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C&D Test: M3 beats GT-R, 911 Turbo LOL quote:

http://digg.com/autos/Proof_that_Ca...in_bed_with_BMW

WTF? haha. Everyone's already speculated about the 3 series on the C&D 10 best list for the last what 20 years? because BMW sucks their cocks, but this pretty much confirms our suspicions.

Seriously, BMW wins every comparo in C&D, it's retarded haha. And every BMW ad for the 3 series refers to C&D reviews. It's a conspiracy! Or every C&D employee showers in Jagerbomb. One or the other.

BTW here's the retarded article:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...comparison_test

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Yeh I read it yesterday and thought wtf... Even though it's the cheapest doesn't make it the best bang for the buck.

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That is some serious bs. I dont see why they tend to use those paramaters for rating cars of this category. Oh the 911 has a tiny trunk and tiny back seats, who cares, only c&d apparantly. The m3 is a good car, but not that good.

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I'll do a translation of the article (the BMW part).

In this group of radical cars, the M3 emerged quickly as the voice of reason. The extremist voices of the Porsche and the GT-R are just not present in the M3. It never shouts, utters complaints, or makes any unbecoming demands. Road and tire noise are subdued, the fabric-covered seats are perfect, and there is a back seat and a real trunk. But even with those attributes, the M3 doesn’t skimp on supercar performance. It just happens to be dressed in a polished and practical package.


Translation: The M3's pretty boring, but I'll wrap it around some bullshit to make it look awesome.

Even without the optional adjustable electronic dampers, our M3 test car displayed a better ride-and-handling compromise than either the 911 or the GT-R. Handling, both on the track and public roads, matched the GT-R in our individual scoring. But the M3 goes about its business differently. The GT-R steamrolls the tarmac into submission in an eerie sort of way; the M3 allows the driver to use the car as an instrument. Not many cars can play the road—the car world has more fakers than a middle-school band concert.


Translation: The last gen M3, we accepted the rough ride because it gave us great handling. But now that BMW have softened up, we'll spin it so it's a positive and bash the harder rides of the other cars.

As one test driver put it, “The M3 is the car that the driver has the most control over.” Oversteer, understeer, and neutrality are all on the M3’s résumé, but they’re dependent on the driver’s inputs. The chassis has no surprises, no snap reactions, no bad habits—even midcorner bumps are sopped up without drama. Strong brakes have excellent initial bite and didn’t fade even after many, many laps. The BMW’s lap time lagged 1.5 seconds behind the 911 Turbo’s, but that translates to an average speed throughout the lap that was only 0.3 mph slower than the far more powerful Porsche. Thus the BMW, though suffocated by the thin air at 4200 feet, managed to make up most of the difference by cornering faster.


Translation: The BMW is so underpowered I can't get it to do stupid stuff! The GT-R kicked my ass, so I'll just compare to the 911.

Unlike the heavyweights, the BMW feels smaller the harder it is driven. Part of that feel is due to light steering, but the importance of having the lowest mass and the narrowest width also plays a huge role.


Translation: We used to bitch out all the AMG cars for light steering, but now that our cocksuckers have that problem, well... it's no longer a problem!

It is immediately obvious (especially at altitude) that the M3 isn’t as quick as its turbocharged competition, but 0 to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds is nothing to scoff at, either (other M3s we’ve tested have been slightly quicker). A naturally aspirated 4.0-liter V-8 can’t deliver the massive torque of the blown sixes, but the M3 delivers its 414 horsepower in a linear and consistent manner from idle to its 8300-rpm redline. No lurching, no drama, no sudden explosions of boost. And the sound the BMW V-8 makes is due a Grammy. It’s a V-8 note not often heard outside racetracks, while the Nissan and the Porsche both sound as though they could wear a Dyson label.


Translation: zZzZzZzZ

If you’ll overlook the now cliché complaints about the iDrive control system and the car’s light steering, the M3 didn’t draw any negative words in its logbook. And the iDrive gripe is easily solved by not ordering the $2100 optional navigation system.


Translation: If you ignore all the problems, we have no problems! What a concept!

Seriously, what a fucked up review haha.

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No lurching, no drama, no sudden explosions of boost. And the sound the BMW V-8 makes is due a Grammy. It’s a V-8 note not often heard outside racetracks, while the Nissan and the Porsche both sound as though they could wear a Dyson label.


That is a dick move on their part. Yah, the 911 and gtr sound like vacuums, and insane performance, who wants that. Not me, give me the subdued bmw that sounds nice, worthy of a grammy apparantly.

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If M3>GTR>911 Turbo it would mean a Dinan 335i is a "better buy" than M3>GTR>911 turbo.

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It's not just C&D that has a bias with BMW. Motor trend has a comparison of the EVO X MR vs the 135i and they give the victory to the 135i despite the fact that the MR crushes it around the track by 3 seconds/lap and has in their words a 'stunning transmission' is almost $8K less but in their opinion the MR rides too rough compared to the 135i on the streets so the Bimmer wins.

In the same magazine they test a bunch of CUV's and give the Nissan Rogue 2nd place despite the fact that it has a bone jarring ride that is by far worse than the rest. They forgave it because it handled the best.

WTF is it? Best handling or softest ride the streets? It's like the moment they get behind the wheel of a BMW the comparison is pretty much decided regardless of performance/price factors or purpose of the comparison.

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It's comparo test results like this one, that made me drop my subscription to C&D years ago. I haven't picked up an issue since. I see that not much has changed. They really should change the name to "BMW & Driver."

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They really should change the name to "BMW & Driver."



More like 'BMW & Douche Driver"

I'll continue reading Jalopnik, thanks.

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http://digg.com/autos/Proof_that_Ca...in_bed_with_BMW

I love the translations by rage2. The homepage version is much milder

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Originally posted by kenny
http://digg.com/autos/Proof_that_Ca...in_bed_with_BMW

I love the translations by rage2. The homepage version is much milder


If I wasn't a BMW owner myself, I would've been a lot more harsh haha.

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Originally posted by rage2

If I wasn't a BMW owner myself, I would've been a lot more harsh haha.


Too bad your bmw has the bad qualities that the gtr and 911 have though, blown six, too much power, too much boost. It must therefore sound like a dyson
C&D is out to an 89coupe lunch with this, maybe in the next issue there will be a Dinan 335i and 135i thrown in and because they are cheap and powerful they will become the new kings.

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Look at the reviews of the article at the bottom of the page. Everyone is saying that C&D takes it up the butt from BMW.

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C&D is out to an 89coupe lunch with this






The last C&D comparo I read about the BMW, awarded top honours to the BMW even though the car wasn't even running properly when they drove it. I'm sure there's a lot of politics with these magazines and I wouldn't be surprised if the manufacturers probably paid off the magazines for good reviews...

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Originally posted by heavyD
It's not just C&D that has a bias with BMW. Motor trend has a comparison of the EVO X MR vs the 135i and they give the victory to the 135i despite the fact that the MR crushes it around the track by 3 seconds/lap and has in their words a 'stunning transmission' is almost $10K less but in their opinion the MR rides too rough compared to the 135i on the streets so the Bimmer wins.

In the same magazine they test a bunch of CUV's and give the Nissan Rogue 2nd place despite the fact that it has a bone jarring ride that is by far worse than the rest. They forgave it because it handled the best.

WTF is it? Best handling or softest ride the streets? It's like the moment they get behind the wheel of a BMW the comparison is pretty much decided regardless of performance/price factors or purpose of the comparison.



That is stupid. As hot as the GT-R is for peeps with bags of cash, the EVO X is as hot for normal folk.

Best car ever sub $40k IMO.

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C&D and BMW bang each others husbands and they share each others cottages. There has to be some kind of co-ownership going on.

Good comment at the bottom of the page about how retared C&D is:

I have to agree with Adam's assessment of car and driver. You guys really absolutely love BMW. The M3 is clearly slower than the other two around a track, on a test for track worthiness, and yet it still comes out on top. That just doesn't make sense. Not only that, but the M3 just isn't what it used to be. A chipped 335i can come close or take an M3 around a track these days. Considering the power and amazing driveability of the GTR and the Turbo, there is no way in hell that the M3 should have one this (let alone even be in the lineup, but hey, how else are you going to give BMW top honors if they aren't included, might as well have compared these two to the 128i, still probably would have one). Canceling my subscription now....



C&D is fucked up with their bias for BMWs.

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That is stupid. As hot as the GT-R is for peeps with bags of cash, the EVO X is as hot for normal folk.

Best car ever sub $40k IMO.



the EVO MR is 50K+

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