Gas prices are up SHARPLY

[kaput]

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[Xtrema]

Probably add like $60 a month for me for gas. Not too bad yet. I'm sure we will be hit harder on food prices tho.

[sillysod]

Time for N. America to jump on board

[broken_legs]

Originally posted by sillysod
Time for N. America to jump on board

Cause if everyone switched to diesel, then we wouldn't need gas.

[78si]

I spotted a black RHD 2002-2005 Honda CRV diesel on sarcee/glenmore Sunday morning. It had Alberta plates on it! I'm not sure how he plated it, but it was cool.

[msommers]

Definitely looking forward to May Long when prices are up at like 1.60/L for premium because of 'worldly influence' Hell even the whole summer is gonna suck. 100 bucks to fill up the pig. Awesome!

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I'm keeping my gas cans stocked with premium for my ATV and car lol.

[Cos]

Originally posted by sillysod
Time for N. America to jump on board

My truck averages 15 - 20L / 100km depending on my driving. Buddies new Cummins diesel averages 20-22 L/100km.

How would diesel help?

[zipdoa]

Originally posted by Cos


My truck averages 15 - 20L / 100km depending on my driving. Buddies new Cummins diesel averages 20-22 L/100km.

How would diesel help?

My Passat TDI did 60+ MPG = 3.9 l/100km

Diesel is also less expensive than petrol. You can also convert TDI's to run off veggie oil.

How would diesel motors NOT help? There's a reason why most of europe runs on it. There's also other options aside ridiculously large displacement trucks - not everyone needs to be king of the road.

[Shax]

Originally posted by zipdoa




My Passat TDI did 60+ MPG = 3.9 l/100km

Diesel is also less expensive than petrol. You can also convert TDI's to run off veggie oil.

How would diesel motors NOT help? There's a reason why most of europe runs on it. There's also other options aside ridiculously large displacement trucks - not everyone needs to be king of the road.

There is a reason why they don't sell all of the VW Group (audi, vw w.e) diesels here. Our diesel is TOO dirty for their engines. If you look at the European models they have 3 or 4 different engine choices where we have the one, the same one in you Passat.

The reason this is important is because different people want a different engine choice and trim line in their diesel. We just get the one from what I understand.

Other than that I love the clean diesel cars.

[Cos]

Originally posted by zipdoa




My Passat TDI did 60+ MPG = 3.9 l/100km

Diesel is also less expensive than petrol. You can also convert TDI's to run off veggie oil.

How would diesel motors NOT help? There's a reason why most of europe runs on it. There's also other options aside ridiculously large displacement trucks - not everyone needs to be king of the road.

Okay your passat did well. Codetraps diesel jetta was unimpressive on fuel for being a TDI. My lancer got 5.3L/100km on the highway. Not that bad for a gasser. Also diesel is not cheaper than gas. Diesel at Flying J was 107.9. Costco is selling regular for 106.9. Check calgarygasprices.com if you dont believe me.

I just wish you wouldnt tote it as a solution when it clearly isnt.



Also dont appreciate the shot. I didnt bring anything of yours into this and I never once mentioned that my truck was good on gas.

[broken_legs]

Originally posted by Cos


I just wish you wouldnt tote it as a solution when it clearly isnt.

There arent enough refineries to make the required diesel.

We'll burn up any potential energy savings by building new refineries and re-tooling old ones to only make diesel.

Did you have your TDI in 2008 when the refinery in Edmonton went down and they were rationing out diesel for a week in Calgary?

I was on the rig. I was STUCK at the rig, because I had no fuel to drive home. The rig could only run the boiler a few hours a day in -30, couldn't get fuel for shit for over a week.

To me that's scary and also is the reason why I bough a gun.

[Maxt]

Originally posted by Cos


My truck averages 15 - 20L / 100km depending on my driving. Buddies new Cummins diesel averages 20-22 L/100km.

How would diesel help?

Whats your buddy doing, commuting with a 40 foot 5th wheel attached? My newer cummins weighing in at 9400lbs is averaging 13l/100km highway 14 or so city in cold weather, gets better the warmer it gets.

[zipdoa]

Originally posted by Cos


Okay your passat did well. Codetraps diesel jetta was unimpressive on fuel for being a TDI. My lancer got 5.3L/100km on the highway. Not that bad for a gasser. Also diesel is not cheaper than gas. Diesel at Flying J was 107.9. Costco is selling regular for 106.9. Check calgarygasprices.com if you dont believe me.

I just wish you wouldnt tote it as a solution when it clearly isnt.



Also dont appreciate the shot. I didnt bring anything of yours into this and I never once mentioned that my truck was good on gas.

I apologize for hurting your feelings. I was referencing your friends Diesel truck, which was probably heavier and larger displacement than your F-150. If you compared apples to apples, two vehicles of the same weight and relatively same displacement will almost always provide superior efficiency in diesel format.

I don't understand how one can argue against a 1Z TDI. It's efficient, relialbe, durable and can be converted to run off veggie oil. Combine it with the B4 Passat Sedan/Wagon platform and you have a vehicle that is suitable for 90% of the North American population.

If the consumer demand for diesel increased, it would be inevitable that fuel providers would introduce clean diesel.

Here's a little wiki blurb for you:

"Diesel engines generally achieve greater fuel efficiency than petrol (gasoline) engines. Passenger car diesel engines have energy efficiency of up to 41% but more typically 30%, and petrol engines of up to 37.3%, but more typically 20%. That is one of the reasons why diesels have better fuel efficiency than equivalent petrol cars. A common margin is 25% more miles per gallon for an efficient turbodiesel. For example, the current model Skoda Octavia, using Volkswagen engines, has a combined European fuel efficiency of 41.3 mpg for the 105 bhp (78 kW) petrol engine and 52.3 mpg for the 105 bhp (78 kW) — and heavier — diesel engine. The higher compression ratio is helpful in raising the energy efficiency, but diesel fuel also contains approximately 10% more energy per unit volume than gasoline which contributes to the reduced fuel consumption for a given power output."

[benyl]

Originally posted by zipdoa

There's a reason why most of europe runs on it.

The reason why most of europe runs on it has to do with economics.

Diesel was and probably still is heavily subsidized for the trucking industry. People caught on that Diesel was cheaper to run due to the cost of the fuel and not necessarily due to the efficiency. There are plenty of small displacement petrol engines that match Diesels for efficiency. They just lack torque! haha.

[Cos]

Originally posted by Maxt

Whats your buddy doing, commuting with a 40 foot 5th wheel attached? My newer cummins weighing in at 9400lbs is averaging 13l/100km highway 14 or so city in cold weather, gets better the warmer it gets.

dunno. I was shocked too that was why I asked him how he was doing.

Coventry hills to downtown, same commute I do. It has been cold but he has had it since fall and his overall average is still just over 20. Maybe he has a much heavier foot than I do. Also I have 35's and he has the stock 32 or 33's.

Originally posted by zipdoa


I apologize for hurting your feelings. I was referencing your friends Diesel truck, which was probably heavier and larger displacement than your F-150. If you compared apples to apples, two vehicles of the same weight and relatively same displacement will almost always provide superior efficiency in diesel format.

Haha you didnt hurt my feelings but accepted. It seemed like you were saying that I drive a diesel, you drive a truck, your a douche, I win. Haha

To stick up for my friend who isnt even here. He has a 23,000 lb (I think) 5th wheel that he has to move from storage to his property twice a year so that is why he has one. He drives it everyday for some reason though.

Originally posted by zipdoa

I don't understand how one can argue against a 1Z TDI. It's efficient, relialbe, durable and can be converted to run off veggie oil. Combine it with the B4 Passat Sedan/Wagon platform and you have a vehicle that is suitable for 90% of the North American population.

If the consumer demand for diesel increased, it would be inevitable that fuel providers would introduce clean diesel.

I am not arguing against them, what I am doing is giving it credit where credit is due. I really really want toyota to come out with a Hilux in NA. Or even the promises from Ford/GM about a diesel in the 1/2 tons. For work I only need my truck for ground clearance and a bit of tools. If I wanted I could have gotten away with a 1/4 ton but I prefer my truck. So going to a 2500/3500 just for the diesel wasnt practical either.

I would get a diesel if I had the choice on my 1500.

I just feel that people assume that because it is diesel it is cheaper and better for the environment. From what I have seen between trucks and cars I just dont find it to be that much of an improvement. Now when talking about the torque output. There is a clear winner.

[corsvette]

According to the automotive rumor mill the 1/2 ton diesel program is on again and Dodge will likely be first to market. Hyundai also has diesels coming to our markets for cars and small suv's. Chevy is said to offer a diesel in the Cruze as well in the next year or two.

I love diesels, but i hope they don't cost thousands more than the gas engines. Anyone here know how much more the TDI costs in a VW over the standard gas engine?

[codetrap]

Originally posted by Cos


Okay your passat did well. Codetraps diesel jetta was unimpressive on fuel for being a TDI. My lancer got 5.3L/100km on the highway. Not that bad for a gasser. Also diesel is not cheaper than gas. Diesel at Flying J was 107.9. Costco is selling regular for 106.9. Check calgarygasprices.com if you dont believe me.

I just wish you wouldnt tote it as a solution when it clearly isnt.

Don't get me wrong, I loved our 2006 Jetta Wagon, but it wasn't the magical best of all worlds. The overall mileage in the time I owned it was 34.5MPG. (6.82L/100Km). That's over 117k The price of diesel was good for the first 4 months that I owned the car, then it got more expensive than regular fuel for quite some time. Lately it's been sitting within a cent of regular.

Combine the premium I paid for the diesel engine, the average high cost for fuel, and the definitely higher cost of maintenance, we never did break even on the overall cost of ownership vs buying a regular gasser. Had the Jetta over 5 years. I think the break even point would have been at around the 180K mark.

When we were shopping for our CUV, I couldn't justify a $4000 premium for a diesel engine. The economics just didn't make sense. It would have been 9 years at current prices till I actually started saving money over buying a gasser, not including maintenance costs. It's quite likely that with the maintenance, and the "blue" that I would have had to add, that I would never have been cheaper than buying my Outlander.

[msommers]

Originally posted by corsvette
I love diesels, but i hope they don't cost thousands more than the gas engines. Anyone here know how much more the TDI costs in a VW over the standard gas engine?

Doing a compare on the VW website, it's about $2500 on the same comfortline trim Golfs. Less than I expected actually.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by msommers


Doing a compare on the VW website, it's about $2500 on the same comfortline trim Golfs. Less than I expected actually.

Difference in Price between Gas & TDI
Golf Wagon Comfortline $2800
Jetta Comforline $2100
Jetta Highline $2675
Toureg Comfortline $4750
Toureg Highline $5455
Toureg Execline $4950


L/100 KM
Gas Golf 9.9 / (6.2) Cost/100Km @ 1.07/L = $6.63
Dies Golf 6.7 / (4.6) Cost/100Km @ 1.06L = $4.88

If I have my math right, that means over 100km you save $1.75 (on pure highway). Savings per km is $0.0175. round up to $0.02 if you drive better than EPA. So, to make up that $2800 difference in price you have to drive a mimimum of ($2800/0.02=) 140,000km. That's where you break even for just buying the diesel engine.

Now, figure in the higher maintenance costs. Oils changes if done by yourself are a minimum of $80 for the oil and filters. That 505.1 Oil isn't cheap. Plus you have the major service like the timing belt that's $1300, and all the other services that are on average about usually about 1.5 times the cost, and it just isn't economical anymore.

"But it's not about the economics isn't it. It's about sending a message." - The Hybrid Owner's Mantra