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schocker
04-25-2016, 08:17 AM
Similar to the 718 boxster, 4cyl engine, refreshed looks in and out. 300 hp and the S is 350 hp. 0-60 on the S is 4.2 s now which is nice and zippy. Refresh looks good though.

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More pics
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7852802-Porsche-718-Cayman-family-unveiled-Features-the-same-updated-styling-features-and-turbocharged-flat-four-engines-as-the-718-Boxsters

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a28941/2017-porsche-718-cayman-debut/


The fourth, redeveloped generation of the mid-engine sport coupé has a more striking, athletic and efficient appearance. Just a few weeks after the debut of the new 718 Boxster, the new Porsche 718 Cayman is extending the new model series.

The same new four-cylinder flat engines with turbocharging as in the 718 Boxster are being deployed in the Porsche 718 Cayman. As a result, coupé and roadster have an identical engine output for the first time. The entry-level version is launching in China with an output of 184 kW (250 hp). In the other markets, the 718 Cayman produces 220 kW (300 hp) from two litres of displacement. There are no changes in the S model. Globally, the 718 Cayman S delivers 257 kW (350 hp) with a displacement of 2.5 litres.

The tremendous torque of the new engines in the Porsche 718 Cayman promises driving fun and agility even at low revs. Equipped with the two-litre version of the engine intended for China, the 718 Cayman delivers 310 Nm of torque at speeds ranging from 1,850 rpm to 5,000 rpm. The 220 kW (300 hp) version of the two-litre four-cylinder turbo for all other markets attains a torque of 380 Nm, which is available in a range between 1,950 and 4,500 rpm. The 2.5-litre engine of the 718 Cayman S features a turbocharger with variable turbine geometry (VTG), a technology hitherto used exclusively in the 911 Turbo. In the 718 Cayman S, the VTG charger additionally has a wastegate for the first time. It delivers up to 420 Nm (an extra 50 Nm) to the crankshaft at engine speeds ranging from 1,900 to 4,500 rpm. For the driver this means even better torque in all engine speed ranges. The 718 Cayman with PDK and optional Sport Chrono Package sprints from zero to 100 km/h in 4.7 seconds (5.4 seconds in China). The 718 Cayman S completes this sprint in 4.2 seconds. The top speed of the 718 Cayman is 275 km/h (260 km/h in China) while the 718 Cayman S manages 285 km/h.

New chassis tuning for greater precision and more lateral stability

In terms of their driving dynamics, the new Porsche 718 Cayman models follow in the tracks of the classic 718 cars. Thanks to their outstanding agility, the historic mid-engine sports cars won numerous races in the 1950s and 1960s such as the Targa Florio and Le Mans. Lateral rigidity and wheel tracking have been improved in the completely retuned chassis of the 718 Cayman; springs and stabilisers have been designed to be firmer and the tuning of the shock absorbers has been revised. The steering, which has been configured to be ten per cent more direct, enhances agility and driving fun. The rear wheels, which are one-half of an inch wider, in combination with the redeveloped tyres result in an increased lateral force potential and hence in greater cornering stability.

Driving dynamics options such as the Sport Chrono Package and Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV) allow the sporty character of the Porsche 718 Cayman to be further customised. Another available option is PASM with a 10-millimetre lowering of the ride height and additionally in the S model PASM sport suspension with a 20-millimetre lowering of the ride height for the first time. As in the other Porsche sports cars, the Sport Chrono Package can be adjusted via the programme switch on the steering wheel. Supplementing the previous settings of "Normal", "Sport" and "Sport Plus" is the "Individual" programme, which is able to call up previously programmed individual settings for various systems.

On account of the car's greater driving performance capabilities, stronger brake systems are now in use with 330-millimetre brake discs in front and 299-millimetre discs at the rear. The 718 Cayman now has the brake system that was previously used in the Cayman S. The 718 Cayman S, on the other hand, uses the four-piston callipers of the 911 Carrera with 6-millimetre thicker brake discs on the front axle.

Distinctive design for a more muscular appearance

Advances in the design of the new Porsche 718 Cayman are just as comprehensive as those affecting its technology: the taut proportions, prominent air intakes at the front and sides and low side profile underscore the boost in dynamics. The nose has a much sharper profile, which gives the front end a wider and more masculine appearance. The ultra-slim front lights above the air intakes, which contain the parking lights and indicators, further reinforce this impression. Rounding off the front end of the 718 Cayman, are the significantly larger cooling air intakes and bi-xenon headlights in their new design with integrated LED daytime running lights. LED headlights with four-point daytime running lights are available as a new option. Viewed from the side, the new sport coupé reveals its striking wings and side sills. The redesigned rear has a much wider look due to the accent strip in high-gloss black with integrated Porsche badge between the tail lights. The tail lights have been completely redesigned and are distinguished by the three-dimensional technology and four brake spots that appear to float freely.

Redesigned interior and PCM as standard

Inside, revisions are visible for both the Porsche 718 Cayman and the 718 Boxster. The upper part of the dash panel including air vents is new. The new sport steering wheel in the 918 Spyder design as well as the extensive connectivity options have now been added to the 718 cockpit along with the Porsche Communication Management (PCM) as a standard feature. Mobile phone preparation, audio interfaces and the 150-watt Sound Package Plus are all part of this standard. Options are available to extend the PCM. The Connect module, for example, includes special extensions for smartphones, such as the USB port, Apple CarPlay and Porsche Car Connect. Another available option is the navigation module with voice control, which makes it easy to input driving destinations. If the Connect Plus module is selected, this can be extended with real-time traffic information. Drivers can also make use of additional comprehensive services via their smartphone, which include the Porsche Connect App and Porsche Car Connect App.

The Porsche 718 Cayman and 718 Cayman S can be ordered now. Their market launch begins on September 24, 2016 in Europe and on December 3, 2016 in China.

heavyD
04-25-2016, 08:20 AM
I like the blue. Maybe time for Porsche to update their interiors. With every new release or refresh we are greeted with the same interior. Love the blue color.

A790
04-25-2016, 08:33 AM
I love the look of the Cayman :love:

BokCh0y
04-25-2016, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by A790
I love the look of the Cayman :love:

:werd:

JRSC00LUDE
04-25-2016, 11:56 AM
Yup, the Cayman has really grown on me more and more.

Darkane
04-25-2016, 01:08 PM
Also read that the S with the variable turbine will spin to 7500 rpm!

Very cool this day and age where revs are dying off.

killramos
04-25-2016, 01:13 PM
718 Cayman S is up on the website now:
http://www.porsche.com/canada/en/models/718/718-cayman-s/

Would love one but I spent too many years making fun of my dad's friends cayman to live it down :rofl:

schocker
04-25-2016, 01:31 PM
Went up in price a bit I am guessing due to the CDN$ but the most important thing I forgot to metion, the cayman is finally cheaper than the boxster!!!!!! :burnout:
$61,500 Cayman
$75,600 Cayman S
$63,900 Boxster
$78,000 Boxster S

Darkane
04-25-2016, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by schocker
Went up in price a bit I am guessing due to the CDN$ but the most important thing I forgot to metion, the cayman is finally cheaper than the boxster!!!!!! :burnout:
$61,500 Cayman
$75,600 Cayman S
$63,900 Boxster
$78,000 Boxster S

That's not gross for a base model. We're talking 300bhp, mid engine, balanced chassis car.

Doesn't really get much better.. Does it?

killramos
04-25-2016, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by Darkane


That's not gross for a base model. We're talking 300bhp, mid engine, balanced chassis car.

Doesn't really get much better.. Does it?

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Not mid engined but $-$ :dunno:

So base Cayman comes in right at M2 base price.

01RedDX
04-25-2016, 02:00 PM
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Darkane
04-25-2016, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by killramos


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Not mid engined but $-$ :dunno:

So base Cayman comes in right at M2 base price.

Hmm. Yeah okay ill bite.

Well although the BMW M2 is excellent for what it is - I don't know if it's in the same league as a 2900lb mid engine machine. It's 400lbs heavier.

I'd like to see a comparison for sure though. But I definitely forgot about the M2 Killramos. Thanks.

klumsy_tumbler
04-25-2016, 02:20 PM
The Cayman is so underrated... people only look at the numbers on paper and completely disregard driving dynamics.

We were looking at NUMEROUS other cars, many of which had at least 100+bhp on the Cayman, but once we actually test drove them all none of them even came close. The M2 looks like a great car (the M235i Track Edition and M3 were on our initial shopping list, among many others), but they're based off of regular sedans. The Cayman isn't based off of anything, it's just a purebred sports car.

Just my two cents :dunno:

As for the redesign, I LOVE the twin-tipped exhaust. Much better than the single bumhole-looking thing they had before. Would be interested to see the difference in feel of the new engine vs. our 987.

killramos
04-25-2016, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Darkane


Hmm. Yeah okay ill bite.

Well although the BMW M2 is excellent for what it is - I don't know if it's in the same league as a 2900lb mid engine machine. It's 400lbs heavier.

I'd like to see a comparison for sure though. But I definitely forgot about the M2 Killramos. Thanks.

It really really depends on a ton of things. I think M2 to Cayman S would end up very close as base model cars, Cayman S has more potential ( and you will pay for that potential in the way of options).

I think the M2 will squeak the non s in near every category though which is the $-$ competitor with the S a full 15k more.

On the previous gen I think it took the GTS to definitively put the M235i to rest in comparo's from what i remember.

It is an interesting segment for sure, exciting time for drivers.

I think a base 718 GTS will be DEADLY with a turbo 6.

01RedDX
04-25-2016, 02:30 PM
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schocker
04-25-2016, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by killramos
It really really depends on a ton of things. I think M2 to Cayman S would end up very close as base model cars, Cayman S has more potential ( and you will pay for that potential in the way of options).

I think the M2 will squeak the non s in near every category though which is the $-$ competitor with the S a full 15k more.

On the previous gen I think it took the GTS to definitively put the M235i to rest in comparo's from what i remember.

It is an interesting segment for sure, exciting time for drivers.

I think a base 718 GTS will be DEADLY with a turbo 6.

I would take the cayman ever single day, but $61k base for the M2 basically loaded except for the automatic seems like a pretty good deal since every time I build a m4 it ballons up to $100k :rofl:

Darkane
04-25-2016, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by killramos


It really really depends on a ton of things. I think M2 to Cayman S would end up very close as base model cars, Cayman S has more potential ( and you will pay for that potential in the way of options).

I think the M2 will squeak the non s in near every category though which is the $-$ competitor with the S a full 15k more.

On the previous gen I think it took the GTS to definitively put the M235i to rest in comparo's from what i remember.

It is an interesting segment for sure, exciting time for drivers.

I think a base 718 GTS will be DEADLY with a turbo 6.

I think an S will take an M2 in testing this time. It's got torque and Porsches ability to go way faster than perceived power shows. I predict 3.9 seconds 0-60 on the S.

GTS won't come with a 6, although I've read they may keep the GTS' and GT-3/4 all NA. we'll see.



Originally posted by 01RedDX


This 100%. Purebred sports car heritage.

Yes love this. It's a Cayman, not a 320i.

Largely the same thing Ford did. Take the mustang, aluminize it, nuts engine and voila. Gotta say ford did a hell of a job and I love it.

killramos
04-25-2016, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by schocker


I would take the cayman ever single day, but $61k base for the M2 basically loaded except for the automatic seems like a pretty good deal since every time I build a m4 it ballons up to $100k :rofl:

I estimated a 718 s price using the boxter configurator online and i was well north of 100.

I think a stripper version of these cars makes sense, but $$$ Porsche options make them uncompetitive for my dollars very quickly.


Originally posted by Darkane


I think an S will take an M2 in testing this time. It's got torque and Porsches ability to go way faster than perceived power shows. I predict 3.9 seconds 0-60 on the S.

GTS won't come with a 6, although I've read they may keep the GTS' and GT-3/4 all NA. we'll see.



Torque differential definitely hurt the last gens I agree 100%. These new ones will be very different beasts, but how much better than the competition they will be no one can say. I am interested to see how they stack up.

I have driven caymans, I wasn't nearly as wowed as the "pure sportscar heritage" hype suggests. Hopefully this gen changes my mind, I am always game for a new great car on the road.

Buster
04-25-2016, 02:52 PM
I think the Euro emissions laws are really starting to hurt the german car makers. Unless you take the next step up on the food chain (AMG GT-S, R8, some 911's), you are starting to see the required changes impact the cars.

The Cayman looks good, but there is no way I'd take the turbo 4 over the flat 6.

The M3/4 went from being the best in the world, to getting beat by the Camaro in head to head tests.

I'm sure there are other examples.

Meanwhile, we have the domestics producing the GT350, the new Camaro SS, the Vette, even the Viper. The idea of spending the $$ on an M3/4 or even an M2 nowadays seems less likely.

Xtrema
04-25-2016, 02:54 PM
Everyone who tested the 718 misses the exhaust of the old flat 6. This one sounds like a WRX but that's the only fault they found.

Buster
04-25-2016, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Xtrema
Everyone who tested the 718 misses the exhaust of the old flat 6. This one sounds like a WRX but that's the only fault they found.

I'm sure it is fantastic, didn't mean to suggest otherwise. But I start to wonder why we are paying high-end prices for a motor that is comparable to a WRX motor.

schocker
04-25-2016, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Buster
I'm sure it is fantastic, didn't mean to suggest otherwise. But I start to wonder why we are paying high-end prices for a motor that is comparable to a WRX motor.
How is that anything comparable though, that is like saying the legacy is comparable to the 911. Downsizing and turbos is going to be the way things go, so less weight and more power is a big plus in my books.

This video shows off the engine a bit.
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Buster
04-25-2016, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by schocker

How is that anything comparable though, that is like saying the legacy is comparable to the 911. Downsizing and turbos is going to be the way things go, so less weight and more power is a big plus in my books.

This video shows off the engine a bit.
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Perhaps the recent comparisons between the M4 and the Camaro are a better example. It's the way the europeans are going, but it's not the way everyone is going - at least all the time. Which is my point. The Euro emissions laws are allowing the more conventional products to surpass the germans in some categories.

Skyline_Addict
04-25-2016, 03:37 PM
These look great. Probably drive like a dream too.