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Tesla Model S = Deathtrap quote:

The IIHS put the model S through it's first ever crash test.... and not surprisingly, it has missed out on getting the Model S as a top safety pick.

What does that mean? Simply, the car has to achieve a "good" rating in 5 categories. It actually isn't that hard, and really any car in this insane price range should meet the minimum requirements, or so you would think... but the model S didn't do well in a few examples:

In a front overlap test... the seat-belt didn't hold the dummy back and it's head went through the airbag and hit the steering wheel. Ouch!

Another problem is the battery weight of the car basically crushes it when it rolls over. It only achieved an "acceptable" rating in this category as a result.

And finally, the IIHS gives a + rating for cars with adequate headlamps. those fancy LED's that Elon dreamed up were unfortunately rated poor.

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/02/01/...i3-crash-tests/


Tisk Tisk... what would Supe have to say about this short coming?

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Wait... isn't crash testing a requirement before any new model can be sold? The S has been out for years? I don't get it

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So it passed all the government mandated benchmarks to be saleable. It's safe enough.

But it isn't toyota camry safe.

Noted.

Seems like SP has a bone to pick with Tesla.

Nothing to see here.

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What happened to it was so safe it broke the testing equipment and was the safest vehicle ever made?

Where does such a large discrepency come in

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What happened to it was so safe it broke the testing equipment and was the safest vehicle ever made?

Where does such a large discrepency come in



That's from NHTSA. IIHS is a higher standard, the front offset is especially brutal and caught a lot of manufacturers off guard.

Strange that best for NHTSA is passable for IIHS.

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Oh Elon, fooled us again.

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That's from NHTSA. IIHS is a higher standard, the front offset is especially brutal and caught a lot of manufacturers off guard.

Strange that best for NHTSA is passable for IIHS.



So did a camry break the NHTSA's testing machine too?

In the article it says that this came from the new heavier battery. How much does a P100D weigh over a Model S 60 that the roof now buckles due to the extra weight??

There just seems to be a gigantic gap between "safest vehicle ever made" claims and doesn't even get a 5 star safety rating that so many other cars get? So my question is, which time were we being lied to?

Also did anyone else notice that the starting price for a new P100D managed to creep up to 200 grand?

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All the american muscle fails the IIHS hard too and you can easily buy models for ~$80-$90K:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/mustan...hs-crash-tests/

And european tests:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...w-vehicle-road/

Is it really that unusual to do more than the minimum?

In other news I was told by the dealership that a Mercedes S-class can handle a head on highway speed collision and all passengers survive - not sure if that's true or not but if so that seems very impressive.

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Off topic but doesn't subaru top the charts of the iihs?

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Re: Tesla Model S = Deathtrap quote:

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Tesla Model S = Deathtrap



Just because it isn't a top safety pick doesn't make it a deathtrap....

It still scored better than many other cars out there. And Tesla also stated they are working on improvements and will provide another car and they are also getting ready to update the headlights to improve performance. That is better than most manufacturers would do. Most would just wait until they release the next model.

You should consider applying to Fox news, you write their type of headlines

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Re: Re: Tesla Model S = Deathtrap quote:

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You should consider applying to Fox news, you write their type of headlines



Clickbait and I fell for it too. Will approach future threads with more skepticism.

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Off topic but doesn't subaru top the charts of the iihs?



For some reason, Impreza has always been good but WRX which is based on Impreza is only marginal/acceptable.

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For some reason, Impreza has always been good but WRX which is based on Impreza is only marginal/acceptable.



It is because of the Eyesight system that subaru uses.. The impreza has Eye sight available but the WRX does not.

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CX-5 is safer than the Tesla.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/ve...4-door-suv/2016

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Also some nasty electrical fires that can happen with these electric cars.

The new Camry is supposed to be nice. And it's "grounded to the ground" lol...and the new one might even come with a pre-installed "Camry dent".

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Re: Re: Tesla Model S = Deathtrap quote:

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Just because it isn't a top safety pick doesn't make it a deathtrap....

It still scored better than many other cars out there. And Tesla also stated they are working on improvements and will provide another car and they are also getting ready to update the headlights to improve performance. That is better than most manufacturers would do. Most would just wait until they release the next model.

You should consider applying to Fox news, you write their type of headlines



Elon was calling it the safest car ever... and went on and on about how safe it is. So me calling it a deathtrap is basically a way of balancing out the embellishment

Besides, if you are going to drive a car that runs itself into things, it better have a higher front end collision rating.

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Originally posted by killramos

Also did anyone else notice that the starting price for a new P100D managed to creep up to 200 grand?




$222k optioned out No thanks, I'll take an S63. Sure I might be a second slower 0-60, but according to Sugarphreak, I won't die

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Re: Re: Re: Tesla Model S = Deathtrap quote:

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Elon was calling it the safest car ever... and went on and on about how safe it is. So me calling it a deathtrap is basically a way of balancing out the embellishment

Besides, if you are going to drive a car that runs itself into things, it better have a higher front end collision rating.



lol That is true, but you have to consider time on this. The Model S has been out for about 5 years now. It was really ahead at the time it was introduced. Things constantly change though including how tests are ran. Every month a different vehicle could technically be the best at that given moment.

What does impress me about Tesla is they push limits and continuously improve their product. Most auto companies release a product, will use service bulletins to cover issues, will make a few fixes/updates after 3-4 years and wait for bigger changes 5-8 years.

I hope Tesla succeeds only to push the other manufacturers more.

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I really don't see the issue, the offset collision test had almost all cars failing the first time they ran the test. I really don't see how these rating are applicable, unless they had to 're-test' the Model S because of the minor modification in the grill

Also, the apparent benchmark for the headlight test is the Toyota Prius because the headlights are not extremely bright, they are focused (don't dazzle) and don't pivot. The multi-thousand dollar LED options found on BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, etc all failed and continue to fail in current tests.

Funny how less technology is safer than more sophisticated systems.


And death trap is an extreme response to a marginal test result.

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It is because of the Eyesight system that subaru uses.. The impreza has Eye sight available but the WRX does not.



This goes back 5 years, before Eye Sight even available. Are there front suspension differences between WRX and Impreza? Safety is the reason Honda took away double wishbone front away from Civic before.

And since we are starting the Tesla hate train again, here's some fuel:

http://jalopnik.com/anyone-can-open...-key-1792149106

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