New 2018 Odyssey announced

[yellowsnow]

For all the soccer moms/dads... never thought I'd be interested in a minivan :rofl:

jump to 10:00 to skip to the debut

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https://preview2.netcarshow.com/Honda-Odyssey-2018-ig.jpg

[Kloubek]

Looks like a standard evolution of a minivan. Nothing earth shattering here.

Can the industry not make a low-slung, legitimately SPORTY minivan? Is that so hard? Power is easy to come by these days... even from relatively frugal engines, so that shouldn't be a problem. Handling is always going to be a challenge with so much mass, but I'm sure they can come up with something.

I really don't understand how the Mazda5 wasn't more popular. It ALMOST hit the mark I'm talking about... though perhaps a little underwhelming in the power department. Just take that strategy and add a turbocharger, a bit more size, more aggressive styling, and I think it would be a hit.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Debut is at 10:00. Looks OK, as mentioned above, standard evolution. They already make probably the best van and it's a Honda so they can do whatever they want and sell thousands.

[adam c]

Looks like a big Mazda 5

[yellowsnow]

I was hoping for a more JDM styling odyssey like the one they have overseas, but very disappointed they went with the more traditional american styling.

10 speed transmission... which had problems with the MDX/Pilot line up. hopefully they fixed those issues.

I could see the middle moving seats to be a big hit with parents. very annoying strapping a kid into the middle seat in my current car.

New tech seems pretty basic. Other than the intercom system and video monitoring, everything else I've seen before.

https://carsoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/2018-Honda-Odyssey-front-view.jpg would have been nice :cry:

[phreezee]

Sliding seat is awesome! Just wish they could have a AWD option like the Sienna.

[redevil]

I like the look of it. Needs AWD option and panoramic sunroof option like the Sienna. The new features like cameras and intercom seem useless to me. I do like the sliding seats but wont' work if you keep that middle seat in there.

Sold my 2015 Odyssey since it wasn't able to tow as much as I would like. I would be interested to see if this now can tow 4000-5000 lbs versus the old 3500 lbs. Miss having the sliding doors on a van compared to a big truck.

I would like my wife to drive one and replace her RDX some day but she won't agree to that.

[Mitsu3000gt]

I'm surprised AWD isn't a bigger selling feature in these "family haulers". Especially since a lot of people buy SUVs instead (but more to sit high or avoid the minivan driver stereotypes). I'm sure they could put in some crappy 90% of the time FWD AWD system for cheap and the people who wanted it would be all over it.

[redevil]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
I'm surprised AWD isn't a bigger selling feature in these "family haulers". Especially since a lot of people buy SUVs instead (but more to sit high or avoid the minivan driver stereotypes). I'm sure they could put in some crappy 90% of the time FWD AWD system for cheap and the people who wanted it would be all over it.

They handle very well in the snow and ice when I had one. The weight and how low it is helps, plus add winter tires and it will get through the worse of the winter conditions. But I do agree, AWD would make them sell way more then the Sienna. Guess they just don't want to spend that added $ to see if it does sell more in that space.

[ExtraSlow]

Have never wished mine was AWD. Probably keep it forever, still runs great, and is generally awesome.

[rage2]

Don't think cameras and intercom is anything new. I'm fairly certain I read or wrote about it in another minivan a while back. It's definitely a nice to have feature based on the minivans that I've rented/driven.

AWD is a must have and interesting that Honda doesn't even have it as an option. My guess is the space eaten up for the center tunnel to drive the rear wheels. We rented a Sienna AWD a couple years back with winter tires in a solid snowstorm in BC, thing ripped through unplowed mountain roads like it was nothing. Made driving the thing half decent enjoyable. FWD Caravan and Town and Country were just terrible to drive in winter. Bland and slow.

Kloubek, it's too bad that Hellcat Pacifica was pretty much a pipe dream. 750hp AWD Pacifica, I'd buy one just for the lolz even if I didn't have kids.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by rage2
My guess is the space eaten up for the center tunnel to drive the rear wheels.

http://www.autos.ca/testdrives/images/05odyssey_11-1.jpg

That wheel well that turn into storage is blocking the shaft.

If Odessesy goes AWD, it will probably be the electric system in RLX. But it's so niche now, I don't think they will do it.

At least Chrysler got the balls to do a plug-in EV/Hybrid Pacifica.

[redblack]

No awd, no care

[ExtremeSi]

Looks like the stole the side swoop from a Mazda.

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by rage2
it's too bad that Hellcat Pacifica was pretty much a pipe dream. 750hp AWD Pacifica, I'd buy one just for the lolz even if I didn't have kids.

Damn... I thought they actually WERE going to make that. It obviously doesn't make a lot of practical sense, but it sure would have been something to brag about.

I'm not even talking that extreme. The Sienna already has... what... 300 horsepower? That's actually amazing compared to the minivans of yesterday, so they are already half there. How about add an extra 50 horsepower, lose 500 pounds and 30 cubic feet of cargo capacity to keep it lighter and noticeably smaller. That still leaves you with some 120 cubic feet behind the 1st seats which should be ample for all but big families. Then you design it into something people actually want to look at, keep it low and wide. AWD - sure... why not.

Now you have a vehicle that is fun, isn't embarrassing to be caught driving in, AND has enough room and practicality for all but the biggest families. What's not to like about that?

Sigh. But then, I was the guy who years ago said that Coke and Pepsi should make a sugar-reduced cola. No, not replaced with sweeteners... just 2/3 the sugar of regular cola, but everything else exactly the same. Many people I speak to say - yeah, that's a great idea. But do they make it? Nope. The insist on adding extra sweeteners to get to the original sweetness.

Do the auto manufacturers want to make something fun to drive and look at? Nope. They insist on the blandness of a family vehicle.

[automotivat3d]

Is the new Odyssey turbo'd? I got tired of listening to the guy talk lol

[Darkane]

Don't mind this thing. Ultimate swap is ths 3.7 from the TL, bolt ons and 6sp. Bizi did it but the turbo'd it for 1000hp lol.

330-350hp manual. Would be sick.

The JDM van came with 6sp k24. Would have been a riot.

[HiSpec]

Originally posted by Darkane
Don't mind this thing. Ultimate swap is ths 3.7 from the TL, bolt ons and 6sp. Bizi did it but the turbo'd it for 1000hp lol.

330-350hp manual. Would be sick.

The JDM van came with 6sp k24. Would have been a riot.

I believe the 6sp K24 JDM 'van' is the Honda Stream. Which I thought we were supposed to get...

[BokCh0y]

Doesn't look anything special to me, ugly to be honest. Reminds me of that Lincoln MKT hearse style SUV.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by Kloubek


How about add an extra 50 horsepower, lose 500 pounds and 30 cubic feet of cargo capacity to keep it lighter and noticeably smaller. That still leaves you with some 120 cubic feet behind the 1st seats which should be ample for all but big families. Then you design it into something people actually want to look at, keep it low and wide. AWD - sure... why not.

Now you have a vehicle that is fun, isn't embarrassing to be caught driving in, AND has enough room and practicality for all but the biggest families. What's not to like about that?



When we were shopping back in 2011 we checked out the Mazda 5. I liked the way it drove but that vehicle is way too small. I would be ok with losing weight and more power but any less cargo capacity I wouldn't want in a van. Also these vans are very low already so not sure they can go any lower.

Had ours for 5 years now. I don't see us giving it up any time soon. In that time it has only had oil changes, 1 transmission fluid change and 1 new battery just recently.

[Mitsu3000gt]

I wonder how that 10-speed tranny is to drive. The amount of gears worries me.

The vehicle I have driven with the most gears was 9 in a Jeep Cherokee and it was perhaps the worst transmission I have ever experienced. Absolute garbage - I could barely stand to drive the damn thing. I hope Honda did a better job.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
I wonder how that 10-speed tranny is to drive. The amount of gears worries me.

The vehicle I have driven with the most gears was 9 in a Jeep Cherokee and it was perhaps the worst transmission I have ever experienced. Absolute garbage - I could barely stand to drive the damn thing. I hope Honda did a better job.

I would imagine they are all going to have occasional issues hunting for the right gear. I recently read an article on the GM/Ford 10-speed and that's a minor gripe.

[88CRX]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
I wonder how that 10-speed tranny is to drive. The amount of gears worries me.

The vehicle I have driven with the most gears was 9 in a Jeep Cherokee and it was perhaps the worst transmission I have ever experienced. Absolute garbage - I could barely stand to drive the damn thing. I hope Honda did a better job.

If its anything like the ZF auto 9 speed found in the TLX its the shits... as in shitty :banghead:

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by 88CRX


If its anything like the ZF auto 9 speed found in the TLX its the shits... as in shitty :banghead:

It was soooooo bad. 20-30 mph and it's in 8th or 9th gear, shifting to there as fast as possible. You need to floor it to get it to shift out of 9th (or to shift down from any gear for that matter), and you get a neck-snapping jerk of un-refinement when you do so. How anyone test drives one of these things and is like "yeah that's acceptable" I have no idea. It also wouldn't' shift up when going down hills, weirdly forcing engine braking upon the driver.

It's hard to imagine 9 or 10 speeds that aren't constantly shifting around though, so maybe I wouldn't like any of them. If they behave like a 6 speed but with the last 2 or 3 gears overdrive only, then it's probably better.

[yellowsnow]

the 9 speed is definitely a piece of junk. hopefully they learned from that and improved the 10 speed.

The 10 speed transmission was developed in house by Honda, so that's a big positive I'm hoping.

[88CRX]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt


It was soooooo bad. 20-30 mph and it's in 8th or 9th gear, shifting to there as fast as possible. You need to floor it to get it to shift out of 9th (or to shift down from any gear for that matter), and you get a neck-snapping jerk of un-refinement when you do so. How anyone test drives one of these things and is like "yeah that's acceptable" I have no idea. It also wouldn't' shift up when going down hills, weirdly forcing engine braking upon the driver.

It's hard to imagine 9 or 10 speeds that aren't constantly shifting around though, so maybe I wouldn't like any of them. If they behave like a 6 speed but with the last 2 or 3 gears overdrive only, then it's probably better.

Well when you’re bagging on the car it shifts OK. Its always downshifting and switching gears but its not terrible when driving aggressively.

The problems come into play in stop and go rush hour traffic, the bumps from gear to gear are harsh when you let up on the gas peddle as its shifting. And when you’re slowly putting along and then need to switch lanes and speed up it take literally 2 full seconds to downshift (probably 3+ gears) then it goes.