Alberta Provincial Right wing party discussion

[ZenOps]

I don't know that the provincial government has all that much power anyhow.

Even at the federal level, Canada is a Constitutional Monarchy. Which is wholy different from Socialism and a fair step away from Democracy or Facism as well.

A step towards being a Constitutional Democracy would probably require that the Queen give up a whole whack ton of power, not the least of which is a requirement to fight as an ally in war if Britain ever comes under fire.

Noone really talks about military in provincial or federal politics because really - its not our call.

It does make for a much more friendly nation however. If you know that you own nothing and we all pay into one king or queen, and the courts are all crown courts - there is very little grey area for complaints.

[95EagleAWD]

Originally posted by ZenOps
I don't know that the provincial government has all that much power anyhow.

Even at the federal level, Canada is a Constitutional Monarchy. Which is wholy different from Socialism and a fair step away from Democracy or Facism as well.

A step towards being a Constitutional Democracy would probably require that the Queen give up a whole whack ton of power, not the least of which is a requirement to fight as an ally in war if Britain ever comes under fire.

Noone really talks about military in provincial or federal politics because really - its not our call.

It does make for a much more friendly nation however. If you know that you own nothing and we all pay into one king or queen, and the courts are all crown courts - there is very little grey area for complaints.

Are you retarded?

Entering wars is definitely Canada's call. Has been since 1931, which is why Canada didn't automatically declare war on Germany the same time as the UK did. We declared war on the 10th of September, not the 3rd. (Fun fact, we also declared war on Japan before the USA did.)

The Queen does not say whether we go to war or not, which is why she had no say about us sitting out Iraq, despite Britain's partcipation, yet participating in Kosovo, etc.

And if we HAD to defend the UK when it came under attack, where was the Canadian contingent in the Falklands?

[Feruk]

Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
And if we HAD to defend the UK when it came under attack, where was the Canadian contingent in the Falklands?

Lol, the Falklands.

[ZenOps]

And I will add this little tidbit.

Its kind of racist at the very least Euro centric to require that a person be able to communicate in both French and English to enter certain rungs of politics.

I mean that would be like requiring Rob Anders to learn both Chinese and Japanese to shine my shoes.

[95EagleAWD]

Originally posted by ZenOps
And I will add this little tidbit.

Its kind of racist at the very least Euro centric to require that a person be able to communicate in both French and English to enter certain rungs of politics.

I mean that would be like requiring Rob Anders to learn both Chinese and Japanese to shine my shoes.

The official languages of this country are French and English, and it's expected that people who hold high office can communicate with their citizens in either.

[95EagleAWD]

Originally posted by Feruk

Lol, the Falklands.

What, it's as stupid a comment as his is haha!

[Gestalt]

Originally posted by ZenOps
And I will add this little tidbit.

Its kind of racist at the very least Euro centric to require that a person be able to communicate in both French and English to enter certain rungs of politics.

I mean that would be like requiring Rob Anders to learn both Chinese and Japanese to shine my shoes.

Where's the like button.

[ExtraSlow]

Who is planning to vote or has already voted in either the Wildrose or Alberta Progressive Conservative ballots regarding unifying the two parties?
I assume the measure will pass on both sides, but it may not be a landslide, and the hard work will need to start next week.

[HiTempguy1]

I'm kind of pissed at Jean. There was an article recently that said he'd steer the party to the center. Getting sick of the conservative parties acting like cum guzzling liberals who'll suck anyone off for a vote.

A properly conservative party will win in this province if the vote isnt split.

[dirtsniffer]

Socially progressive, fiscally conservative. Can't be that hard.

Tbh the wildrose could use some public discussion on the social stance. PCs had the right formula for a long time until they started spending like crazy.

[Buster]

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Socially progressive, fiscally conservative. Can't be that hard.

Tbh the wildrose could use some public discussion on the social stance. PCs had the right formula for a long time until they started spending like crazy.

what yo uare describing then is libertarian, without using the word (or the new version - classical liberal).

When people say they are "socially progressive" thats code for : let me live my life. The problem is that modern social progressive agenda is decidedly authoritarian in nature.

[J-hop]

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I'm kind of pissed at Jean. There was an article recently that said he'd steer the party to the center. Getting sick of the conservative parties acting like cum guzzling liberals who'll suck anyone off for a vote.

A properly conservative party will win in this province if the vote isnt split.

He realizes he lives in a province that elected an NDP government by a landslide. Those people want nothing to do with a socially Conservative party.

[kertejud2]

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He realizes he lives in a province that elected an NDP government by a landslide. Those people want nothing to do with a socially Conservative party.

It's more than that, even. They also elected a PC government in a landslide after the WRP spent nearly the whole election well ahead in the polls. In two elections the party won only 3 seats in Calgary and Edmonton (that's not each election it is important to highlight. 3 total).

And in 2015 The WRP may have won more seats than in 2012 but they received significantly less votes and received less votes than the PCs to boot (again those pesky city slickers). That's why despite being the Official Opposition they aren't the one's really in the driver's seat for uniting the right.

Losing to the NDP was definitely bad for them, but it was the realization they were still only the second most desired conservative party in the province that would have stung more.

[HiTempguy1]

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He realizes he lives in a province that elected an NDP government by a landslide. Those people want nothing to do with a socially Conservative party.

Nope. If you look at the actual election results, it wasn't an NDP landslide. The Cons and WR together beat the NDP by 100k votes. Additionally, people were super pissed at the Cons and not voting for them.

A social and fiscal conservative party can easily win. Everyone is done with the NDP.

[kertejud2]

Why are you showing a poll and not the actual results?

Despite the 'comfortable lead' they still ended up with less votes than the PCs people were shying away from (but went back when they saw the NDP take the lead in the final week+). Their seat count just highlights how over-represented rural voters are (*in polls) in provincial politics. The Wild Rose can't win without the cities, and the cities don't want a(n overtly) socially conservative party. The PCs were done two elections ago and managed to win a majority in one and get more votes in the other. It's a pretty clear message.

[schurchill39]

Looks like the Wildrose Party voted YES to merge. Now just waiting on the PCs

[ExtraSlow]

Wildrose had the tighter requirements I believe. Very strong mandate.
I'm both excited and scared about the process of building a policy for this new party. There are many pitfalls between this point and winning an election.

[suntan]

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Why are you showing a poll and not the actual results?

Despite the 'comfortable lead' they still ended up with less votes than the PCs people were shying away from (but went back when they saw the NDP take the lead in the final week+). Their seat count just highlights how over-represented rural voters are (*in polls) in provincial politics. The Wild Rose can't win without the cities, and the cities don't want a(n overtly) socially conservative party. The PCs were done two elections ago and managed to win a majority in one and get more votes in the other. It's a pretty clear message.

In the 2015 election, the WR + Cons got more votes than the NDP. Take that for what you will.

[ExtraSlow]

I know we all like to imagine, but in a multi-party system like ours it's rare that adding up the second and third place parties WOULDN'T get more votes than the first place party.
Don't be fooled, the UCP isn't guaranteed the same level of support.

[ExtraSlow]

Well it's official, PC's have voted for unity as well. Let's get this started.