AMG GT R

[Agent_Oorange]

Not quite what I was hoping for, that grille :barf:

Needs more power and a better name.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/24/2018-mercedes-amg-gt-r-unveiled-news/

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[flipstah]

Looks like metal fencing.

I LOVE IT.

[Hallowed_point]

Looks like an AMG Viper to me. Not a dig though, very sexy. Love the green

[rage2]

So the Black Series moniker is officially dead? The GT R mods are exactly the same as what they do for Black Series cars. The grill has grown on me since it was introduced in the GT3.

[killramos]

Incredible. New top of want list.

[Agent_Oorange]

Originally posted by rage2
So the Black Series moniker is officially dead? The GT R mods are exactly the same as what they do for Black Series cars. The grill has grown on me since it was introduced in the GT3.

Looks that way, I'm still hoping for a BS version with offensively wide fenders, but that looks increasingly unlikely.

[Redlined_8000]

Looks great! Power is good too. Should be a nice car for people in the 200-250k market. The green is a meh color.

[bjstare]

I'm a big fan. That grille is awesome, it adds a bit of retro flavour.

[G-ZUS]

:hitit:

[benyl]

I like the BS wide fender treatment a lot more. More in your face.

[BokCh0y]

:eek: :bigpimp: :love: :poosie: :clap:

[Darkane]

Hmm. Is this car 622hp, 8,000 RPMs 6.2L special though?

[Buster]

I think I would do a rear spoiler delete

[nismodrifter]

Also iffy on that front grille but otherwise looks deadly, I actually think it could use a more aggressive rear spoiler

[Neil4Speed]

I like the front grille, the color is lame

[ercchry]

So if bmw got all pissy are Nissan for using M for an Infiniti.... Will Nissan get all pissy at MB for GT.... R?

[Darkane]

Originally posted by ercchry
So if bmw got all pissy are Nissan for using M for an Infiniti.... Will Nissan get all pissy at MB for GT.... R?

Well they better wait for the Ford GT-R too. Save on legal.

[atgilchrist]

Sat in the regular GT S last week, the proportions are cool, but tiny cabin, which surprised me for a MB.

[georgemagana]

Car looks deadly!

[Sugarphreak]

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[HiTempguy1]

Car is ugly :barf: Maybe if you like cars designed like they are from a 1980's batman movie this one looks good... Or are philipino, looks just gaudy enough :rofl:

[rage2]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Another brightly painted Merc sedan dressed up for "performance" for hundreds of thousands of dollars with more power than it can actually use.... :zzz:

Next week a red one with an additional letter added to the end will be available! Maybe an X, or an S.
Sedan? More power than it can use? Did you even read the article? :rofl:

[Sugarphreak]

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[Maxt]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
Car is ugly :barf: Maybe if you like cars designed like they are from a 1980's batman movie this one looks good... Or are philipino, looks just gaudy enough :rofl:
Sums it up pretty well...

[ercchry]

The guy that owns a $30k fwd fiesta is complaining about amg's.... There has got to be some irony in here somewhere :rofl:

[flipstah]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
Car is ugly :barf: Maybe if you like cars designed like they are from a 1980's batman movie this one looks good... Or are philipino, looks just gaudy enough :rofl:

If you're going to insult us, at least spell 'Filipino' right!

[rage2]

It's like Sugarphreak travelled back in time 10 years and made that post. :rofl:

AMGs haven't handled like shit since the late 2000s (unless you want to count the big sedans and SUVs). And ya your guess is completely wrong. The GT is a completely independent platform just for the GT. They didn't add a lot of power, and made an already great sports car better with fancy technology such as active aero. The thing was built on and for the Nurburgring.

I mean, the base GT S won drivers car of the year. :dunno:

[spikerS]

That grille needs to change, needs to be smaller, thinner....

the lower grille looks fine, it's just the signature MB grille does not suit the lines on the nose...

Otherwise, it is one of the first MB cars I really liked the look of.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by rage2
I mean, the base GT S won drivers car of the year. :dunno: Clearly an irrelevant study as the car only comes in automatic transmission.

[Sugarphreak]

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[bjstare]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Pffftt.... 30K, you are giving me way too much credit here :rofl:

Ok, fair enough... I went back and read the article. This is how my guesses about the car turned out:

1) I guessed some sort of forced induction V8.... it has a 4L twin turbo V8. So that was correct
2) I guessed it would be between 500 and 650hp, mainly because they seem to think that anything less than 500hp is not enough, and anything over 700 is worth a lot more money. So How much did it have? 577hp... again, totally correct
3) I guessed it would have a 0-60 around 3-ish seconds. Mainly because to get better they would need something with AWD and they only do stupid idiotic RWD cars with too much power, so it is always limited by that. So how fast... well a bit slower, but still close at 3.5 seconds. I think I am going to claim the win on this guess as well.
4) No AMG is complete without giant custom wheels, I guessed 19 or 20"... they did "Special lightweight wheels" in a staggered 19"/20" combination. Got that one right too
5) An AMG gimmick... had to hunt for this in the article, but they put a rear-steering system on this car. That totally qualifies IMO
6) new grill... admittedly, I saw the photo in the thread, but this was an easy one to guess anyway. They went with verticle lines, whereas on other models they went with speed holes or mesh
7) Painted an extreme colour, again, I saw the photo... but there is no surprise they went with lime green instead of something you can drive down the street without being an attention whore.
8) Profit from fanboys? Probably...

So basically, I had a perfect slam dunk guess


OK, so it sounds like you're hating on that car... but aside from the grill and color (subjective things) - why would you hate on a car with a force fed V8 that makes over 500hp in a car that handles well and does 0-60 in the 3s range? Yup, that car sounds like a total POS :rolleyes:

[Sugarphreak]

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[flipstah]

That yellow one is an electric version:

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That's pretty innovative IMO.

[riander5]

Looks sweet. But I'd just buy a standard AMG GT and get it tuned. Save 120k

I feel like that is a common mindset of people who cant afford either anyways :D

[bjstare]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


I think you are misinterpreting what I am saying. I never said it was a POS, and I am not necessarily hating on the car itself.

What I am saying is that Mercedes builds these new exciting extreme performance cars, and they keep using the same worn out formula, so they end up being predictable and lame. If you are going to build a car nobody can afford, it should at least have an effect on people, but when I look at the picture all I can think is "Didn't they do this in Yellow last month?". BORING...

We already have a German company that does this, Porsche, only they actually do it well

I do get what you're saying, I just don't agree.

For me, predictable =/= lame. Look at the last few mid-level ferraris (430, 458, 488). Aside from the 488 going turbo, they're all evolutionary (as opposed to revolutionary, which would turn your crank), and they all follow the same formula. I definitely wouldn't say they're lame though. Also, I find it hilarious that you say porsche can do it well. Their formula has been the same for like 4 decades!

edit: I misread your porsche statement, so ignore that. I am curious about why you think they do it well vs. MB doing it poorly.

Having said all that, whether you (or I) think something is lame is obviously subjective haha, so it becomes a silly debate. I'm curious now though, say you have $300k to spend on a car like this... where is your money going?

[killramos]

So are you saying that AMG should built a new car platform and engine every 2 years? Because the AMG GT platform is practically brand new.

As for making fun of ostentatious colors. What color is your Fiesta again?

As for a car no one can afford. I imagine they have sold every single one before you ever commented on the PR.

Considering the car was built with the express purpose of going head to head with Porsche, you saying they are doing the same thing as the 911 is all the compliments this car needs.

Just my $0.02, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think the AMG GT in all its forms is awesome. If money was no object i would buy one.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
So basically, I had a perfect slam dunk guess

I also said it would handle like poo without the traction control on. From what I am reading, they solved that by just making it impossible to turn off :rofl:
The problem here is that you're making guesses based on broad generalizations of most sports cars and skipping on what makes this car perform well. Widened suspension, active aero, but you nit pick on rear wheel steering. As for traction control, read the release carefully. You can turn it off. The 9 modes are e-diff settings that you can adjust to suit the conditions.

I think everyone else covered the remaining points, no need to circle jerk the arguments haha.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


I think you are misinterpreting what I am saying. I never said it was a POS, and I am not necessarily hating on the car itself.

What I am saying is that Mercedes builds these new exciting extreme performance cars, and they keep using the same worn out formula, so they end up being predictable and lame. If you are going to build a car nobody can afford, it should at least have an effect on people, but when I look at the picture all I can think is "Didn't they do this in Yellow last month?". BORING...

We already have a German company that does this, Porsche, only they actually do it well

You really need to drive one instead bench racing based on numbers.

It is not surgical like Porsche but it not a sledge hammer like Lambo either.

I would say from experience it's closest would be Z06 but with way better interior.

Styling is subjective. I can respect that grill is not going to win over everyone.

[Sugarphreak]

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[ercchry]

Race mode is typically very little electronic interference... And just go to vegas and drive them all!

[roopi]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak

So basically, I had a perfect slam dunk guess



One day you will be wrong at something. The perfection streak continues though. :rolleyes:

[rage2]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I was actually reading up on before that post and I couldn't find any reviews or articles where they actually turned the system off and then went for a drive around a track. From the articles I read, it seemed like there was 9 systems to pick from, and if you wanted to go on the track you threw it in "race car" mode.
That's because nobody has driven the GT R yet, just the GT and GT S. The article in the OP states specifically that it's to control the rear axel slip rate and only available when ESP is off.


Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I just assumed it was totally undrivable with TC off and that was why nobody was talking about it, although if you have a review the contrary I would be interested. I'd like nothing more than just to see them break the stereotype.
You want me to find an article to disprove your assumption? :rofl:

Why don't you find an article that says the GT drives like shit with TC off? Or even the last halo car, the SLS Black Series?

I'll give you a little bit of credit though, your undrivable comment was 100% true for the SL65 Black Series in terms of big dollar AMG halo cars.

[Sugarphreak]

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[rage2]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I wasn't comparing it to the 911, and furthermore I wouldn't have guessed this would even get cross-shopped by somebody looking at 911's. I was comparing Mercedes tendency to have a tons of variants to Porsches tendencies to do the same. Only I find Porsche to be more consistent and organized in their approach Fair enough... I thought the GT was an amazing car when it came out, but I feel bored by the endless variants.

Let me put it another way.. I make a few decent posts on Beyond every so often, but I am sure people get annoyed/bored with my post whoring after a while. Basically AMG is just post whoring with the GT at this point.
MB built the GT to compete with the 911. They're going to whore out multiple variants just like the 911 to compete at every segment the 911 sells in. MB/AMG said so themselves.

[killramos]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak

Mostly I am saying they should back off on the special editions. If Audi released a new version of the R8 every 2 months it would get just as annoying.

Forget colours, I am going to start making fun of you for using the word "ostentatious" in a sentence on Beyond :D

I don't really know of anybody who can afford this car. Do you?

I wasn't comparing it to the 911, and furthermore I wouldn't have guessed this would even get cross-shopped by somebody looking at 911's. I was comparing Mercedes tendency to have a tons of variants to Porsches tendencies to do the same. Only I find Porsche to be more consistent and organized in their approach

Fair enough... I thought the GT was an amazing car when it came out, but I feel bored by the endless variants.

Let me put it another way.. I make a few decent posts on Beyond every so often, but I am sure people get annoyed/bored with my post whoring after a while. Basically AMG is just post whoring with the GT at this point.


Ummm Audi did EXACTLY that with the last R8, I have no doubts they will do the same thing with the new one.

:rolleyes:

Yes I do lol, first thing I did when I saw the release on FB was pass it on to a couple people I knew would be interested. You see how many 911 GT3's and Turbo's there are in Calgary alone? Lots of stupid wealthy people in this city.:dunno:

See Rage's comment, re this being AMG's 911 killer. It's their exact target segment.

This is literally the third one in 2 years, this car was released in 2014. We only fairly recently even got the plain GT ( non s ) in Canada.

There are plenty of reasons to dislike this car, but the ones you seem to be zeroing in on seem VERY flawed lol

[Sugarphreak]

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[killramos]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


I disagree, if you go to the Audi Website.. they have one "R8 Coupé"

There is no R8 R or R8 GT, or R8 Black... there is an R8, and you can pick one of two engine options.


Are you just trolling at this point?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R8#First_generation_.282007.E2.80.932012.29

Believe what you want to believe man, they made enough versions of that car to fill a costco :rofl:

There are already 4 versions of the second gen R8: R8 V10, R8 V10 plus, R8 e-Tron, and R8 V10 Spyder I would just expand your investigative horizons beyond the Canadian brand website :rofl:

[Sugarphreak]

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[rage2]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
3 Engine options across multiple countries and a drop top version hardly count as entirely new variants of the car

When I say "Audi R8"... you pretty much know what to expect

To be fair, the GT has only 2 variants. The GT and GT S being the "base" model (differing in power and options), and the GT R being the track model.

The last gen AMG sports car, the SLS had 3 variants. The SLS/SLS GT, the SLS Black Series track special, and the electric SLS ED.

I'm not even going to count those edition 1, final edition, matt edition and other silly trim levels with stupid names. Just like the R8 they're just silly names for the same car at a different trim/package levels.

So when someone says AMG SLS or AMG GT, we all know what to expect. Except for you apparently haha.

[ercchry]

It's like focus, focus st, and focus rs... But apparently that's not an issue

[Sugarphreak]

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[rage2]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I am just preparing for the onslaught of GT variants to come out over the next few years though (cue my Nostradamus fans)

Frankly I have no idea what to expect when somebody says GT... could be a V8, could be an electric car, could be AWD, could have 6 wheels... all I know is it will be brightly colored and probably have a funky grill!
I don't even know how to reply to something that hasn't happened. As for the colors, it's nothing new using silly looking colors for show cars. It's not like it only comes in that color.

[Sugarphreak]

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[rage2]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Really though, for 200~300K, I expect to be able to order it in any colour I want.
What's hilarious is that Porsche, who you claim is doing it right, doesn't allow you to do that with their halo GT3 RS. You're limited to 2 look at me colors (purple and orange), and white and silver for standard paint. If you are a chosen one, you can get them to do PTS custom color, but that's so rare and limited and only for the biggest Porsche collectors that the paint alone is commanding $150k markup in the secondary market right now. For a fucking color lol.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
That is a completely different issue from the colour they pick for the marketing of the car. My underlying point about the colour is that MB can't just find a nice normal colour that actually compliments the car, it has to be some sort of an all consuming extreme attention whore paint job.

That's quite a specific thing to pick on for a show car.

I think killramos is right that most Audi's went thru quite a few different special editions. And it's not just the R8, even S4 and RS line as well. While you may not see them in North America, the editions (usually at end of model cycle) do happen to Audi as well.

That said, the direction MB is taking with AMG does seems to be erratic for that last few years.