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    Default AB Carbon Tax - not if but when.

    The wording isn't "should we bring in a carbon tax?"
    It's "How do we bring in a carbon tax?"

    Yes, I know AB already has some sort of carbon tax but this sounds something like the BC carbon tax.

    What's your thoughts?

    Alberta's NDP government took a first step toward a new climate change strategy Friday, but made it clear that new emissions targets and the policies to implement them will have to wait until the end of a consultation process.

    Environment Minister Shannon Phillips has appointed a five-member panel that will spend the next few weeks gathering information and seeking public input as the province moves toward a "made in Alberta" climate change plan.

    "It is my goal to have a new proposal prepared in advance of the United Nations Conference of the Parties in Paris this December," Phillips said. "To get this right, we need to hear from Albertans."

    Phillips said previous Alberta governments have set greenhouse gas targets but pursued virtually no new policies to help meet them. Asked repeatedly when her government will set its own targets, Phillips said hard numbers will have to wait until the panel delivers its report, expected by the end of October or in early November.

    "I expect that the panel will have a tremendous amount to say on the topic of targets, and they will be offering us their best advice and options on how to move forward on that," she said.

    Public consultation

    Over the next several weeks, Albertans will be invited to go online or attend public sessions to share their ideas to address climate change.

    The panel, chaired by Andrew Leach, academic director of energy programs at the University of Alberta school of business, will hold one-day public sessions in Edmonton and Calgary this September.

    The report compiled by the panel will try to answer four key questions, Phillips said.
    -How to put a price on carbon.
    -How to transition to more a sustainable electricity system.
    -How to grow the renewable energy sector.
    -How to increase energy efficiency across the province.

    The panel plans to gather input from industry, municipalities, academics, First Nations and M¨¦tis communities. The panel's advice will help the government set "credible and realistic targets" for reducing emissions, Phillips said.

    "Climate change is one of the most pressing issues facing our province and our world. Albertans must do their part to address climate change," she said. "We intend to take real action, but we will not do so until we have the right, evidence-based framework for doing so."

    The other four panel members are:
    -Gord Lambert, president and chief collaboration officer of GRL Collaboration for Sustainability, formerly with Suncor Energy.
    -Linda Coady, chief sustainability officer for Enbridge Inc.
    -Stephanie Cairns, principal of Wrangellia Consulting, and a Pembina Institute board member.
    -Angela Adams, director of education with Unifor, and a trustee with the Fort McMurray Public School District.

    The timeline is tight, but Leach said the panel members have been working on climate change issues for decades.

    Phillips said much work has already been done on these issues across the continent and around the world.

    "We have many examples of how to do things, and perhaps also how not to do things," she said.

    Coady was asked whether she thinks the energy industry will be portrayed as the villain in the climate-change story.

    "I hope industry isn't painted as the bad guy," she said. "Because industry is going to be integral to the solution here. And I think most people who work in the Alberta energy sector realize that, and are going to be pleased to have an opportunity to be engaged in this process."

    Mixed reaction

    The province's announcement met with a mixed reaction from environmental groups and industry members.

    The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP), the group that represents Canada's oil and gas industry, released a statement late Friday afternoon pledging its co-operation with the plan.

    That group proposed three key themes it would like the panel to consider, including having industries work more collaboratively across the province and at the national level. The group said its main priority is investing in and developing new technologies that increase efficiency.

    "Technology is critical to getting Alberta's oil and natural gas out of the ground responsibly in a lower-carbon future," wrote the group's president and chief executive officer Tim McMillan in the press release.

    Others believe the government's plan does not go far enough.

    Mike Hudema, the climate and energy campaigner with Greenpeace, said he was alarmed that the process didn't begin with specific emission reduction targets in line with international guidelines.

    "A better approach would have been to have the science dictate the target and then for the consultations to be about what is the roadmap to reach that target," Hudema said.

    "We really feel that target should be set by science, not politics."
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    It's just a scam as far as I'm concerned.
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    Originally posted by Sugarphreak
    Carbon taxes


    Dumbest approach to reducing emissions ever
    Yep.

    Saw this coming.

    A tax on people that will do NOTHING to reduce emissions.

    ...except pocket the coffers.

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    I wonder how many people are kicking themselves for voting NDP now

    yaaay, let's tax ourselves to death while the biggest contributors like China sit there and laugh at us.
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    Originally posted by M.alex

    yaaay, let's tax ourselves to death while the biggest contributors like China sit there and laugh at us.
    The "do gooders" don't even know what China is.

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    Originally posted by Seth1968


    Yep.

    Saw this coming.

    A tax on people that will do NOTHING to reduce emissions.

    ...except pocket the coffers.
    So exactly like speeding tickets, lol.

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    Lol, tax that hits low and middle income earners. Way to be for the people NDP.

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    They can't balance the budget, that's why.

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    Originally posted by Xtrema
    They can't balance the budget, that's why.
    That is why they asked for public input too!
    Raise taxes/min wage immideatley, school funding boost, get rid of the proposed health levy. All of those before creating a budget. Budget should have been completed first to see the implications and what money they have to move around.

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    Originally posted by schocker

    That is why they asked for public input too!
    Raise taxes/min wage immideatley, school funding boost, get rid of the proposed health levy. All of those before creating a budget. Budget should have been completed first to see the implications and what money they have to move around.
    But they can't do the budget until after the federal election since they realize that it would hurt NDP support.
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    Handicapping an already struggling industry making it less competitive with producers in other countries, while offering next to zero improvement in the issue the tax is intend to address. Brilliant!
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    You can take the online survey here. There is some.... interesting questions.

    http://alberta.ca/climate-leadership.cfm
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    I'll give it a year...

    PST.

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    I've said all along that we should have a small PST...the problem being it's political suicide. It's the only tax that actually affects everyone the exact same. 2% of discretionary spending (assuming the same exemption for food, etc)...OOOOOO
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    Originally posted by Go4Long
    I've said all along that we should have a small PST...the problem being it's political suicide. It's the only tax that actually affects everyone the exact same. 2% of discretionary spending (assuming the same exemption for food, etc)...OOOOOO
    Exemptions cost more money than it's worth. Just look at the GST, they say 3 out of the 5% is used just to manage the GST.

    If they were smart, the NDP would bring a PST really soon. They would have 4 years to beg forgiveness, and prove their worth. I would prefer to see that, then see businesses moving out of province, and be nickel and dimed to death with other shit.

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    Originally posted by 16hypen3sp
    You can take the online survey here. There is some.... interesting questions.

    http://alberta.ca/climate-leadership.cfm
    LOL at last question - do you mind if we rape you in order to make this work.
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    Originally posted by M.alex


    LOL at last question - do you mind if we rape you in order to make this work.
    The best question was asking you to prioritize statements. The statements were all setups, no matter how you prioritized them you were forced to pick a statement that endorsed their plan

    You just know that particular part of the questionnaire will be used when this public consultation is complete. "80% of respondents said............was a priority". Failing to mention the bias choices you had to prioritize.

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    Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


    The best question was asking you to prioritize statements. The statements were all setups, no matter how you prioritized them you were forced to pick a statement that endorsed their plan

    You just know that particular part of the questionnaire will be used when this public consultation is complete. "80% of respondents said............was a priority". Failing to mention the bias choices you had to prioritize.

    Transparency though
    I was thinking the same thing when I came to that question.
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    Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


    The best question was asking you to prioritize statements. The statements were all setups, no matter how you prioritized them you were forced to pick a statement that endorsed their plan

    You just know that particular part of the questionnaire will be used when this public consultation is complete. "80% of respondents said............was a priority". Failing to mention the bias choices you had to prioritize.

    Transparency though

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