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16hypen3sp
03-21-2017, 11:06 AM
Just a heads up.



A two-phase pilot project to reduce the overall average speed on the QEII Hwy and other major transportation corridors in Alberta is planned for April and May.

Alberta Traffic Services said in a release on Tuesday that speeding in the province’s rural and urban centres continues to be a problem. Between 2009 and 2014, speed was a factor in 16 per cent of the total 6,351 fatal and serious injury collisions reported in Alberta RCMP jurisdictions.

“Even the best of drivers won’t be able to react to potential hazards on the road when travelling at higher speeds. Drivers need to respect the speed limits, and drive according to traffic and weather conditions to make sure everyone gets home safely,” said RCMP Inspector Steve Daley, Acting Officer-in-Charge of Alberta Traffic Services.

Speeding is not only driving at speeds beyond the posted limits, but also includes driving too fast for weather and traffic conditions. The World Health Organization states that speeds just 5 km/h above average in 60 km/h urban areas and 10 km/h above average in rural areas are sufficient to double the risk of a collision.

Select units from Alberta RCMP Traffic Services will participate in the pilot project. It examines different combinations of deployment strategies: visible enforcement and media coverage, and their impact on reducing overall average speed on identified sections of highways.

During the first phase in April, Alberta RCMP Traffic Services in collaboration with Alberta Transportation, will display speed-related safety messages on reader boards at pre-determined locations on Alberta highways from late March to early April. The messages will be supported by enforcement.

Speed-related data will be collected at several highway locations before, during and after the project to see if there was a reduction in overall average speed and when these reductions occurred. Details of phase two of the project will follow in April.

http://www.reddeeradvocate.com/news/pilot-project-aims-to-lower-speeding-on-qeii-and-other-major-alberta-highways/

ExtraSlow
03-21-2017, 11:18 AM
If this enforcement is targeted to high collision areas or areas inside towns (like leduc and red deer), I'm cool with it. If it's just put in areas that are easy to "cherry pick" then I'm against it.

snowcat
03-21-2017, 11:25 AM
Our hard one for speeding is so stupid.

16% = 1,000.

That's 200 per year in that period. Beans.

Texting, idiot driving, impatient driving, lack of knowledge and ignorance was the other 84%.

If you have driven in the United States, you will know that the speed is SIGNIFICANTLY higher.

For example, Montana. 130 KPH is the limit for what Alberta deems DANGEROUS (120, 10 over.)

I've gone shooting by an officer at 10MPH over, which is 16 KPH. 146 KPH no big deal to them.

Officers will pull you over for 10KPH, which is 6 mph. It's so fucking laughable.

Anyways, rant over. Enjoy your day.

Buster
03-21-2017, 11:29 AM
I think average speed cameras are in our future.

Dumbass17
03-21-2017, 11:29 AM
Quick side note: Are those photo radar vans/trucks/explorers you see parked on places like Memorial etc, real cops?

eglove
03-21-2017, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by snowcat
Our hard one for speeding is so stupid.

16% = 1,000.

That's 200 per year in that period. Beans.

Texting, idiot driving, impatient driving, lack of knowledge and ignorance was the other 84%.

If you have driven in the United States, you will know that the speed is SIGNIFICANTLY higher.

For example, Montana. 130 KPH is the limit for what Alberta deems DANGEROUS (120, 10 over.)

I've gone shooting by an officer at 10MPH over, which is 16 KPH. 146 KPH no big deal to them.

Officers will pull you over for 10KPH, which is 6 mph. It's so fucking laughable.

Anyways, rant over. Enjoy your day. :werd:

88CRX
03-21-2017, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by ExtraSlow
If it's just put in areas that are easy to "cherry pick" then I'm against it.

I wonder where they'll locate them... hmmmmm? :banghead:

schocker
03-21-2017, 11:48 AM
That is so weird. If the average speed of drivers is above the speed limit, it is the drivers that need to change not the speed limit. :nut:

spikerS
03-21-2017, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Dumbass17
Quick side note: Are those photo radar vans/trucks/explorers you see parked on places like Memorial etc, real cops?

nope

riander5
03-21-2017, 11:57 AM
Fucking nanny state

HiTempguy1
03-21-2017, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by Buster
I think average speed cameras are in our future.

Welcome to Britain where they have cameras everywhere... or 1984

https://icenirising.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/1984-was-not-supposed-to-be-an-instruction-manual-900x675.jpg

beyond_ban
03-21-2017, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by snowcat
Our hard one for speeding is so stupid.

16% = 1,000.

That's 200 per year in that period. Beans.

Texting, idiot driving, impatient driving, lack of knowledge and ignorance was the other 84%.

If you have driven in the United States, you will know that the speed is SIGNIFICANTLY higher.

For example, Montana. 130 KPH is the limit for what Alberta deems DANGEROUS (120, 10 over.)

I've gone shooting by an officer at 10MPH over, which is 16 KPH. 146 KPH no big deal to them.

Officers will pull you over for 10KPH, which is 6 mph. It's so fucking laughable.

Anyways, rant over. Enjoy your day.

Couldn't agree more. I highly doubt speed alone caused 16% of the accidents, they just played a role.

Kijho
03-21-2017, 01:05 PM
What's an average speed camera??



will display speed-related safety messages on reader boards at pre-determined locations on Alberta highways from late March to early April.

So they're gonna be increasing distracted driving now because people are going to be squinting their eyes to try and read some message that says "speeding kills. do not speed" ... What the f*ck kind of logic is this?

I'm speechless at how dumb this actually sounds. People speed so we're going to throw up a bunch signs for people to read while they drive to scare them into not speeding. Then you have someone new to the city see this and slam on their brakes to read it thinking it's something of importance then boom.

Sugarphreak
03-21-2017, 01:07 PM
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b_t
03-21-2017, 01:14 PM
to be fair the QE2 is a shitty road that is prone to some literally world famous poor conditions for large parts of the year

but instead of flashing generic messages at regular intervals along the highway, they should remind or better yet WARN moron drivers of bad conditions ahead. so many times I've driven into sudden zero visibility, glare ice highways having no idea what I was in for.. and then you watch people come flying into the fog behind you and just hope that everybody stops in time, or manages to thread the needle or hit the ditch. with a warning sign I'd take an offramp and start threading through range and township roads just to avoid the inevitable clusterfuck ahead and ensure my and my passenger's safety

then open it up to 120km/h posted, 130km/h allowed in clear weather

Mitsu3000gt
03-21-2017, 01:32 PM
My take away from this article is that an incredibly low number of accidents are speed related, given that literally everyone speeds on the QEII. Sounds like it's one of the safer roads. On top of that, you know their "speeding was a factor" number is massively padded like it always is.

Their data collection project is also just for optics, since any reasonable person already knows the results are already decided.

Stuart
03-21-2017, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by Sugarphreak

This is such a fucking load of nanny state crap. Here is a fact... all of our speed limits are at least 15-40km/h below where they should be. If they actually used proper scientific methods to determine speed, it would be faster, and there would be less accidents.

Fuck the WHO


If you read what the WHO said, they are referring to the variation of speed from the average, not as compared to the speed limit. What has been proposed in some jurisdictions is that if the speed limit was raised you would actually reduce the number of people who deviate significantly from the average and hence reduce collision rates. This was part of the discussion in BC when they raised some of their limits, in which case I'd say thanking the WHO would be the way to go.

Sugarphreak
03-21-2017, 02:02 PM
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reijo
03-21-2017, 03:14 PM
Meanwhile in BC they are finding collisions are reduced by increasing the speed limit ... same as down in the USA. We are still in the bush leagues here in Alberta.

BTW, I agree that if given that you are in a collision, that 10 kph higher speed will produce a bigger impact. That is pure physics.

However, what about preventing the collision in the first place!? Would that not be a better strategy?

Oh, wait ... the NDP is looking for more taxes/revenue ...

Xtrema
03-21-2017, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by reijo
Oh, wait ... the NDP is looking for more taxes/revenue ...

Bingo.

Buster
03-21-2017, 03:42 PM
Guys the carbon tax is not about climate change. It's about revenue.

Speeding regulations are not about safety. They are about revenue.

JustinL
03-21-2017, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by HiTempguy1


Welcome to Britain where they have cameras everywhere... or 1984


Have you driven in Britain? 90% of the time if you are speeding in the UK, you probably are driving too fast. I would trade our system for theirs in a heartbeat. Simple system and reasonably fast speed limits. Any dual carriage way (divided road) in the UK is 113kph, and single carriage way (most country roads) is 97kph.

g-m
03-21-2017, 05:06 PM
Have you driven elsewhere in Europe? Spain's 130+ seems fine. Germany was great. Nobody obeys speed limits in Europe anyway and it's great

Seth1968
03-21-2017, 05:14 PM
Between 2009 and 2014, speed was a factor in 16 per cent of the total 6,351 fatal and serious injury collisions reported in Alberta RCMP jurisdictions.

What do they mean by "factor"?

In addition, speed is a factor in all collisions. So are cars.

Xtrema
03-21-2017, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by g-m
Have you driven elsewhere in Europe? Spain's 130+ seems fine. Germany was great. Nobody obeys speed limits in Europe anyway and it's great

Except the Dutch and I have a $300 Euro ticket to prove that.

jacky4566
03-21-2017, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Buster
I think average speed cameras are in our future.

Oh dear lord I hope not. Ill be getting a James bond style license plate if that happens.

Sugarphreak
03-21-2017, 05:59 PM
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JustinL
03-21-2017, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by g-m
Have you driven elsewhere in Europe? Spain's 130+ seems fine. Germany was great. Nobody obeys speed limits in Europe anyway and it's great
That's my point. It's not the enforcement and surveillance that is the problem, it's the artificially low limits we have here. There's speed cameras all over europe, but coupled with reasonable limits, it works way better than it does here.

btimbit
03-22-2017, 06:48 PM
Speed was a factor in 16% of accidents. Not even necessarily the main factor, just a factor. Yet, I bet the effort used to curb speeding is way higher than 16% of their focus.


I'd have no problem with speed enforcement, IF:

-The amount of focus it gets is in line with the amount of harm it causes, freeing up resources to enforce things that are actually much more harmful like poor vehicle equipment, distractions, etc.

-Speed limits were set appropriately

Governments have a bad habit around here of getting tunnel vision and creating a war against what they're trying to stop. Rather than looking at ways to reduce accidents, they put the blinders on and attack whats easiest

16hypen3sp
01-25-2024, 09:25 PM
Bump. Lobbying has commenced to get QEII at max 80kph in Leduc. What's the over/under on Airdrie doing the same at some point?

https://globalnews.ca/news/10244605/leduc-council-qeii-speed-limit-alberta/

pheoxs
01-25-2024, 09:27 PM
Bump. Lobbying has commenced to get QEII at max 80kph in Leduc. What's the over/under on Airdrie doing the same at some point?

https://globalnews.ca/news/10244605/leduc-council-qeii-speed-limit-alberta/

Airdrie fuck no. Leduc I can sort of see, that one bend is kind of tight and seen lots of idiot drivers there over the years. What they should do is rebuild it like they did Red Deer.

ThePenIsMightier
01-25-2024, 09:31 PM
It should be like 60 (during shitty weather) throughout that part where everyone dies in Leduc. That's a super dangerous part and it's less than 1km long.

firebane
01-25-2024, 09:46 PM
Maybe they need to do a study on how those changes really don't do jack shit. Look at the 80 zone heading east out of Calgary. Seldomly do you actually see people doing 80 in that zone and the other side of Chestermere is 80 but people slow down because cops always patrol there.

Yes you could enforce more but then why reduce the speed if that is the solution?

ExtraSlow
01-25-2024, 09:46 PM
A complete realignment for that stretch 8s the solution. It is fuck.

Twin_Cam_Turbo
01-25-2024, 09:47 PM
80 is too slow, 90-100 is ok for that stretch in Leduc IMO.

16hypen3sp
01-25-2024, 09:51 PM
The fact they haven't rebuilt it yet is comical. That elevated bend (The Rollercoaster is what I think people were calling it) isn't the only problem. There's also the short on ramp onto a 2 lane QEII section northbound (2A NB onto QEII NB). They put up a sign saying be courteous and move over because people can't grasp the concept of pressing the gas pedal down and accelerating on an on-ramp in Alberta.

ExtraSlow
01-25-2024, 10:20 PM
Total rebuild is required for that "rollercoaster" portion.

firebane
01-25-2024, 10:23 PM
Total rebuild is required for that "rollercoaster" portion.

And no more than a few minutes north they have been redoing the highway there for years.

ExtraSlow
01-25-2024, 10:25 PM
Yeah, just keep the equipment and cones around, slide em south.

vengie
01-25-2024, 10:31 PM
QE2 needs to be 4 lanes each way between Calgary and Edm

davidI
01-26-2024, 02:04 AM
Have you driven elsewhere in Europe? Spain's 130+ seems fine. Germany was great. Nobody obeys speed limits in Europe anyway and it's great

Spain's limit on autopistas is 120kph but they're far better than maintained than Canadian highways and they don't have to deal with such variable weather conditions (in most places). Spanish drivers are better trained and will slow down when conditions are adverse too, though, so there's common sense that goes along with the "maximum" limit.

They also have a lot of reductions to 80-100kph for bridges/tunnels/congestion points which are dumb because that's what causes the collision risk (many people don't slow down, though, except for tunnels where there's often radar).

The other problem is that cars aren't geared well for 120+kph so you're consuming 20% more fuel vs. 100kph and that fuel costs 1.5-2x what it does in Canada - only matters if you care about $ and emissions, though.

They make the radar systems very clearly marked so yes, a lot of people will drive a lot faster and then slow down at the radar points which also causes collision risks and I find stupid.

I like where they use point to point systems for dangerous sections (i.e. 12km stretch of curvy road where they check time intervals) but yea, overall I feel safer driving in Spain than in Canada and 120-130kph is fine from a safety perspective when conditions are good.

pheoxs
01-26-2024, 12:31 PM
QE2 needs to be 4 lanes each way between Calgary and Edm

City Council: Okay so we voted to reduce one lane in each direction to add bike lanes to QE2.

Misterman
01-29-2024, 10:57 PM
The issues in Leduc exist exclusively outside the enforcement zones. They completely use it as a honey pot, and make the claim it's a "safety zone" or whatever, despite the safety issues existing a full KM upstream of the speed traps. If they gave a single fuck about safety, they'd do their enforcement on traffic travelling TOWARDS the area in question, not on traffic that has already gone through and is now on a perfectly safe triple divided road designed for 130km/h rate of travel.

Bytem3
01-30-2024, 08:10 AM
The issues in Leduc exist exclusively outside the enforcement zones. They completely use it as a honey pot, and make the claim it's a "safety zone" or whatever, despite the safety issues existing a full KM upstream of the speed traps. If they gave a single fuck about safety, they'd do their enforcement on traffic travelling TOWARDS the area in question, not on traffic that has already gone through and is now on a perfectly safe triple divided road designed for 130km/h rate of travel.

Agreed, the other thing they could do is ticket the morons leaving the airport & outlet mall where they merge onto the highway towards Edmonton at 40km/h, but that would likely eventually get labeled as being racist

msommers
01-30-2024, 08:34 AM
Maybe they need to do a study on how those changes really don't do jack shit. Look at the 80 zone heading east out of Calgary. Seldomly do you actually see people doing 80 in that zone and the other side of Chestermere is 80 but people slow down because cops always patrol there.

Yes you could enforce more but then why reduce the speed if that is the solution?

Agreed that stretch is fucking painful and no one is doing 80. Same thing on the far west part of Glenmore close to the ring road.