dog barking next door, redux

[Buster]

So my neighbor has too little schnauzer type dogs. They bark a lot. They go INSANE when my kids are out playing.

It's terrible.

What makes this a bit different is that they feel very bad about the dog barking. They practically ran up to us when we moved in talk to us about it, apologizing in advance.

They're really nice people. Their kids are really nice. We like them.

So it's not like I want to take a really nasty approach to this. But it seems to me that if you know your dogs bark, there are things that can be done.

Isn't de-barking a really simply procedure, and not actually cruel as people seem to suggest? Is there some reason this might not be done?

I know I could do the whole 311 thing, but I'd rather not go down that road.

[suntan]

Some people don't really give a shit. Apologies are free, dog training costs money.

[JohnnyHockey]

Our dogs bark a lot...I bought them these bark collars for $30 each and they work like a charm. ..you can set to either emit a high pitch beep or vibrate. ..no shock so they are humane. I'd suggest printing out the ad for them. ..mine were from CT. They might not know about these things...

[vengie]

1) The owners need to take control of their fence (house). The dogs have claimed possession and are defending their territory.

The owner needs to calmly get in between the dog and the fence while the dog is barking, and back him/her away and get them to lay down in their "place" or bed. This will need to be done A LOT to start the habit. Also, they need to likely take control of their house as well. They likely have their dogs all over their furniture etc creating the stigma in the dogs mind that they are on equal terms with their humans thus taking ownership of the house.

Very common problem with "lap" dogs.

2) The use of a citronella collar will help discourage their barking.

[Buster]

I did some research on the high pitch thingies that you can set up to stop the dogs from barking. But apparently they are junk. I did do some reading on ones that are custom built and REALLY loud.

The neighbors on the other side of us REALLY hate these dogs, and they have been here for much longer. The dog owners also had some massive issues with the previous owner of our house. So they basically acknowledge the problem. They just don't appear willing to go to any length to solve it.

Isn't the easiest solution the surgery thing?

[vengie]

Originally posted by Buster

Isn't the easiest solution the surgery thing?

Extremely inhumane.

The easiest solution is for the owners to start being responsible fucking owners and take control of their dogs.

This pisses me off to no end.

[Buster]

Q: Is this a "cruel and barbaric procedure?"

A: No. People with little or no experience raising naturally noisy and talkative breeds may tell you this. People with breeds like Shetland Sheepdogs (Shelties) can tell you that this procedure is simple and that it saves lives of dogs that might otherwise be dumped in the pound for their barking. Debarking is a more simple procedure than removing the uterus in spaying or removing testicles in neutering.

Q: Do dogs suffer emotionally from debarking?

A: It is a huge myth to suggest dogs are emotionally disturbed by debarking. Debarked dogs can bark. Even if reduced sound comes out of their mouths, they don't seem to notice at all! Debarked dogs that are not being constantly disciplined for barking, in fact, tend to be much happier dogs!

Q: Is it true that only criminals and drug dealers debark dogs?

http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/a....enVV32Vu.dpbs

[ercchry]

I have big dogs... But an actual shock collar is magic, you beep them while giving the command you want, if they don't listen you give them a zap. Works so well that I don't have to zap more than once every few days if that

When I don't have it handy I've gone old school... Little nip on the ear, turns the big tough retard dog into a little pussy

But really, as a neighbor you can't train their dogs for them... So not much you can do but yell at them to shut up when the humans are in ear shot... My parents have newer neighbors with a pair of little rat dogs that bark all day too... My mom loves dogs but even she can't stand it, they have yet to find a solution and it's probably been at least 3 years

[vengie]

Originally posted by Buster
Q: Is this a "cruel and barbaric procedure?"

A: No. People with little or no experience raising naturally noisy and talkative breeds may tell you this. People with breeds like Shetland Sheepdogs (Shelties) can tell you that this procedure is simple and that it saves lives of dogs that might otherwise be dumped in the pound for their barking. Debarking is a more simple procedure than removing the uterus in spaying or removing testicles in neutering.

Q: Do dogs suffer emotionally from debarking?

A: It is a huge myth to suggest dogs are emotionally disturbed by debarking. Debarked dogs can bark. Even if reduced sound comes out of their mouths, they don't seem to notice at all! Debarked dogs that are not being constantly disciplined for barking, in fact, tend to be much happier dogs!

Q: Is it true that only criminals and drug dealers debark dogs?

http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/a....enVV32Vu.dpbs

Would be no different than removing your vocal cords.

Why punish the dog for negligence of the owner?


The unfortunate reality with people (arrogance) is they love the idea of having a dog, but don't give a shit to raise it properly and then dump it to the pound when it gets hard.

[Disoblige]

Originally posted by vengie

The easiest solution is for the owners to start being responsible fucking owners and take control of their dogs.

This. If more people put in the effort and time to raise their dogs instead of the "dogs will be dogs" mentality, what a difference in the world we would live in.

I have 2 shiba inu's that drive me crazy sometimes. But they are very trainable if you put in some time, effort, and research.

Same logic with kids, really.

[Abeo]

Originally posted by Buster
Q: Is this a "cruel and barbaric procedure?"

A: No. People with little or no experience raising naturally noisy and talkative breeds may tell you this.

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lol, wtf?

http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/a....enVV32Vu.dpbs

The National Animal Interest Alliance is a front group and industry funded lobbying organization for animal commerce and agribusiness.

I wouldn't put too much weight into that article.

Also, humane or inhumane, if the owners are lazy and think apologizing is the answer rather than training, the problem will just shift around.

[vengie]

Originally posted by Buster
Q: Is this a &quot;cruel and barbaric procedure?&quot;

A: No. People with little or no experience raising naturally noisy and talkative breeds may tell you this. People with breeds like Shetland Sheepdogs (Shelties) can tell you that this procedure is simple and that it saves lives of dogs that might otherwise be dumped in the pound for their barking. Debarking is a more simple procedure than removing the uterus in spaying or removing testicles in neutering.

Q: Do dogs suffer emotionally from debarking?

A: It is a huge myth to suggest dogs are emotionally disturbed by debarking. Debarked dogs can bark. Even if reduced sound comes out of their mouths, they don't seem to notice at all! Debarked dogs that are not being constantly disciplined for barking, in fact, tend to be much happier dogs!

Q: Is it true that only criminals and drug dealers debark dogs?

http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/a....enVV32Vu.dpbs

A little further down in the same page

Q: Do people debark just to avoid training their dogs?

A: The majority of people who debark have run out of options and are trying to be good neighbors. We are not talking about people who are irresponsible and leave their dogs out all night or ignore chronic barking. We are talking about people who understand that the piercing bark of a Sheltie, even on limited occasions, can be enough to cause a war in built up residential neighborhoods. Animal rights interests have painted debarking as a cruel quick fix when in fact it is something no owner does lightly.


This is not about being good neighbors, I am willing to guarantee you those owners have not taken the time to train their dogs, set boundaries, EXERCISE THEM (and I don't mean letting them roam the backyard, I mean structured exercise), or have tried taking them to dog classes the LEARN to control these behaviors.

[suntan]

My sister taught her dog to stop barking in about three weeks through training classes.

It ain't hard.

[vengie]

Originally posted by suntan
My sister taught her dog to stop barking in about three weeks through training classes.

It ain't hard.

I did the same thing with my Pitbull. Friend did the same with his Rottweiler and Border Collie.

I agree fully, its not hard, you just need to stay consistent.

[Buster]

I think it would be great if they could come up with a humane, and responsible solution.

But dogs aren't people, and dogs do not have the same rights as people/kids, etc.

So really, I'm only interested in the most expedient solution.

I'd love the zap zap collars. Those sound great.

[suntan]

Most expedient solution? Throw some dark chocolate over the fence.

[dirtsniffer]

about 1 ounce per pound of dog should do the trick

[gretz]

Originally posted by suntan
Most expedient solution? Throw some dark chocolate over the fence.

Savage lol...

A huge pack of sausages would be more effective, "punish" the owners, not the kids

[vengie]

Originally posted by Buster


So really, I'm only interested in the most expedient solution.

I'd love the zap zap collars. Those sound great.

A shock collar on a dog that size will likely kill it.

The most expedient solution? Grow a pair, call 311 and tell your neighbors enough fucking around, be responsible owners and get their dogs trained.

Its like raising douche bag kids.

[Disoblige]

Originally posted by suntan
Most expedient solution? Throw some dark chocolate over the fence.

Tea all over keyboard. Thanks.