tho

300$

:poosie:

[JZS_147]

Originally posted by Ymerej472008


Don't put a W58 behind it, it'll crumble, buy an R154.

Fuck off W58's are fine. Look at my Supra that had a W58 behind it putting down over 4 at the wheels.

R154's suck balls. Yeah the can hold the power, but they have weak forks and they shift slow as hell. It's a truck tranny.

[sr20s14zenki]

Huh, wasnt aware of that, mind you friend of mine has a w58 behind his 2jz in his sc300 and it works just fine, 15 psi boost off stock twins.

one i day i will have a getrag...:D

[JZS_147]

i have 2 getrag V160's sitting in my garage. buy one

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by JZS_147
i have 2 getrag V160's sitting in my garage. buy one

Tempting, will have to wait for a bit, i will run the r154 and see how that goes for now, when i blow it up, then we shall see. Cant afford high $$$$ baller shit now.

[JZS_147]

ok, well i guess we'll wait until your 1-2 shift fork breaks.

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by JZS_147
ok, well i guess we'll wait until your 1-2 shift fork breaks. Yep hahaha, no biggie. If it breaks that means upgrade time.

Thx for the offer tho, much obliged.

Edit:

upgraded 1-2 shift fork anybody?

http://www.marlincrawler.com/transmission/parts-upgrade/billet-shift-fork-r-series

[JZS_147]

The R154 in my Aristo is a full Marlin Crawler race tranny.

By the way, it shifts even slower with the billet fork.

[Toma]

Do what Tanner did...

$50 KA enging from Kijiji, home fabbed turbo kit. Nistune sofware, cams.

320 rwhp so far not even trying.

Kills, and I mean KILLS SR's at similar boost, with faster spool, way more torque.

I can imagine if he threw some pistons at it, and 17 or 18 psi, the thing would crank 400 all day long.

I made fun of him, but it sure works.

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by Toma
Do what Tanner did...

$50 KA enging from Kijiji, home fabbed turbo kit. Nistune sofware, cams.

320 rwhp so far not even trying.

Kills, and I mean KILLS SR's at similar boost, with faster spool, way more torque.

I can imagine if he threw some pistons at it, and 17 or 18 psi, the thing would crank 400 all day long.

I made fun of him, but it sure works.


Yep, a good set of cp pistons, with the stock rods maybe peened and cryo treated, would do 400hp without even blinking, and probably the same in torque. The ka also has a better valve train, altho im not a big fan of their gay timing chain setup. An idler pulley? really? i get that its a truck motor, but come on, lets use our brains here.

[AlexDORIFTO]

i want N/A Toyota undestructible powa. these 1UZ come in hiluxes that get hard beat everyday and last for 400,000 KM. Internals are good to about 550 Horse and we all know that my tranny will explode before that.

[sr20s14zenki]

Yep, but what do you need to do to get 350 whp from that?

[ka-t240sx]

x2 for boosted ka :D

[JZS_147]

Originally posted by AlexDORIFTO
i want N/A Toyota undestructible powa. these 1UZ come in hiluxes that get hard beat everyday and last for 400,000 KM. Internals are good to about 550 Horse and we all know that my tranny will explode before that.


Try 600K+ for mileage. The 1UZ is a beast.

Internals are good way past 550hp, guys in Australia have ran well over 800whp on stock internals.

Back in the day HKS had a 1400whp 1UZ.


1UZ all the way.

[AlexDORIFTO]

My goal is to not go over 4K

So far I have:
LS400 Car with everything i need $350
Custom W58 adapter plate $325
MR2 Flywheel + machining and new holes drilled $600
MR2 Clutch Pressure Plate $FREE
6 puck 300ZX clutch Unsprung Disk $300
All new Gasket set (thinner headgasket to increase compression) $200
RX7 top feed injectors 550cc $FREE
Walbro 255 Fuel pump $Already was in Car
remote oil filter + Oil Cooler $have from other projects

Total so far: $1775

Still need:
Haltec e6x
stage 2 cams 274 duration 385 lift
3UZ vvti heavier valve springs
Cheap Ebay ITB's
Maybe Head port (what is the price on that?)

Any more suggestions?

WARNING: IF I SEE AN S13 WITH A 1UZ NEXT SUMMER YOU WILL BE SORRY !!!

[sr20s14zenki]

Thinner head gasket increases compression.

[AlexDORIFTO]

my input shaft will be a little bit smaller than the 1UZ pilot bearing so does it really matter or do i have to get one custom made?

[sr20s14zenki]

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Custom-1UZ-1UZFE-R154-and-R151-Gearbox-Adapter-/200357428186?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ea63bbbda#ht_1371wt_1139

check it out

:dunno:

edit: Take the cad file to gretz on here, bet he can do it for cheaper.

or you could just cut the crap, and get this kit...

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1uz-1uzfe-toyota-Bellhousing-R150-R151-R154-gearbox-/280732010621?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item415cee887d#ht_1155wt_1139

seems expensive, but it comes with everything you need.

[JZS_147]

Don't get an E6X, it's a shitty old ECU, get something newer and faster. Haltech has a gay crank trigger setup, so I recommend against going with that ECU or it's going to be a pain in the ass.

Of course I would recommend HKS Fcon Vpro, Tanner is selling his 3.3 setup right now for cheap, it would be ideal for that car and your setup. Or if you want the ability to have it tunable by multiple parties, maybe grab a Vipec, that's another excellent ECU.

[Maxt]

I have an E11 unused I would part with...

[sr20s14zenki]

Haltech PS2000 will support your engine as well, right out of the box.

[Tram Common]

Originally posted by Toma
Do what Tanner did...

$50 KA enging from Kijiji, home fabbed turbo kit. Nistune sofware, cams.

320 rwhp so far not even trying.

Kills, and I mean KILLS SR's at similar boost, with faster spool, way more torque.

I can imagine if he threw some pistons at it, and 17 or 18 psi, the thing would crank 400 all day long.

I made fun of him, but it sure works.

Is Tanner on Beyond?

Sounds like he's doing, or did, what I'm planning at the moment with my $240.00 SOHC 240SX.

... would be nice to get some advice.

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by Tram Common


Is Tanner on Beyond?

Sounds like he's doing, or did, what I'm planning at the moment with my $240.00 SOHC 240SX.

... would be nice to get some advice.

Yep, stop by the shop if you want any advice :D

I am kinda curious what the single slammer will do actually.

Just for god sakes put the money where it belongs. He atleast got a decent turbo, and reasonably sized injectors. The turbo, injectors, and tuning method is where you should be putting money. Dont think you will just throw an safc on there and that will do, because it wont.

theres my advice ;)

[AlexDORIFTO]

3K for a standalone!

I was thinking something along the lines of under 1500

[sr20s14zenki]

Yah if you can find something that uses your stock triggers that's under 1500$ that's great but chances are it will be old. Maybe an aem pnp...but
Then you are stuck retrofitting the factory ecu wiring to your car...and that is just yucky. My haltech ps2000 with the autospec harness was around 2k all said and done...but it was easy to wire and worked with all the stock 2jz sensors, ignition, etc..... So ultimately you get what you pay for. This is the heart of your engine...nuff said

The autospec harness is really easy to wire. Comes with it's own relay setup too. Even its own fuel pump relay..... Read up a bit on it.

[Tram Common]

Originally posted by sr20s14zenki


Yep, stop by the shop if you want any advice :D

I am kinda curious what the single slammer will do actually.

Just for god sakes put the money where it belongs. He atleast got a decent turbo, and reasonably sized injectors. The turbo, injectors, and tuning method is where you should be putting money. Dont think you will just throw an safc on there and that will do, because it wont.

theres my advice ;)

Where's the shop?

I already have everything for the setup. The big hold up is my ECU that was tuned for my setup from Emance... I've been waiting over a month for it... started to get very irritated.

[Abeo]

Originally posted by Tram Common


Where's the shop?

I already have everything for the setup. The big hold up is my ECU that was tuned for my setup from Emance... I've been waiting over a month for it... started to get very irritated.

Read up on Emance: http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=45057&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Hope it works out for you, I would have just got it done locally. Someone tuning your car >>>> mail order tune.

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by Abeo


Read up on Emance: http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=45057&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Hope it works out for you, I would have just got it done locally. Someone tuning your car >>>> mail order tune.

I agree, too many variables. My guess is its a bit on the rich side and timing is a bit on the retarded side for a safety cushion.

It costs more, but i would have gone with a nistune board.

[Tram Common]

Originally posted by Abeo


Read up on Emance: http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=45057&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Hope it works out for you, I would have just got it done locally. Someone tuning your car >>>> mail order tune.

I asked like every single S-Chassis person I knew if there was a local option for tuning a setup like mine and I didn't hear anything...

... do you know something I don't? I would have loved to have done the tuning locally.

Also, I don't have the time to learn how to map myself... that sounds bad... but I mean... it is what it is, right... I don't mind paying someone to though.

[Abeo]

Originally posted by Tram Common


I asked like every single S-Chassis person I knew if there was a local option for tuning a setup like mine and I didn't hear anything...

... do you know something I don't? I would have loved to have done the tuning locally.

Also, I don't have the time to learn how to map myself... that sounds bad... but I mean... it is what it is, right... I don't mind paying someone to though.

I've heard autodream can tune nistune boards, but I've also heard hit and miss things about them. No first hand knowledge.

And from shooting the shit with Tanner I've learned that he does nistune boards, and Toma can tune them. I don't want this to sound like an advertisement for them, its just what I've learned while buying up parts for my project.

Grab a U12 stanza ECU from the junkyard, obtain an 8 bit nistune chip, tune, profit.

Edit: this deserves its own thread, I think :dunno: