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    Default Police take aim at drug-impaired drivers - Controversial law

    Wednesday » November 12 » 2008

    Police take aim at drug-impaired drivers
    Controversial law allows officers to demand new tests

    Valerie Berenyi
    Calgary Herald


    Wednesday, November 12, 2008


    Drivers high on drugs may no longer be able to avoid detection at checkstops now that some Calgary police officers are accredited as drug-recognition experts with the authority to demand blood, urine or saliva samples.

    Specially trained RCMP and city police are on the lookout for drivers using "any drug that impairs their ability to operate a motor vehicle," said RCMP spokesman Sgt. Patrick Webb.

    Impairment by illegal drugs such as marijuana, cocaine or ecstasy is commonly watched for by police, said Webb, but they're also looking for any drug, including prescription drugs, that impairs the ability to drive.

    "I think we have to get away from the mindset that impaired driving is just people involving alcohol," said John Dooks, president of the Calgary Police Association.

    The new enforcement powers are part of a controversial Canadian law that came into effect July 2. Although drug-impaired driving has been illegal since 1925, the new law gives police the authority to demand a suspect take roadside physical co-ordination tests such as walking and turning or standing on one leg -- something they could previously obtain only voluntarily.

    If a suspected drug-impaired driver fails the physical tests, a breath test will be conducted to rule out alcohol impairment before the suspect is sent to a police detachment. There, 11 further tests will be done by a drug-recognition expert who must first identify the type of drugs involved before requesting blood, urine or saliva samples.

    "If the test comes back (from the laboratory) and there is no drug in the system, the person will not be charged with impaired driving," said Webb.

    However, if the bodily fluids test confirms the officer's conclusion about the type of drugs involved, a drug-impaired charge will result.

    Those who refuse to comply with testing can be subject to a minimum $1,000 fine, the same as the penalty for refusing a breath test.

    Critics say there is not yet enough research to equate drug levels in the body with impairment.

    "The biggest problem is how much the police will be able to prove (impairment)," said Stephen Jenuth, president of the Alberta Civil Liberties Association.

    "I don't think there's anything that shows a drug at a certain level results in impairment."

    Jenuth also sees problems with the testing of bodily fluids because it can detect drug use from days or weeks earlier.

    "Someone may have had some painkillers five days ago and still have some residue in their system and that may turn up," he said. "I'm not sure that is something they can be convicted of."

    The same holds true for drugs and alcohol, said Webb. If someone drinks heavily and is given a breathalyzer two days later, he or she will still have a detectable level of alcohol, but it won't be enough for an impaired charge.

    He said there will need to be impairment levels established for each type of drug, be it marijuana or cocaine.

    "It will ultimately have to be determined how much of each of those causes impairment. I don't believe there is yet a level established for all of those. The courts will need to look at all of that."

    Calgary's new drug-recognition experts are trained under the Drug Evaluation and Classification Program, founded in Los Angeles in the 1970s. It was introduced to British Columbia in 1995 and is now a national program being offered to police officers across Canada through the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police.

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    they have way too much free time

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    there will need to be impairment levels established?
    Who gets to do the testing?
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    this is so dumb to have put into effect so soon, the drug test can read back a month...so how can then pick that you was high on this day? if you took it to court im sure you could find a way out of it.. but its a bull shit thing till they can figar out levels and whatnot...till then its


    but good thing is i dont have to worrie..i dont do drugs hehe

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    Enforcement rules aside, I think the objective is to deter people from doing it. Without impaired driving legislation, how many people would do it without a second thought. Same basic principle here; think about it before you do it as there are consequences.

    Of course it will be challenged, obviously people will still do it, but I'm sure many will have second thoughts.

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    That's just insane.

    I have a Trypanophobia (fear of needles)... when I get my blood taken I'm pretty much close to passing out. It's brutal. If they take my blood on the road, I wouldn't be able to drive home afterwards. Wonder how that's gonna work.
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    Originally posted by rage2

    I have a Trypanophobia (fear of needles)... when I get my blood taken I'm pretty much close to passing out.
    Just make sure you're high when they're taking your blood next time, it'll make your phobia go away, oh wait.

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    slippery slope.

    It's one thing to test of illegal substance, that's black and white.

    Everybody is on a type of drug or another, impairment from them varies from individuals.

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    First they should try and get some of the drunk drivers, they don't seem to be very good at that as I see people drunk off their asses every day weaving between lanes ect.

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    haha if they wanted me to give them a piss sample i would accidentaly miss the cup and piss all over the floor... then say i was nervous...hehe...

    and like mark4091 said they should try a bit harder to get the drunks first...they have a hard time doing that so why add insult in injury when they cant do one job full then dont add another...

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    Originally posted by Xtrema
    slippery slope.

    It's one thing to test of illegal substance, that's black and white.

    Everybody is on a type of drug or another, impairment from them varies from individuals.
    slippery slope? The slope is already 10 miles back with the sign saying "1984". We've now officially on the Road to Hell and are passing by a sign that reads "Gattaca"

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    Like any law, cops can abuse it. But in most cases, I dont see a cop wanting to waste his night going back to the copshop and sitting around and pushing paper waiting for these tests to be processed. I see this as a tool a cop has for when he comes across a stoner who cant keep his eyes open and needs to be taken off the road.

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    Originally posted by rage2
    I have a Trypanophobia (fear of needles)... when I get my blood taken I'm pretty much close to passing out. It's brutal.
    My wife has that condition too. It's pretty serious.

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    Question:
    Originally posted by rage2
    If they take my blood on the road, I wouldn't be able to drive home afterwards. Wonder how that's gonna work.
    Answer:
    If a suspected drug-impaired driver fails the physical tests, a breath test will be conducted to rule out alcohol impairment before the suspect is sent to a police detachment. There, 11 further tests will be done by a drug-recognition expert who must first identify the type of drugs involved before requesting blood, urine or saliva samples.
    Come on rage ... you're getting lazy. Read the whole thing next time..

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    Impairment levels will eventually be set by legislation or precedent.

    Being out here in BC, and seeing exactly how my roommate likes to drive when high, I think it's a great idea. It's only a matter of time before she hits somebody.
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    We have the right not to incriminate ourselves with speech, but somehow we are expected to incriminate ourselves with our body samples. The state does not own my body, I would never voluntarily give them a sample, they have to threaten violence against me to get what they want.

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by mx73someday
    We have the right not to incriminate ourselves with speech, but somehow we are expected to incriminate ourselves with our body samples. The state does not own my body, I would never voluntarily give them a sample, they have to threaten violence against me to get what they want. [/QUOTE

    Good luck with that!!

    Try telling a cop asking for your piss to fuck off! See how far you get

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    They were talking about this on the radio monday night. A guy called in to X929 and explained that in Buffalo (where he was from) the cops could take a swab and dab it under your chin, and from that, they can tell if your high. Apparently you get "chin-sweat" when you smoke reefer

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    Originally posted by Doozer
    Come on rage ... you're getting lazy. Read the whole thing next time..
    My bad. So they drive me to get a blood sample, that still poses to be a problem for me... I get pretty much fucked up for several hours.

    Originally posted by teknical
    They were talking about this on the radio monday night. A guy called in to X929 and explained that in Buffalo (where he was from) the cops could take a swab and dab it under your chin, and from that, they can tell if your high. Apparently you get "chin-sweat" when you smoke reefer
    That I have no problems with. Pissing in a cup? No probs. Poking me with a needle? That I have a problem with. A little TOO intrusive.
    Originally posted by SEANBANERJEE
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    How about this novel concept: "Don't drive high"

    Seems simple to me. If you're worried that you'll have to get a needle or pee in a cup, don't give the officer a reason to suspect you're high
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    Originally posted by ZenOps
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