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redline
12-29-2015, 09:11 PM
Almost 74k for the top end deisel :eek: :eek:

Proyecto2000
12-30-2015, 01:29 AM
So is the Cummins engine really worth an extra $20k?

2015 Titan SL @ $54k MSRP (and Nissan has always been eager to sell the Titan way below MSRP just to get one out the door) vs 2016 Titan @ $74k. I wonder how much under MSRP they will end up selling these come summer time.


You could pick up a loaded Lariat F350 diesel for $80k minus the usual $12-$16k discount off MSRP and be miles ahead of the Titan...
:dunno:


-edit- I just dug up my order sheet from Ford dated Sept 2015 for a loaded 2015 Lariat diesel. MSRP $80,174, they gave us a discount of $18,421 and paid $63,868.21 taxes in.

Titan pricing seems crazy high to me :dunno:

Darell_n
12-30-2015, 04:36 AM
Cochrane Toyota has Tacomas for $90k+ so I'm sure some suckers will pay 74k for a Nissan pickup.

J.M.
12-30-2015, 07:58 AM
Tacoma for $90k+ lols

heavyD
12-30-2015, 10:10 AM
It's pretty easy to see how pickup trucks are buttering the bread for domestics as they are making obscene profits on these things as the pricing has gone out of control.

rx7_turbo2
12-30-2015, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by Darell_n
Cochrane Toyota has Tacomas for $90k+ so I'm sure some suckers will pay 74k for a Nissan pickup.

90k Tacoma? Is that for a stock one, or for one of those ones that they've thrown a shit ton of aftermarket nonsense at?

$74k for bone stock Titan with a Cummins? That's nuts, combine the crazy price tag with the terrible gas mileage the Cummins gets and why would anyone buy one of these?

Twin_Cam_Turbo
12-30-2015, 10:33 AM
Those Tacomas are pretty modded at Cochrane Toyota but still way more then the sum of the vehicles and parts.

Ca_Silvia13
12-30-2015, 11:35 AM
Nissan often gives 10k+ for discounts on Titans. Usually in the fall/winter.

HiTempguy1
12-30-2015, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Ca_Silvia13
Nissan often gives 10k+ for discounts on Titans. Usually in the fall/winter.

That's because Titan's have not changed at all since they were introduced in 2004.

I was seriously considering a decently loaded one, $26k out the door at the end of 2014.

Having said that, the new Titan, especially the diesel makes no sense (as I've mentioned elsewhere). Current youtube reviews are super-unimpressed with its towing capabilities. It basically is a modernized version of a 2001 2500hd duramax. There is no purpose to it, especially only being rated to tow 12,100 pounds. Most half tons have a max tow package that gets the max towing capacity to around 11k or 11.5k pounds. And the cummins diesel doesn't get that much better mpg than the new direct injection pickups do.

In short, the Titan XD is aimed at a very niche segment. Those who want a 1/2 ton sized truck, with lower end 3/4 ton capabilties, and a long lasting diesel that will get much better mpg while towing.

So unless you are towing constantly, the XD makes little sense, especially for the absurd prices.

Darell_n
12-30-2015, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


90k Tacoma? Is that for a stock one, or for one of those ones that they've thrown a shit ton of aftermarket nonsense at?


That's for the full redneck package. Probably will throw in white Oaklies and truck nuts for free.

Aleks
12-30-2015, 12:35 PM
http://www.cochranetoyota.dldserver3.com/wp-content/uploads/NewVehicles/150130/484fcec494fc4632a4c8017e2b61f0d5.jpg

http://www.cochranetoyota.dldserver3.com/wp-content/uploads/NewVehicles/150130/0fb9bc3285d8494e8115c504e65f134e.jpg

$86,250

BavarianBeast
12-30-2015, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by Darell_n


That's for the full redneck package. Probably will throw in white Oaklies and truck nuts for free.

You forgot the ski-goggles to hang from the rear-view. :rofl:

That taco is pretty damn sick, but at that price.. I'll buy a real truck :drama:

rx7_turbo2
12-30-2015, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by HiTempguy1
That's because Titan's have not changed at all since they were introduced in 2004.
That's a long time for a model to remain unchanged. Tacoma and Tundra have the same issue. Having said that I'm the type of guy that values solid reliability and low cost of ownership over bells and whistles so I subscribe to the "if it ain't broke" mantra.


Originally posted by Aleks
http://www.cochranetoyota.dldserver3.com/wp-content/uploads/NewVehicles/150130/484fcec494fc4632a4c8017e2b61f0d5.jpg

http://www.cochranetoyota.dldserver3.com/wp-content/uploads/NewVehicles/150130/0fb9bc3285d8494e8115c504e65f134e.jpg

$86,250

Crazy price :nut: I'd have to see a parts list to make a definitive call but I suspect that's still a substantial premium over what the same parts bought and installed somewhere else would cost.

HiTempguy1
12-30-2015, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by rx7_turbo2

Having said that I'm the type of guy that values solid reliability and low cost of ownership over bells and whistles so I subscribe to the "if it ain't broke" mantra.

I completely agree. Besides the horrendous MPG, our company 2009 Titan has been awesome. :thumbsup:

redline
12-31-2015, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by HiTempguy1


I completely agree. Besides the horrendous MPG, our company 2009 Titan has been awesome. :thumbsup:

I had a 2006 Titan that was a great truck, bought a new 2014 Titan in Sept the deal was too good to pass up. I run a Bully dog tuner and that greatly improves the gas mileage. I don't think the gas mileage is all that different then other v8 trucks. But each to their own, I am glad I did not wait for the 2016 at these prices

But for me the new Titan does fit me, cause I want a 1/2 toon that I can tow my trailer with (90% of use) and I little winter driving but not at 20k premium over 2015 prices, when my 2014 pulls the trailer just fine or so would a f150...

Maxt
12-31-2015, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Aleks
http://www.cochranetoyota.dldserver3.com/wp-content/uploads/NewVehicles/150130/484fcec494fc4632a4c8017e2b61f0d5.jpg

http://www.cochranetoyota.dldserver3.com/wp-content/uploads/NewVehicles/150130/0fb9bc3285d8494e8115c504e65f134e.jpg

$86,250
Most of those trinkets will get as much use as the Pope's balls but someone will buy it for the arduous drive from Arbour lake to Downtown.

dino_martini
12-31-2015, 07:20 PM
The pricing has turned me off but I wish more manufacturers would offer a diesel even if they have to partner with a company like Cummins.



Originally posted by Maxt

Most of those trinkets will get as much use as the Pope's balls but someone will buy it for the arduous drive from Arbour lake to Downtown.

Arbour Lake to Downtown with no snorkel? Sounds like risky business :rofl:

rx7_turbo2
12-31-2015, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by Maxt

Most of those trinkets will get as much use as the Pope's balls but someone will buy it for the arduous drive from Arbour lake to Downtown.

Gotta have the Roof Top Tent fitted 24/7, you just never know.

r3ccOs
01-01-2016, 01:01 AM
I thought originally that introducing a 3rd category of truck between a heavy/super duty and a half ton would be "clever" but so far its not turning out that way... The V8 aluminum head cummings is untested and so far unimpressive.

So outside of throwing a truck body over their NV2500 and the addition of this motor, how is this an answer to a heavy/super duty? I don't think there is going to be any real drivability advantages when compared to any 250/2500 (especially a Duramax 2500)

honestly I think the biggest limitation with half tons these days isn't the towing but rather the payload... so beyond max tow, every company should have a HD payload option (other than Ford I mean) that comes with an overload spring, and free floating rear axels to give a few hundred more pounds than the typical 1500... and meanwhile you still have a drivable half ton.

Maxt
01-01-2016, 05:23 AM
Where Nissan needs to put this engine, is in the NV cargo Van, since all the towing capabilities of the new Euro style vans , sprinter, transit, promaster, is kind of pathetic. The only Van in the 10,000 lb towing range is the GM savana, and I am not sure you can still get a savana with a diesel option, they use to offer the de-rated duramax but it might only be gassers now.
If I could get a 5.0 diesel in a van that would tow 11-12000 lbs, that would probably be my next work vehicle.

ExtraSlow
01-01-2016, 08:28 AM
I suspect the trade-off for the "euro" style work vans like those you mention is a change in suspension and frame design that makes them less suitable for towing.
Here's a Ford example. The highest towing rating you can get on a 2015 Transit with the 3.5L EcoBoost engine is 7000 lbs. That same engine in a 2015 F150 can be rated up to 12,100 lbs.

Clearly much more at work than the engine.

Darell_n
01-01-2016, 09:24 AM
Cargo vans are for hauling payload and trucks are for towing. Don't confuse the two and they will work great. The only van I've seen used for towing of the thousand of cargo vans I see in a week was pulling a scissor lift, and anything can tow that. If you want to pull a 10k pound trailer you need a cube van and not a stripped out passenger vehicle.

Maxt
01-01-2016, 09:25 AM
The nissan NV v8 gas is rated at 9500 with the receiver hitch, which is decent, but towing with a nissan gas V8, the range would probably be pretty dismal, as they are dismal even unloaded. A fellow contractor I know has the V8 gas, drives around with a pretty light tool load, and gets worse fuel mileage than my SRT-10 ram.
I would think the cummins would bump that tow rating over the 10 mark if do the same thing again and use the truck as the nv base for 2016.

Cars.com had the same thoughts apparently:
Expert Snapshot
Read Expert Reviews
What We Like
Versatility and comfort
Pickup-truck-like cabin
Many standard features on base model
Cargo space with high-top roof
9,500-pound tow rating
Driver and passenger seat legroom

What We Don't Like
Controversial styling
No integrated trailer brake control system
No diesel engine offered

Maxt
01-01-2016, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by Darell_n
Cargo vans are for hauling payload and trucks are for towing. Don't confuse the two and they will work great. The only van I've seen used for towing of the thousand of cargo vans I see in a week was pulling a scissor lift, and anything can tow that. If you want to pull a 10k pound trailer you need a cube van and not a stripped out passenger vehicle.
Nobody is making a replacement these days for the old E-350 with a diesel, and a cube van is to big and cumbersome for a daily work vehicle. When I load up steel pipe or equipment its always over 8000 lbs. I also don't want to unload my truck just to tow my car in a car hauler either..
The only difference between older vans and trucks was the sheet metal.

Darell_n
01-01-2016, 10:40 AM
The Duramax is still available in a GM 3500 van with over 10k towing, but the diesel option adds 50% to the vehicle price.

Maxt
01-01-2016, 11:29 AM
Thats true, but everyone I know with one of those has to put electrical tape over all the warning lights on the dashboard so they can see at night. :rofl:

ExtraSlow
01-01-2016, 03:14 PM
The Econoline was a great tow vehicle, but people rarely used it for that, and in every other way, the Transit is a better rig.

Darell_n
01-01-2016, 04:25 PM
My neighbor has a 1 yr old Mercedes 4wd Passenger Sprinter with off-road tires, that he tows with. Not sure what their ratings are. (Royal Board Shop owner)

Darell_n
01-01-2016, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Maxt
Thats true, but everyone I know with one of those has to put electrical tape over all the warning lights on the dashboard so they can see at night. :rofl:

That's a feature of all GM trucks over 100,000km.