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Porsche has accused Nissan of cheating in the GT-R's record bid at the Nurburgring racetrack.

Porsche has just run its own back-to-back tests with the Japanese company's GT-R supercar and says it could not get within 25 seconds of Nissan's claimed record time of seven minutes 29 seconds in April.

It also found its 911 Turbo and GT2 were both quicker than the GT-R.

"This wonder car with 7:29 could not have been a regular series production car," says August Achleitner, the 911 product chief for Porsche, speaking to the CARSguide at the Australian press preview of the latest 911 Cabrio.

"For us, it's not clear how this time is possible. What we can imagine with this Nissan is they used other tyres."

He believes the time achieved by Nissan with ex-Formula One driver Toshio Suzuki would only be possible with a semi-slick race-style tyre.

Achleitner says Porsche took a standard GT-R, running on regular road tyres, and ran it around the Nurburgring within two hours of its own cars, on the same day with exactly the same weather conditions.

He says there was no tweaking of any kind and the GT2 and Turbo both ran on regular Porsche road tyres, the Michelin Sport Cup.

"We bought the car in the US. We drove a GT-R with new tyres," he says.

Achleitner was initially protective of the exact lap times, which were run during a program when Porsche also compared its upcoming four-door Panamera with a range of potential rivals.

But he eventually revealed his team clocked the GT-R at 7 minutes 54 seconds, with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34.

The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

Achleitner says the back-to-back comparison was run because Porsche was concerned by Nissan's claims for the GT-R, which is heavier than the 911 with similar power.

"The Nissan is a good car. I don't want to make anything bad with my words," he says.

"It's a very consistent car. But this car is about 20 kilos heavier than the Turbo . . ."

In the end, Porsche believes its testing has achieved the right lap times for the Skyline GT-R and benchmarked it against its own 911 heroes in the right context.

"For us it has been clearly the result. This technical puzzle now fits together. With the other numbers we had problems to understand it," he says.

- Herald Sun

They should really hop over to France and get some cheese with that whine.

hahahaha agreed.

I'm surprised it took them this long to write this article.

Of course they would try to save face they're charging twice the price for the same (or less) performance.

Seems kind of odd to me that they had their own "specialist" doing the testing rather than some object third party.

I'm not so sure... Porsche seems classier than to make something up.

For Porsche to publicly say this it's either: 1) true or 2) one of the worst public statements in Porsche's history.

Why doesn't Nissan send a driver to show them how to do a proper lap time in a real 'production' spec GT-R? Something isn't right with either Porsche's GT-R driver or the car that Nissan used get to it's laptime.

Either Nissan or Porsche is about to look like an ass

[Edited: to fix my typos]

Porsche is by far a more profitable company than Nissan on a per-car basis. Strange they would be concerned over claims they were not the fastest.

In the end, does anyone REALLY care? These are both ridiculously fast cars any of us have a right to own any time soon.

lol tyres



anyone else notice ?

awesome...simply awesome.

Originally posted by jeremyn
lol tyres



anyone else notice ?

Lol, n00b. Try looking up how they spell "Tire" in the rest of the world sometime.

It isn't whining if they really were cheating and whats being said is true. What they are doing here is squealing or ratting.

once again.... all engines are hand built
not one is the same

can't wait for Nissan to prove them wrong

maybe they forgot to put a nissan driver into the GT-R

i mean seriously, if they really wanted to make a comparison, make sure the guy driving the competition won't be biased towards the company he works for

Hahahaha you must be kidding right?? The engines are hand assembled, not hand made On top of that, each engine is dyno tested afterwards to make sure they're within spec. Even assuming that you're right and each engine is completely different from each other, you really think it would account for a 20+ second a lap difference? Bitch please, you will be waiting a long time for Nissan to prove them wrong.

Maybe on the timed lap it was the 16th time they had launched the GTR and the tranny had some issues for 20+ seconds? Hahaha

I thought it was common knowledge that Nissan used cut slicks when they did their timing, am I missing something here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsc...stest_lap_times

According to that, the laptime is noted with "base GTR with stock tires".

You stay classy Ferdinand.