Shoot or no shoot?
I was asked to make up a thread to talk about lethal force encounters and what it takes for the police to make their decision so I am going to take a stab at it. I don't have a whole lot of time before I go to work and it is very complex to talk about so I'll do my best with the short time I have to type.
It is not a simple equation of A+B=C. There is not formula that dictates the amount of force used. It is based on perception and knowledge of the situation, people involved, the officers physical skill level, the conditions of the environment, number of people, etc. It is very difficult to train for and present, especially without being able to put people into realistic scenarios so that they can experience and work through problems to see how and why you would react.
Fist thing to consider is that lethal force is anything that can reasonably cause death or grievous bodily harm. It's not just the cop's firearm, but it could be their baton, car, even their pen or bare hands during a fight. The firearm has the longest range and one of the easiest to bring onto a target so it is the one usually used, but it isn't the only lethal use of force tool out there.
Really it comes down to the individual officer's perceptions and if they truthfully believe that their life or someone else's is in immediate danger. A small police woman may feel more in danger in a physical struggle with a large man than a 6'10" 300lb cop. There have been justified shootings from cops being in struggles with people. Remember there is always at least 1 firearm at every call a cop responds to, their own. If the cop gets knocked out, he is unable to defend himself. Say a cop gets knocked to the ground during a struggle, which gives the bad guy a chance to get away. If instead the bad guy continues his attack the cop has real reason to believe that their life is in danger and the person is looking to cause harm. They had an opportunity to escape and instead they continue their attack. There is real fear in that situation that if the person continues their attack and is successful the cop could be hurt or even killed by their own weapons.
Also think about this situation. You are a cop and responding to a disturbance outside a bar. You arrive on scene and find a fight. You are 30 feet away and a guy is on his hands and knees bleeding from his mouth and nose. A guy is 5 feet away and is lining up a soccer style kick to his head. What would you do?
Another scenario that really hits home the protection of life and serious decision making you guys can think over and even post on what you would do and why.
You are working on a Saturday afternoon somewhere in the SW. It has been a quiet day and a few more hours and you are done. A call comes over the radio. A neighbor has dialed 911 because they have been hearing shouting next door for the last half hour and then there was what they believed to be gun shots and things are quiet now. A few neighbors have phoned in that they have heard what they believed to be gun shots or fireworks. No one is familiar with gun shot sounds.
As you respond to the scene dispatch comes up with a history on the house. The parents are chronic alcoholics that fight a lot. We go to the house on average a few times a month and usually arrest the father for hitting the wife. She refuses to leave him. There is also a 16 year old daughter that lives in the house who has taken on the role of raising the 2 younger siblings, a brother and sister ages 6 and 8.
You arrive on scene and are told by the Sergent to take up a position of cover where you can see the front of the house. You get into position and other units help contain the resistance. At this time dispatch attempts to make phone contact with the house. No one answers the phone for the next 20 minutes.
Suddenly the front door opens and the 16 year old daughter walks out. You are 30 feet away in your position of cover and you see what you believe to be a handgun in her right hand. She is holding it loosely and down by her side. She isn't swinging it or pointing it anywhere. She takes about 10 steps outside and looks around. You challenge her and tell her you are the police and that she has to drop her weapon. She looks in your direction, never moving the gun and has a blank stare. She slowly turns around and starts walking back to the door.
What do you do?
"It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong....I'm not a big man" Chevy Chase, Fletch Lives.