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Finding a fun car with a sub-$400 lease payment though is a challenge.



Fiesta ST

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Fiesta ST



Or GTI

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Fiesta ST

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2

Or GTI

Yup

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Fiesta ST



I just looked at Car & Driver but is it true that with 197 HP that tiny little car still needs 7 seconds 0-60? How is it that slow?

I had also looked at the Focus ST but the online calculators had it over $400/mo if I recall.

Really trying to stay closer to $300/mo side which is looking to be very difficult.

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Really trying to stay closer to $300/mo side which is looking to be very difficult.



That's $100 drop will not get you anything fun.

There is no way you can get decent turbo for that price. All you get will be pedestrian 1.4/1.5L turbos or <2L NA.

Also I think someone is trying to sell a low mileage Fiesta ST in market place too for < $20K.

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That's $100 drop will not get you anything fun.

There is no way you can get decent turbo for that price. All you get will be pedestrian 1.4/1.5L turbos or &lt;2L NA.

Also I think someone is trying to sell a low mileage Fiesta ST in market place too for &lt; $20K.



The problem is the well known $299/mo Cadillac ATS 2.0T AWD 8AT deal that is currently not available. If it was still going, I would have already signed the papers. Knowing that was available and might again sometime in the future ruins absolutely everything haha. The car is not worth anywhere near its $50K window sticker, but it's obviously vastly preferable to the econo-boxes which cost the same amount. Because of that deal, everything else seems like a rip-off and I can't get my head around it haha.

The sweet spot for most other cars seem to be $400/mo but that is more than I'm willing to spend on a car payment right now.

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I just looked at Car & Driver but is it true that with 197 HP that tiny little car still needs 7 seconds 0-60? How is it that slow?

I had also looked at the Focus ST but the online calculators had it over $400/mo if I recall.

Really trying to stay closer to $300/mo side which is looking to be very difficult.



Front wheel drive + turbo = hard to get grip and to launch. Even second gear when full boost hits I generally lose traction. Keep in mind the fiesta is incredible light (2700lbs) so its very nimble in the corners and playing around but low speed it doesn't have much weight to catch grip.

Also with the gearing IIRC I have to shift into 3rd right about 85-90km, so that adds more time to get up to 100.

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Front wheel drive + turbo = hard to get grip and to launch. Even second gear when full boost hits I generally lose traction. Keep in mind the fiesta is incredible light (2700lbs) so its very nimble in the corners and playing around but low speed it doesn't have much weight to catch grip.

Also with the gearing IIRC I have to shift into 3rd right about 85-90km, so that adds more time to get up to 100.



Yeah that 3rd shift is probably what kills it the most. Even a Civic with the boring CVT , 200+ extra pounds, and 174hp is faster. The Fiest ST is probably more fun to throw around though.

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The slow 0-60 for the Fiesta is mostly due to traction limits and gearing. When you launch, even if you can somehow hook up with good tires and no spin, the entire rev range of 1st gear is over in literally 1 second and you have to shift.

It isn't built to be a drag car at all, and I think people that buy it to race from light to light are going to be disappointing with it.

Once you get to speed, really any speed, it is pretty amazing. Most people I have let drive my car actually start laughing out loud when they stomp the gas in 2nd or 3rd because it pulls unexpectedly hard. It has a wicked chassis, superb OE brakes, and physics defying handling for a FWD.

I even heard Reijo say it was the best handling FWD car he has ever driven a number of times


I have noticed quite a few people selling theirs only a year or two in, so it isn't for everybody. GTSJeff is getting rid of his with very low mileage, I was going to ask him why whenever he actually gets it sold.


Originally posted by pheoxs
Also with the gearing IIRC I have to shift into 3rd right about 85-90km, so that adds more time to get up to 100.



Yeah, right around 100km/h somewhere you hit the rev limiter


Originally posted by jwslam
Not sure I would trust the insane amounts of pressure required, especially in a first gen model.

There'd be so much more integrity required in the components, most likely resulting in a heavier engine...


All I can think is the fuel pump will be prone to failure, and it is going to be obscenely expensive... like 5K+ just for the pump

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The problem is the well known $299/mo Cadillac ATS 2.0T AWD 8AT deal that is currently not available. If it was still going, I would have already signed the papers. Knowing that was available and might again sometime in the future ruins absolutely everything haha. The car is not worth anywhere near its $50K window sticker, but it's obviously vastly preferable to the econo-boxes which cost the same amount. Because of that deal, everything else seems like a rip-off and I can't get my head around it haha.

The sweet spot for most other cars seem to be $400/mo but that is more than I'm willing to spend on a car payment right now.



you want fun and mentioned ATS?

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you want fun and mentioned ATS?



Well it's definitely better than Mazda 3 and Civic in some regard.

And the fact is that it's a $55K car that dealer will sell it for $40K or lease it like a $30K car. Damn good bang for the bucks.

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you want fun and mentioned ATS?



Can you find me a brand new car with a better combination of power/fun and luxury for $299/mo lease, free maintenance & oil changes? I haven't been able to find one yet. It even had AWD.

As I said earlier, I think the ATS is a very underwhelming vehicle overall and not worth anywhere near it's $50K price tag. HOWEVER, comparing an ATS to a base model Civic with no options or some other $20K econo box that also costs $299/mo, it looks pretty damn good.

A base Civic DX with zero options and a manual transmission costs more money to lease than that.

A base Mazda 3 with zero options that only costs $17,000 after incentives is still $295/mo to least for 36 months - they don't even offer a 24 month option and if they did it would be over $300. The ATS deal is insane value.

Sadly the deal is not available right now or I would have already done it.

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Not sure I would trust the insane amounts of pressure required, especially in a first gen model.

There'd be so much more integrity required in the components, most likely resulting in a heavier engine...





Tier 4 diesel engines do >30,000 PSI in the fuel rail... Should be a solved problem so I don't know that I would worry overmuch on that front.

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Gasoline will also ignite at half of what diesel requires. Pressures shouldn't be an issue.

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