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So Xtrema what are you doing to stay current and not get automated?



As much as I love hands on stuff, I don't see it existing in 10 years. And it won't be our choice. It will be due to Cloud Infrastructure disrupting the industry enough that the traditional supplier will go under and force everyone to move to the cloud.

But for myself, I may want to take it easy in project management. Pay sucks and jobs are few in down time like this, but I probably would welcome a bit of slowing down after 20+ years of non stop working the tech. I'm also done with tech and I see next 5 years will accelerate much faster and even harder to catch than the last 10 years.

Like Revelation say, IT will not 100% go away. But I see most infrastructure will as work process changes and the old guards (Hardware providers, Microsoft Windows) are slowly being phased out.

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Cant say the same for US gov.

https://www.fedramp.gov
https://aws.amazon.com/govcloud-us/

Being one of the very few vendors with FedRAMP has turned out to be a massive advantage for us. All I'm saying is, be ready for it. Don't get into it when cloud guys are a dime a dozen.

AWS just fired up their Canadian data center 4 months ago, so I expect government agencies to start putting together the framework soon. That was the biggest barrier for Canadian financial companies and government agencies to move to the cloud as data HAS to stay in Canada under Canadian privacy regulations. Prior to that we had to run a legacy Canadian data center to satisfy such customers.



Yup. Unless under some special circumstances, cloud is the future. Azure already got TO and Montreal datacenters and AWS is in Montreal. They will be start to attract customers with concerns with Canadian laws.

And if they ever got reason for Western DC, you can also kiss the latency argument goodbye as well.

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I agree for the most part with the things previously mentioned in this thread. Things are certainly shifting (aren't they always), although I don't think full automation or the widespread deaths of IT careers are in the immediate future. Just as virtualization became prevalent, so will cloud infrastructures although for the time being there are still plenty of companies with internal servers and on-premise exchange and so forth. IT has many branches and I think its important to be well versed in as many of them as you can and some have heavy expertise in a few. Think of it as diversifying your skills portfolio. If you can adapt with the times you will be just fine.

For myself - I'm mostly a senior infrastructure type guy. Lately I've decided to beef up my security skills and go the CISSP route. With the heavy increase in cyber attacks and ransomware etc. I think this would be a great addition to my career path and keep as many doors and options open for future opportunities.

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What would be some of the best areas of IT to get into now? Is there any fairly short courses that could get a job? Looking for a course or something I can do in the evening now that I'll have a bit more time.

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Security.

I'm a infrastructure architect in the financial services industry, there are a few regulation hurdles to get past before sector wide adoption in moving to the public cloud.

Sure, while Azure/AWS are great, they cater to specific business sectors over others. It will be some time before infrastructure jobs are a thing of the past. However, something to remember. Cloud providers only guarantee security on the first 4 layers, anything else is the customer's responsibility. Understanding new technologies regarding securing the cloud is the next trend in IT.

I honestly can't see private cloud moving completely public within the next two hardware lifecycles.

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Security.



This. Hardware is disposable now. Windows servers are becoming disposable VMs spun up and down by script. Companies are moving to cloud everything. I wouldn't bother training for hardware or to specialize in OS stuff anymore (you still need the knowledge, but a MCSE alone doesn't keep the lights on anymore). Security is a good industry, but to be a good security guy, be good at other things first. Learn Windows Server, VMs, Powershell, AD, maybe some Linux and Python if you're ambitious, the usual stuff, put in your time as a sysadmin or something, get that solid hands on experience, then go get a CISSP and specialize in security.

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I'm a infrastructure architect in the financial services industry, there are a few regulation hurdles to get past before sector wide adoption in moving to the public cloud.



I'm an Infosec analyst working for a financial institution right now. At least one FI is moving to 'cloud everything' while successfully passing regulatory hurdles, thanks in part to yours truly. It's difficult but possible. I'm old school and like my infrastructure to be metal things in my office that I can put my hands on, but I've been dragged kicking and screaming in to the cloud era as you just can't argue with the cost savings, scalability, reliability, etc.

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I honestly can't see private cloud moving completely public within the next two hardware lifecycles.



After all, we still have AIX/HP UX deployments out there. I don't see private cloud going away but expect local hosting to slowly go extinct like AIX/HP UX.

I agree that Security is a good field to get into. But I think audit/compliance/advisory would be the easier to deal with than doing active defense.

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Security is definitely the best path at the moment, however it might not be the best quick path to a job. There are no quick courses to an IT security job. You need a strong foundation in networking and several other areas before even being considered for a security job. Just something to consider

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Security and network integration is extremely detail oriented. I wouldn't recommend getting into it unless you have good attention to detail.

Also, I dont think its something one could do a as a 9-5 "job" - it has to be a passion.

Just my experience only ....

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What would be some of the best areas of IT to get into now? Is there any fairly short courses that could get a job? Looking for a course or something I can do in the evening now that I'll have a bit more time.



Look at becoming a SAN specialist.

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Why a SAN specialist? Vendors work with you on your requirements.

Once a SAN is in place the API hooks to your virtualization stack take care of management.

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Look at becoming a SAN specialist.


Originally posted by SmAcKpOo
Why a SAN specialist? Vendors work with you on your requirements.

Once a SAN is in place the API hooks to your virtualization stack take care of management.


That and the storage market has been in decline over the last 5 years, and getting steeper.

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Look at becoming a SAN specialist.



I hope you mean SANS (Sysadmin, Audit, Network Security).

Not SAN (Storage Area Network).

Storage field is narrowing quickly as many vendors are not providing storage for the big 3 public cloud providers and smaller business are moving to the cloud and remove the need of many storage products.

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No, I meant Storage Area Networks - was told a few years back (like 3 maybe) from a guy who ended up specializing in it, that it was a growing field. I know very little about it myself.
Just passing on knowledge.

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No, I meant Storage Area Networks - was told a few years back (like 3 maybe) from a guy who ended up specializing in it, that it was a growing field. I know very little about it myself.
Just passing on knowledge.


Enterprise Storage peaked out around 5 years ago. It's been in decline ever since. Virtualization slowed growth about 10 years ago, and cloud started hitting it hard 5 years ago. It's getting worse now because bandwidth is dirt cheap, and cloud storage (especially cold storage like AWS Glacier) is ridiculously cheap.

When it costs $4/month to store a TB of data, nobody wants to run their own storage anymore.

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Yea I gather the idea was to specialize in a data centre role somehow, with the massive growth of cloud storage. I know he worked for Shaw in that capacity.

Nothing to do with local businesses storing their own data onsite.

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No, I meant Storage Area Networks - was told a few years back (like 3 maybe) from a guy who ended up specializing in it, that it was a growing field. I know very little about it myself.
Just passing on knowledge.



If you specialize in a particular tech, you basically backing a horse along with market shares that it comes with. Netapp just laid off a bunch of their people. HP, most tech jobs are now in India. I don't know what Dell did with EMC but I would assume it's the same.

Storage admin is now all about managing and protecting data workload then deal with hardcore tech, vendors will take care of that. Pick your network, pick you storage vendor, tie it to your hypervisors and watch and manage the workload.

And if you don't want any storage admins wasting your $, you can always bet on VBlock, Flexpod, or upcoming Azure Stack which are vertically integrate compute/storage units. So storage admins, just like server admins will be a profession that peaked a few year ago as well.

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Yea I gather the idea was to specialize in a data centre role somehow, with the massive growth of cloud storage. I know he worked for Shaw in that capacity.

Nothing to do with local businesses storing their own data onsite.



Shaw is a Netapp customer I believe. Their VOD does have some special performance metric that cloud storage is tough to match.

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Cool, thanks for the info.

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For those that are interested in AWS, they're here next week for a free 1 day program. Registration here:

https://pages.awscloud.com/2017_Calgary_roadshow.html

For those that want to sharpen their IT skills and look into AWS cloud, the essentials track is a great way to see what the fuss is about, and learn some basic concepts before signing up and playing around. For existing IT decision makers that are looking to move into AWS, the business track of the program is for you.

I'll be there, jumping between sessions. Always something new to learn at these things. There's a 1 hour lunch break, and I'd be happy to show off what we've done for Beyond under AWS. Unfortunately, I can't show off any of our even cooler Replicon stuff, but for starters, our Beyond in AWS is still pretty cool, especially our VB4 stuff.

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