(CMVSS) Act 114 is what is stopping the import of most 2008 models. It deals with Locking and Immobilization Systems. You can read the full meal deal below.

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2...ml/sor45-e.html

There has got to be away around it. After market or otherwise. I'll have a better glance at it tomorrow.

Edit:

Transport Canada's official notice:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/impo...xplanations.htm

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9. Every Passenger vehicle, multipurpose passenger vehicle, truck and 3 wheeled vehicle manufactured after September 1, 2007 and with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) less than 4,536 kg (10,000 lbs), except an emergency vehicle or a walk-in van, must be equipped with an immobilization system that meets CMVSS 114.
While many vehicles manufactured for the United States market offer the electronic immobilization system as an option, there are some makes and models where this system is not available from the manufacturer. In many cases, an after market system that meets the intent of CMVSS114 can be installed by a third party. However you should check with the manufacturer to see if the installation of such an after market system compromises the vehicle warranty. Importers should check with the manufacturer to determine whether a vehicle is equipped or can be equipped with an electronic immobilization system that meets the intent of CMVSS 114, before purchasing and importing a vehicle.
Electronic immobilizers require a special key or small electronic device to start a vehicle's engine. Usually you attach this to your key ring.
This type of system, when activated, totally immobilizes engine systems in response to any attempt to start the vehicle without using an authorized key, by shutting off one or more parts of the engine's electrical system. This might include the starter, ignition or fuel system.
As part of the RIV inspection, the importer will be required to supply documentation to prove that the vehicle came equipped with a factory installed system that complies with CMVSS 114 or that a recognized aftermarket system that meets the intent of CMVSS 114, has been installed.

Another forum found here with good information.

http://www.ivoac.ca/pn/index.php?na...ewforum&f=3

Thank you Tom!
I'll be exploring some possibilities.

Unfortunately, if the 2008 vehicle is part of the INADMISSABLE list, you can't install an immobilizer and expect them to let the car in. It just WILL NOT happen.

If the vehicle is listed as ADMISSABLE, and it doesn't have an immobilizer, Form 2 will state that it requires you to install one (along with DRL, or whatever else to make it canadian compliant) in order to complete inspection and RIV program completion. That's what the "in many cases" is referring to... in the cases of vehicles that are deemed ADMISSABLE but doesn't have an immobilizer.

I've never ever once seen a vehicle in the INADMISSABLE list allowed in. Otherwise, there'd be a lot of EVO's here with modified bumpers.

Yah that pretty much closes the door for anyone bringing in an 08..this was part of the email i got the other day. thanks for posting Tom.

That's a piss-off.

Well what the fuck. Is this normal? There is a disconnect between Transport Canada saying you can modify them to bring them in (as seen in big letters above) and what RIV is allowing?

Graham, give RIV a call and see what they say about TPC if you got some time.

Man this government red tap shit is confusing.

There is no disconnect. TC says "in many cases", RIV tells you right on the list exactly what those "cases" are. If the car is inadmissible, it's not one of those "cases".

Yeah I am not sure what the confusion is about. If the car is modifiable and thus admissable, it would state that in the last column, like Rage2 pointed out. Otherwise, if it is explicitly stated as inadmissable, ur SOL.

sorry, dumb question. What is an immobilizer? I only own old ass cars.

Quoted:

An immobilizer is an anti-theft device, which essentially disables some electrical parts in the vehicle with a remote, making it harder for a thief to steal. Transport Canada states that after market system are acceptable as long as they meet the new spec, but certain car manufacturers are refusing to make it an option on their new 2008 models (Honda, GM, etc.)

The Canadian government has very specific requirements on how long it will take to physically get to vehicle ECU's so that they cannot be modified or replaced to steal the vehicle. There are some weird aspects to the rules though that make them a pain for the design engineers, as well as the service centers who might have to remove parts that were intentionally designed to be difficult to remove easily and quickly.

I'm hoping to find out either what it'd take to get a CMVSS 114 system put into an American car that has FMVSS 114 (American version).

Or, if there's an aftermarket alarm system that can be installed to meet CMVSS 114.

Either way, it doesn't make any sense to me. This is an insurance issue, not a safety issue so Transport Canada really shouldn't be involved.

BC and Manitoba have public car insurance. Isn't that why Evo's are not allowed?

Evo's = non compliant front bumper b/c of FMIC.

Bwwwahahaha.

yup. and they also took an incredible amout of damage over the maximum in the 15km/h bump tests.

subies have had their intercooler, or interheaters top mounted forever, and they have no problem with getting into canada.

I was responding to this:

The FMIC is also really an insurance issue, correct? As in, the government run insurance companies only want to pay out a certain amount for a parking lot accident, and since there's an element of government subsidy in a public insurance company to keep rates low for everyone, the way to do it would be to ban cars that have expensive parking lot accidents?

Because if we all paid for our own accidents (through private insurance), why would the government care how expensive it is to replace the intercooler?

so i don't get this inadmisable list stuff
if it's due to saftey if the safty is corrected why is it not
able to come in

say just for the gov you temperly make and evo for example
run with a tmic ???

You would have to modify it to factory specs, make it dot approved, change the front bumper to make it withstand canadian impact requirements then crash a bunch of them to prove to transport Canada that it all works.

There is no aftermarket unit that meets transport Canada regulations. To change the immobilizer I believe you would also have to change the ecu which in turn could mean changing many other things. Although Im not an expert in alarms.. perhaps someone else could tune in.

In regards to the immobilizer it may have to do with the ULC approval.

Isn't this similar to the US/Canada Compustars?

As a transmitting electrical device it needs to be certified to Canadian standards.

Perhaps the non-admissible 2008's on the list don't have the ULC approval.

Just a thought.

Good point although I assume if they are UL rated for the US, that to get ULc rated wouldn't be much of of a stretch as when it comes to ULc and CSA it's more a matter of money being exchanged than actuall design modifications.

I've had to go through getting many non-CSA american built electronics locally CSA approved and all it involves is giving the inspector wiring schematics, a working prototype, a three month wait and thousands of $$$$ but that's a drop in the bucket for automobile manufacturers.