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Do any German CUV's or SUV's have an option for a 5/6spd?
jwslam
07-12-2016, 02:58 PM
Rarely
http://www.kijiji.ca/b-cars-trucks/calgary/suv+crossover-audi__bmw__mercedes+benz__porsche__volkswagen/c174l1700199a138a54?transmission=1
rage2
07-12-2016, 03:24 PM
2016 MT cars.
http://oppositelock.kinja.com/every-manual-transmission-available-today-2016-edition-1754041601
Sugarphreak
07-12-2016, 03:29 PM
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GTR_Auto
07-12-2016, 03:58 PM
None new that I know about
Its rare to come by a X5, X3, Cayenne with a manual but they are out there!
InRich
07-12-2016, 04:02 PM
OP... wanna know what car blew me away, if you wanna get a manual german car...
the golf R... WOW! what an amazing car for that price! I highly recommend you go test drive it. Even the GTI, extremely fun! I almost bought one off our VW beyonder sales guy. and I will in the future if I ever decide to get one.
redline
07-12-2016, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by InRich
OP... wanna know what car blew me away, if you wanna get a manual german car...
the golf R... WOW! what an amazing car for that price! I highly recommend you go test drive it. Even the GTI, extremely fun! I almost bought one off our VW beyonder sales guy. and I will in the future if I ever decide to get one.
Yes cause when asking about SUV and OP might cross shop a hot hatch...:confused: :confused: :dunno: :dunno:
The woman wants a german CUV that's manual.
I'm about to break her heart.
Really she was hoping to get a mercedes/bmw cuv/small suv type of car in manual. We spent a bunch of time in europe recently and she fell in love with glk's.
She currently drives a 335 xi. Manual.
I might have to work her into a DSG car. I really want a DSG car.
Thanks ya'll.
:goflames:
redline
07-12-2016, 04:57 PM
I think manuals in that segment as ultra rare as most people that buy these things don't want to row gears...
As the list posted by rage true manuals are a dying and are not offer very often any more cause the take rates on them are sooooo small
I pitched the tiguan based on your research jws.
She said she'd rather a Q5. I argued that they are essentially the same car. Thanks for the tip though. She might have to settle with that if manual is truly the only option.
Originally posted by redline
I think manuals in that segment as ultra rare as most people that buy these things don't want to row gears...
As the list posted by rage true manuals are a dying and are not offer very often any more cause the take rates on them are sooooo small
Excellent point.
Especially for the north american market.
With that said, I'd estimate that it was nearly a 60/40 split for manual/other transmission choices from what we saw in Italy. That is what makes this shopping experience such a hard pill for us both to contend with.
Aleks
07-13-2016, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by redline
Yes cause when asking about SUV and OP might cross shop a hot hatch...:confused: :confused: :dunno: :dunno:
A Tiguan is basically a Golf that's been lifted slightly. It doesn't offer any appreciable increase is room inside for passengers/cargo.
flipstah
07-13-2016, 09:14 AM
A Tiguan in manual is also just FWD. I think that's the same layout with an X3 with a stick.
Cayenne?
Sugarphreak
07-13-2016, 09:20 AM
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rage2
07-13-2016, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by R154
With that said, I'd estimate that it was nearly a 60/40 split for manual/other transmission choices from what we saw in Italy. That is what makes this shopping experience such a hard pill for us both to contend with.
Depends on the car. Economy cars, sure, but for SUV's and luxury cars, the take rate is still mostly automatics.
Even the Panamera had a manual option in Europe, and nobody bought 'em. They sold something like 20 lol.
SkiBum5.0
07-13-2016, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by flipstah
A Tiguan in manual is also just FWD. I think that's the same layout with an X3 with a stick.
Cayenne?
The pre-2011 X3's had AWD and a stick but were pretty rare. I believe they only came in the 28i model.
HiTempguy1
07-13-2016, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by R154
She currently drives a 335 xi. Manual.
Get a wagon version? #closeenough
If you want to get real serious, through some coilovers on and raise it a bit :rofl:
We saw lots of diesel GLK's, Q3's and a couple Volvo's (not german, I know) with a sticks.
Shes going to go test drive a GLA for the DSG transmission this evening. But she is really still wishing for a manual vehicle.
Might end up pushing her towards a wagon?
Sugarphreak
07-13-2016, 02:08 PM
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rage2
07-13-2016, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I always wonder why we don't see more cars imported from Germany here... they have KM/H speedo's and the steering wheel is on the proper side
Because used cars in Japan are worthless and sold dirt cheap, while similar cars from Europe are a lot more expensive relatively speaking.
rage2
07-13-2016, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by R154
Shes going to go test drive a GLA for the DSG transmission this evening. But she is really still wishing for a manual vehicle.
GLA45 ftw. Make sure you find a 2016, the transmission shifts way better.
Redlyne_mr2
07-13-2016, 03:10 PM
You can get the tiguans in fwd manual! Its basically a raised gti.
riander5
07-13-2016, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by R154
Do any German CUV's or SUV's have an option for a 5/6spd?
lol
are you daft
Originally posted by riander5
lol
are you daft
She wants a manual man. I already tried my best to convince her otherwise.
She wants what she wants. Will not drive a domestic or a Japanese car. Drives me absolutely nuts.
She "doesnt mind" the GLA. Now that we are in that segment she is willing to try a golf R and a Macan. She liked my A3 but said it was to small. She isnt going to like the golf.
The price differential is massive between the Macan and the GLA. she doesn't care.
Most frustrating car buying experience.
rage2
07-13-2016, 10:18 PM
There's a huge price gap between GTI/Golf R, GLA45, and Macan. You buy the Golf for best bang for the buck $ to performance, GLA45 for the performance, and Macan for the bling factor and best interior. Macan turbo if you want performance as well and money is no object.
03ozwhip
07-13-2016, 10:42 PM
just watched a new show on netflix called head 2 head and they had a comparison on the macan turbo and the GLA45 and the price difference at 20k US is purely for the fact that you have a porsche.
I don't know how credible the host is of the show, but he says hands down the GLA45 is the better vehicle 9/10 times. it actually makes me wish I sprung for it instead of the X1...Oh well, Rage, let me know when youre ready to trade yours in lol
flipstah
07-13-2016, 11:14 PM
Diesel GLK with a stick? Sounds like my prefect winter beater lol.
Sugarphreak
07-14-2016, 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by rage2
There's a huge price gap between GTI/Golf R, GLA45, and Macan. You buy the Golf for best bang for the buck $ to performance, GLA45 for the performance, and Macan for the bling factor and best interior. Macan turbo if you want performance as well and money is no object.
So we drove a Macan S. Back to back with another test drive in the GLA45. We both prefer the GLA45. The porsche, while very nicely appointed, just didnt have the same feeling of excitement in the same-ish trim and relative power level.
German cars carry a build style, not just the cache. That's what she likes about them. At the end of the day, she likes what she likes.
You're bang on about the porsche comment. While her work is relatively stable, it would be outside of her price range to go for the turbo.
I have 1 euro, have only owned 1 other euro. The rest of my cars are Japanese, older and modified. With that said I would love a W8.
Originally posted by flipstah
Diesel GLK with a stick? Sounds like my prefect winter beater lol.
RIGHT!?!? That's the car that spurred all this on. If Brexit manages to fall through we are on our way out the door. I love Canada. But I love me some diesel options, too.
How's the Mini treating you?
rage2
07-14-2016, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by 03ozwhip
just watched a new show on netflix called head 2 head and they had a comparison on the macan turbo and the GLA45 and the price difference at 20k US is purely for the fact that you have a porsche.
I don't know how credible the host is of the show, but he says hands down the GLA45 is the better vehicle 9/10 times. it actually makes me wish I sprung for it instead of the X1...Oh well, Rage, let me know when youre ready to trade yours in lol
Think this is what you're referring to. It's a MT weekly segment.
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Originally posted by R154
So we drove a Macan S. Back to back with another test drive in the GLA45. We both prefer the GLA45. The porsche, while very nicely appointed, just didnt have the same feeling of excitement in the same-ish trim and relative power level.
It's not really a fair fight when it comes to handling dynamics. The GLA isn't really an SUV. It's a car with a jacked up suspension to make it into a faux SUV. The AMG version lowers it back down to the A45/CLA45 level rideheight that the car is based on which is why it drives like a car.
Sugarphreak
07-14-2016, 08:37 AM
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To be fair, neither her or I drove it in a rage2 approved manner. I mean the power delivery and relative balance just seemed different in a not quite as desirable way. Not horrible, just not as 'tight' or 'thrilling' as I would have expected. I mean the Cayenne GTS feels 'tight' for its size. Whereas the Macan was slightly disappointing. Just felt so refined in a I don't want to spill my latte sort of way. Not for me. Not for that kind of money.
Last cars we are going to look at, sheerly to cover it off, are the Q3 and a GLC. I know she'll hate them because they both dont have dsg type transmissions & no power compared to the GLA/Macan. I guess if they have one at royal oak we will look at an SQ5. I meant we did start off looking for a SUV... then allowed the car-u-v in.
We havent bothered with the X1. Making a mistake, are we?
gpomp
07-14-2016, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I find that presenter to be insanely biased... he is your classic VW bearded hipster, so you can always guess which car he is going to favor. His personal car is Fiesta ST so does that make you a VW bearded hipster as well? :dunno:
rage2
07-14-2016, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by R154
We havent bothered with the X1. Making a mistake, are we?
If you're looking at new only, the new X1 is terrible compared to the old one. Start here on the X1 discussions and why 03ozwhip went with a last gen X1.
http://forums.beyond.ca/st2/apparently-i-need-a-bigger-car/showthread.php?s=&postid=4561119#post4561119
Sugarphreak
07-14-2016, 03:11 PM
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Definitely not new only. Preferred, but not mandatory. '10 is as low as she will go though, <30km.
Hmm, interesting discussion.
So. '16 GLA45 here we go.
rage2
07-21-2016, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by R154
So. '16 GLA45 here we go.
Nice. How are the deals on the '16s right now since the '17's are a few months away (assuming they don't get another 6 month delay).
flipstah
07-21-2016, 09:40 AM
Ooo sale?
I'll let you know tonight.
cam_wmh
07-25-2016, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by R154
She wants a manual man. I already tried my best to convince her otherwise.
She wants what she wants. Will not drive a domestic or a Japanese car. Drives me absolutely nuts.
She sounds awesome haha.
She "doesnt mind" the GLA. Now that we are in that segment she is willing to try a golf R and a Macan. She liked my A3 but said it was to small. She isnt going to like the golf.
The price differential is massive between the Macan and the GLA. she doesn't care.
Most frustrating car buying experience.
8P A3? They're par with a MK4 GTi.
Suggest a VW 3 generations newer & have her try the new R. Night & day compared to the 15 yr old Audi.
EDIT/CAVEAT. Only suggesting the VW, if manual is a hill she's gonna die on. Much better other vehicles listed otherwise.
She bought a 16' GLA45. She said she'll drive my s4 when she wants a manual fix.
Love her, but god damn.
npham
07-25-2016, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by R154
She bought a 16' GLA45. She said she'll drive my s4 when she wants a manual fix.
Love her, but god damn.
What sort of deal did you end up getting?
Middle of the road deal. Some people have paid more (maybe 1.5K) some people paid less (unknown how much less likey around 1ish K). But it was the first time we have bought from Lonestar. Going in we didnt think we'd get an incredible deal.
We didnt use their financing program.
3M was included. That was about it.
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