dog barking next door, redux

[Buster]

So my neighbor has too little schnauzer type dogs. They bark a lot. They go INSANE when my kids are out playing.

It's terrible.

What makes this a bit different is that they feel very bad about the dog barking. They practically ran up to us when we moved in talk to us about it, apologizing in advance.

They're really nice people. Their kids are really nice. We like them.

So it's not like I want to take a really nasty approach to this. But it seems to me that if you know your dogs bark, there are things that can be done.

Isn't de-barking a really simply procedure, and not actually cruel as people seem to suggest? Is there some reason this might not be done?

I know I could do the whole 311 thing, but I'd rather not go down that road.

[suntan]

Some people don't really give a shit. Apologies are free, dog training costs money.

[JohnnyHockey]

Our dogs bark a lot...I bought them these bark collars for $30 each and they work like a charm. ..you can set to either emit a high pitch beep or vibrate. ..no shock so they are humane. I'd suggest printing out the ad for them. ..mine were from CT. They might not know about these things...

[vengie]

1) The owners need to take control of their fence (house). The dogs have claimed possession and are defending their territory.

The owner needs to calmly get in between the dog and the fence while the dog is barking, and back him/her away and get them to lay down in their "place" or bed. This will need to be done A LOT to start the habit. Also, they need to likely take control of their house as well. They likely have their dogs all over their furniture etc creating the stigma in the dogs mind that they are on equal terms with their humans thus taking ownership of the house.

Very common problem with "lap" dogs.

2) The use of a citronella collar will help discourage their barking.

[Buster]

I did some research on the high pitch thingies that you can set up to stop the dogs from barking. But apparently they are junk. I did do some reading on ones that are custom built and REALLY loud.

The neighbors on the other side of us REALLY hate these dogs, and they have been here for much longer. The dog owners also had some massive issues with the previous owner of our house. So they basically acknowledge the problem. They just don't appear willing to go to any length to solve it.

Isn't the easiest solution the surgery thing?

[vengie]

Originally posted by Buster

Isn't the easiest solution the surgery thing?

Extremely inhumane.

The easiest solution is for the owners to start being responsible fucking owners and take control of their dogs.

This pisses me off to no end.

[Buster]

Q: Is this a "cruel and barbaric procedure?"

A: No. People with little or no experience raising naturally noisy and talkative breeds may tell you this. People with breeds like Shetland Sheepdogs (Shelties) can tell you that this procedure is simple and that it saves lives of dogs that might otherwise be dumped in the pound for their barking. Debarking is a more simple procedure than removing the uterus in spaying or removing testicles in neutering.

Q: Do dogs suffer emotionally from debarking?

A: It is a huge myth to suggest dogs are emotionally disturbed by debarking. Debarked dogs can bark. Even if reduced sound comes out of their mouths, they don't seem to notice at all! Debarked dogs that are not being constantly disciplined for barking, in fact, tend to be much happier dogs!

Q: Is it true that only criminals and drug dealers debark dogs?

http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/article/debarking-bark-softening-myths-and-facts#sthash.enVV32Vu.dpbs

[ercchry]

I have big dogs... But an actual shock collar is magic, you beep them while giving the command you want, if they don't listen you give them a zap. Works so well that I don't have to zap more than once every few days if that

When I don't have it handy I've gone old school... Little nip on the ear, turns the big tough retard dog into a little pussy

But really, as a neighbor you can't train their dogs for them... So not much you can do but yell at them to shut up when the humans are in ear shot... My parents have newer neighbors with a pair of little rat dogs that bark all day too... My mom loves dogs but even she can't stand it, they have yet to find a solution and it's probably been at least 3 years

[vengie]

Originally posted by Buster
Q: Is this a "cruel and barbaric procedure?"

A: No. People with little or no experience raising naturally noisy and talkative breeds may tell you this. People with breeds like Shetland Sheepdogs (Shelties) can tell you that this procedure is simple and that it saves lives of dogs that might otherwise be dumped in the pound for their barking. Debarking is a more simple procedure than removing the uterus in spaying or removing testicles in neutering.

Q: Do dogs suffer emotionally from debarking?

A: It is a huge myth to suggest dogs are emotionally disturbed by debarking. Debarked dogs can bark. Even if reduced sound comes out of their mouths, they don't seem to notice at all! Debarked dogs that are not being constantly disciplined for barking, in fact, tend to be much happier dogs!

Q: Is it true that only criminals and drug dealers debark dogs?

http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/article/debarking-bark-softening-myths-and-facts#sthash.enVV32Vu.dpbs

Would be no different than removing your vocal cords.

Why punish the dog for negligence of the owner?


The unfortunate reality with people (arrogance) is they love the idea of having a dog, but don't give a shit to raise it properly and then dump it to the pound when it gets hard.

[Disoblige]

Originally posted by vengie

The easiest solution is for the owners to start being responsible fucking owners and take control of their dogs.
This. If more people put in the effort and time to raise their dogs instead of the "dogs will be dogs" mentality, what a difference in the world we would live in.

I have 2 shiba inu's that drive me crazy sometimes. But they are very trainable if you put in some time, effort, and research.

Same logic with kids, really.

[Abeo]

Originally posted by Buster
Q: Is this a "cruel and barbaric procedure?"

A: No. People with little or no experience raising naturally noisy and talkative breeds may tell you this. <snip>

lol, wtf?


http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/article/debarking-bark-softening-myths-and-facts#sthash.enVV32Vu.dpbs


The National Animal Interest Alliance is a front group and industry funded lobbying organization for animal commerce and agribusiness.

I wouldn't put too much weight into that article.

Also, humane or inhumane, if the owners are lazy and think apologizing is the answer rather than training, the problem will just shift around.

[vengie]

Originally posted by Buster
Q: Is this a &quot;cruel and barbaric procedure?&quot;

A: No. People with little or no experience raising naturally noisy and talkative breeds may tell you this. People with breeds like Shetland Sheepdogs (Shelties) can tell you that this procedure is simple and that it saves lives of dogs that might otherwise be dumped in the pound for their barking. Debarking is a more simple procedure than removing the uterus in spaying or removing testicles in neutering.

Q: Do dogs suffer emotionally from debarking?

A: It is a huge myth to suggest dogs are emotionally disturbed by debarking. Debarked dogs can bark. Even if reduced sound comes out of their mouths, they don't seem to notice at all! Debarked dogs that are not being constantly disciplined for barking, in fact, tend to be much happier dogs!

Q: Is it true that only criminals and drug dealers debark dogs?

http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/article/debarking-bark-softening-myths-and-facts#sthash.enVV32Vu.dpbs

A little further down in the same page

Q: Do people debark just to avoid training their dogs?

A: The majority of people who debark have run out of options and are trying to be good neighbors. We are not talking about people who are irresponsible and leave their dogs out all night or ignore chronic barking. We are talking about people who understand that the piercing bark of a Sheltie, even on limited occasions, can be enough to cause a war in built up residential neighborhoods. Animal rights interests have painted debarking as a cruel quick fix when in fact it is something no owner does lightly.


This is not about being good neighbors, I am willing to guarantee you those owners have not taken the time to train their dogs, set boundaries, EXERCISE THEM (and I don't mean letting them roam the backyard, I mean structured exercise), or have tried taking them to dog classes the LEARN to control these behaviors.

[suntan]

My sister taught her dog to stop barking in about three weeks through training classes.

It ain't hard.

[vengie]

Originally posted by suntan
My sister taught her dog to stop barking in about three weeks through training classes.

It ain't hard.

I did the same thing with my Pitbull. Friend did the same with his Rottweiler and Border Collie.

I agree fully, its not hard, you just need to stay consistent.

[Buster]

I think it would be great if they could come up with a humane, and responsible solution.

But dogs aren't people, and dogs do not have the same rights as people/kids, etc.

So really, I'm only interested in the most expedient solution.

I'd love the zap zap collars. Those sound great.

[suntan]

Most expedient solution? Throw some dark chocolate over the fence.

[dirtsniffer]

about 1 ounce per pound of dog should do the trick

[gretz]

Originally posted by suntan
Most expedient solution? Throw some dark chocolate over the fence.

Savage lol...

A huge pack of sausages would be more effective, "punish" the owners, not the kids

[vengie]

Originally posted by Buster


So really, I'm only interested in the most expedient solution.

I'd love the zap zap collars. Those sound great.

A shock collar on a dog that size will likely kill it.

The most expedient solution? Grow a pair, call 311 and tell your neighbors enough fucking around, be responsible owners and get their dogs trained.

Its like raising douche bag kids.

[Disoblige]

Originally posted by suntan
Most expedient solution? Throw some dark chocolate over the fence.
Tea all over keyboard. Thanks.

[ercchry]

Yeah, 90lbs dog at level 6/10 on the shocker gets a good yelp out of him :rofl:

First time I did it he jumped clean off the ground haha

[Mitsu3000gt]

We used to have neighbors with 2 super annoying dogs. They would do these howling rituals first thing in the morning that woke up the entire neighborhood, and generally barked a lot. They kept the dogs outside because they barked in the house too, which annoyed the owners.

Several neighbors complained to the city, and I don't know what the city did, but it was enough for them to get the dogs de-barked. So I would recommend complaining to the city as much as possible - one of the few times I've actually seen it do anything.

I know you said you didn't want to do that, but it did seem to work for us and the other neighbors. If the owner is nice and really apologetic but doesn't actually do anything about the dogs, then he probably knows exactly what he's doing and is a d-bag. If he's had ample time to come up with a solution and hasn't (training, de-bark, shock collar, keeping them inside, etc.), I would complain to the city.

[Epididymitis]

Call me mean, but whenever my dogs barked id issue them a quick/solid BUT light side footed kick in the ass. Surprisingly it works! But not everyone is a cold-hearted puppy kicker like i am.

[codetrap]

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[Buster]

Originally posted by codetrap
Are you planning on offering to pay for it?

I would offer some cash, yes.

But they are about the opposite of poor.

[codetrap]

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[Mixalot27]

That's actually very generous of you to offer to pay for some of the surgery. I think if it was me and the barking was really negatively affecting my quality of life, I would just tell him he has to do something to quiet his dogs or I will have to make a complaint to bylaw. I would offer patience and time for him to make it happen. I would leave the cost and choice of how to do it up to him. Then if it didn't happen within a reasonable amount of time, I would get together with the other neighbors who are disturbed and file a complaint with bylaw.

[codetrap]

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[Rocket1k78]

Originally posted by Buster

The neighbors on the other side of us REALLY hate these dogs, and they have been here for much longer. The dog owners also had some massive issues with the previous owner of our house. So they basically acknowledge the problem. They just don't appear willing to go to any length to solve it.

Such a shitty position for you to be in but it sounds like you have to be a bit nasty about it if this is a known issue. Its not fair for you or your family to live through this. You work your ass off to buy your family a nice home so you have every right to enjoy it. Our neighbors kids have a larger dog and occasionally on the weekends when they go there theyll bring it and everytime they let it out he barks his ass off until he goes back in. Luckily they only leave him out for 5-10 minutes but even at that it gets annoying.

I would talk to the neighbor on the other side of them and see what they think and if you're both in agreement that something needs to be done i would confront them together that way its not just you. Be as nice as you can of course but if you're too nice this will just continue. Good luck!

[JRSC00LUDE]

If there's a training place that can deal with it, leave a brochure and a moderate gift card in their mailbox. Leave another brochure in a month if still an issue. One more month, call bylaw every week.

[codetrap]

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[Minimalist]

Originally posted by Buster
So really, I'm only interested in the most expedient solution.

Move:dunno:to Brooks.

[Buster]

Originally posted by codetrap
Hold on a second.. now, I'm totally trolling here... but you moved into your house AFTER the dogs were there barking their heads off?

Isn't this a bit like those people complaining about trains in Ogden?

I guess. If trains in Ogden were against bylaw.

And didn't indicate their presence with train tracks.

[codetrap]

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[suntan]

I was just at Petland and they have this thing that looks like an airhorn. You press it when the dog does something you don't want it to do.

It should also work on the owners.

Found it:

http://petland.ca/collections/dog-training-behaviour/products/halti-pet-corrector

[firebane]

Originally posted by suntan
I was just at Petland and they have this thing that looks like an airhorn. You press it when the dog does something you don't want it to do.

It should also work on the owners.

Found it:

http://petland.ca/collections/dog-training-behaviour/products/halti-pet-corrector

Those things just let out a very loud "tschhh" noise and I've started using it on my dog who goes into a MDK mode when she sees rabits, squirrels etc.

It works but its all about positive reinforcement and for a neighbors dog its going to not really do much.

[Amysicle]

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[cancer man]

All you do is sit by the fence with a garden hose on full pressure even in winter.
You will train them.Trust me.

[suntan]

Originally posted by firebane


Those things just let out a very loud &quot;tschhh&quot; noise and I've started using it on my dog who goes into a MDK mode when she sees rabits, squirrels etc.

It works but its all about positive reinforcement and for a neighbors dog its going to not really do much. I guess a real airhorn is what's needed then.

[tirebob]

We use this bark box we picked up from Walmart. We put it out on the deck so when the dogs would bark at the neighbour it triggers it and makes a noise in a frequency that the dogs don't like. Worked like a charm for two of the dogs but on one of them it doesn't seem to bug him enough.

My buddy took mine to his house to try out on his neighbours dogs as he was in the same situation. He set it up on the fence where his neighbours dogs would come and bark at him in his back yard non-stop and it shut them up no problem...

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Radio-Systems-Corp-PBC00-11216-Outdoor-Bark-Deterrent-Outdoor-Each/17624229?action=product_interest&action_type=title&item_id=17624229&placement_id=irs-106-t1&strategy=PWVUB&visitor_id&category=&client_guid=5758064f-4a07-46d9-8836-7bada9a42956&customer_id_enc&config_id=106&parent_item_id=13281954&parent_anchor_item_id=13281954&guid=222dbdc4-804e-497c-ab6c-df2a5150a82d&bucket_id=irsbucketdefault&beacon_version=1.0.1&findingMethod=p13n

[Buster]

Originally posted by tirebob
We use this bark box we picked up from Walmart. We put it out on the deck so when the dogs would bark at the neighbour it triggers it and makes a noise in a frequency that the dogs don't like. Worked like a charm for two of the dogs but on one of them it doesn't seem to bug him enough.

My buddy took mine to his house to try out on his neighbours dogs as he was in the same situation. He set it up on the fence where his neighbours dogs would come and bark at him in his back yard non-stop and it shut them up no problem...

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Radio-Systems-Corp-PBC00-11216-Outdoor-Bark-Deterrent-Outdoor-Each/17624229?action=product_interest&amp;action_type=title&amp;item_id=17624229&amp;placement_id=irs-106-t1&amp;strategy=PWVUB&amp;visitor_id&amp;category=&amp;client_guid=5758064f-4a07-46d9-8836-7bada9a42956&amp;customer_id_enc&amp;config_id=106&amp;parent_item_id=13281954&amp;parent_anchor_item_id=13281954&amp;guid=222dbdc4-804e-497c-ab6c-df2a5150a82d&amp;bucket_id=irsbucketdefault&amp;beacon_version=1.0.1&amp;findingMethod=p13n

I might get this.

I was reading online about people building homebrew version of these that can essentially send out a nuclear fuck ton of sound.

[suntan]

They sell similar things at the pet stores too if you're looking to get one right away.

[Epididymitis]

Have you tried red rocket??????

[dirtsniffer]

doooood

[BigMass]

have you tried the experts?

http://i.imgur.com/xIN2ljB.gif