Official List: 2005 Top 10 Import / SCC Cars

[Z_Fan]

2003's Official List (http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22821)
2004's Official List (http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49861)

*NOTICE: The list has become official as of January 1st, 2006.

2005 TOP 10 FASTEST IMPORTS / SPORT COMPACTS of ALBERTA

1. Z_Fan, 1995 Nissan 300zx Twin Turbo, 11.253 @ 129.12 (http://www.turbocharge.ca/AB05Top10SCC/01_ZFanZ_11p253at129mph72dpi.jpg)
2. Sleeper, 1992 Honda Civic Si, 11.865 @ 123.96 [Race City] (http://www.turbocharge.ca/AB05Top10SCC/02_sleeper_2005edited.jpg)
3. Rob Kingsley, 1989 Shelby Daytona, 11.932 @ 118.37 [Bud Park] (http://www.turbocharge.ca/AB05Top10SCC/03_RobK11932slip.jpg)
4. Darryl B/Subracing, 1991 EagleTalon TSi, 12.047 @ 113.93 [Bud Park] (http://www.turbocharge.ca/AB05Top10SCC/[email protected])
5. Icydude, 1990 Nissan Skyline GTR, 12.124 @ 110.33 [Bud Park] (http://www.turbocharge.ca/AB05Top10SCC/05_icey12p128at110p33jpg.jpg)
6. Legendboy, 1994 Acura Integra RS, 12.321 @ 118.40 [Race City] (http://www.turbocharge.ca/AB05Top10SCC/06_legboy12p321at118p40.jpg)
7. Jeff D/Subracing, 1989 Skyline GT-R, 12.385 @ 115.04 [Bud Park] (http://www.turbocharge.ca/AB05Top10SCC/07_jeffbskyline12p385at115p04.jpg)
8. Nguyen, 1995 Nissan 240sx, 12.593 @ 114.93 (Bud Park)
9. Z_Fan, 2004 Dodge SRT-4 S3R, 12.657 @ 109.51 mph [Race City] (http://www.turbocharge.ca/AB05Top10SCC/09_ZFanSRT4_12p657at109mph72dpi.jpg)
10. Midtown Import, 1990 Honda Civic, 12.659 @ 113.79 mph [Bud Park] (http://www.turbocharge.ca/AB05Top10SCC/10_BlueCivic12p657at113p57.jpg)

Honorable Mention for 2005:

1. Midtown Import, 1990 Honda CRX, 12.687 @ 117.23 mph (Bud Park)
2. Adam Mac Neil, 1998 Dodge Neon 2.4L Turbo, 12.718 @ 108.65 (Bud Park)
3. John P, 2004 Nissan 350z, 12.786 @ 110.92 (Bud Park)
4. Cody D, 1993 Eagle Talon TSI AWD, 12.787 @ 109.90 (Bud Park)
5. Forcefed, 199x S14 RB20, 12.815 @ 105.17 (Bud Park)

This list will be maintained in threads (hopefully stickied ones!) at www.beyond.ca and www.780tuners.com.


[B]RULES FOR CURRENT YEAR (2006 LIST) FOLLOW:

Alberta’s Fastest Sport Compacts / Imports of 2006

General Eligibility Requirements:

1. Vehicle must be owned by an Alberta resident or business. Vehicle must be registered and insured in the province of Alberta.
2. Quarter mile pass must be completed on an Alberta quarter mile track. [Edmonton: Bud Park, Calgary: Race City]
3. A digital photo or scan of your timeslip [JPG format], which clearly indicates the Track, Date and your cars time must be submitted.
4. Video may also be used to submit your time IF a timeslip is not available. [WMV format] Your video must clearly show the entire pass from start to finish and MUST clearly show the tower displaying both the MPH and the ET.
5. When you submit your time, please include your Car Make/Model/Year and the name/screen name you wish to have displayed in the list.

Additional Information:

1. Eligible cars must be streetable with the exception of tires and/or fuel. Use of Race Gasoline, Nitrous Oxide, or Water Injection (or others) as fuel related power adders are permitted.
2. All variations of tire construction are permitted. Bias ply Slicks, Drag Radials or Street Radials.
3. Eligible engines must be of an overhead cam (OHC) configuration [exception: RX-7/8 Etc. Rotary] originating from a vehicle that is a Sport Compact / Import and residing in a vehicle that is a Sport Compact / Import.
4. All formats of drive, be it RWD, FWD or AWD are eligible for the list.

11.99 or quicker Pass Requirements:

1. A back-up pass is required for passes quicker than 11.99 seconds. Your fastest pass needs to be backed up by a secondary pass that is within 0.25 seconds of the fast pass ET. Example, a pass of 11.13 must be backed up with a second pass that is 11.38 or quicker.

10.99 or quicker Pass Requirements [inclusive of above]:

1. 10.99 second or faster times must include BOTH a timeslip and a video.

[gpomp]

bleh, low boost run only
http://www.pomped.ca/photos/slips/IMG_1449.jpg

1995 Honda Civic DX

[Z_Fan]

Please note: The list in the initial post shows some cars which I know for fact have run faster. However, the numbers posted are from slips which I can verify personally. (Sleeper and Dconz)

Now I know you've both gone faster, 11's and 12's respectively - so please post or e-mail those slips so we can get your top times on the list. So don't get too excited about the times, I am merely holding spaces for you on the list.

I also know Duncan and LegendBoy (not on the list) have extremely fast times which if submitted would put them near the top of the list. So guys, if you want on the list, please submit.

Lastly, I know that a particular Silver 350z ran 12.7x at Bud Park. That would make a very nice addition to the list.

Aleks, can you post/e-mail your slip?

Can't_Stop_Spin can you post/e-mail your slip?

[Adam 2.4]

Adam Mac Neil -- 98 dodge Neon
2.4 swapped turbo.
[email protected]
Run done at Bud

Slip can be seen at:

http://forums.780tuners.com/showthr...mp;pagenumber=1

about half way down the page

[Aleks]

I will go home and take a quick pick of my slip. I don't think it will matter tho since I won't be in the top 10 anyways. I think you should split it up between EDM and Calgary ;) jk
why didn't i go run in edm this summer :banghead:

[googe]

i motion the timeslip rule be waived if enough people can vouch for the run :)

[Z_Fan]

Timeslip or video is good enough IMO.

Aleks - I guess you will fall off the list soon enough. So it's up to you if you want to submit your slip for the time being...

[statick]

wheres legendboy?

[Z_Fan]

^ Awaiting his timeslip. Hopefully he'll submit it soon. He will be near the top o' the list.

Also awaiting Ron K's timeslips from Edmonton or Calgary. Those should be at the top of the list. :poosie:

Also awaiting Nguyen at Auto Dream cuz that car is F-A-S-T too.

[Aleks]

Thats it Im going to Race city again this friday to try and beat 13.291 :poosie:

[Z_Fan]

Originally posted by Aleks
Thats it Im going to Race city again this friday to try and beat 13.291 :poosie:

I have some bad news for you.

Dconz has actually run in the twelves at the Edmonton SCC. So once he gets me that timeslip, he'll move up the list further.

Sorry. :dunno:

[Aleks]

Boooournnns. Oh well there's always next year :)

[Boosted_TL]

Hmm, I guess I will post up mine.....Its a 13.224 @ 103MPH( sorry Aleks ) but will change this Friday courtesy of 3 more psi and WAY better air than in August.

I will update on Friday night.....lol

[Z_Fan]

^^ I need your timeslip ^^

[Boosted_TL]

I will send one to your email a bit later.

Thanks

[Inzane]

Originally posted by Z_Fan
Also awaiting Nguyen at Auto Dream cuz that car is F-A-S-T too.

Which car? Is this the orange Z32 that's under the knife, or a different car?

[Inzane]

Originally posted by Z_Fan

3. Sleeper, 1992 Honda Civic Si, 12.257 @ 124.27 (Race City)
4. Adam Mac Neil, 1998 Dodge Neon 2.4L Turbo, 12.718 @ 108.65 (Bud Park)
5. Cody D, 1993 Eagle Talon TSI AWD, 12.787 @ 109.90 (Bud Park)
6. Can't_Stop_Spin, 2004 Dodge SRT-4, 13.035 @ 107.14 (Bud Park)
7. gpomp, 1995 Honda Civic DX Coupe, 13.091 @ 110.01 (Race City)
8. Dconz, 1990 Nissan 300zx Twin Turbo, 13.291 @ 107.74 (Race City)

Damn I wish there was still enough time to get out to the strip this season. I'm sure I could pull off a 12.7x or better on a good day. All I need is the run (and slip) to prove it though. LOL ;) I'd be nice to squeak into 4th or 5th place at the 11th hour. D'oh!

At the very least I should be able to match my last year's PB (12.9 followed by repeatable 13.0's) and bottoms-feed the top 10 list as its starting to shape out. :D

[voodoo]

yo Z.....


can your car really be classified as a sport compact car?

[Adam 2.4]

Originally posted by voodoo
yo Z.....


can your car really be classified as a sport compact car?

Oh oh....here it comes!!

[Boosted_TL]

Originally posted by Inzane


Which car? Is this the orange Z32 that's under the knife, or a different car?


Nope, its a white 95ish 240sx with an RB26 Swap

[Z_Fan]

Originally posted by voodoo
yo Z.....


can your car really be classified as a sport compact car?

It is a sport compact car. :rolleyes:

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Adam 2.4


Oh oh....here it comes!!

STFU it was only a question

[Z_Fan]

Originally posted by Inzane
Damn I wish there was still enough time to get out to the strip this season. I'm sure I could pull off a 12.7x or better on a good day. All I need is the run (and slip) to prove it though.

If I get the timeslips from runs which I know have already happened, then I think you will NEED to run about 12.7 in order to just get on the list. Maybe it'll be 12.9 but it's going to be twelves I suspect...

Unfortunately we have a late start on the list. But it's OK, we've got a few nights [hopefully] left for those trying to run quick and get a slip for the quick 10. And I'm sure lots of people already have slips and once they catch wind of the list, they'll submit them and claim their positions. I can think of four cars off the top of my head that have 11's or faster and just need to submit their slips. One of which I expect tomorrow...

Legendboy should submit his slip and use it as a selling feature! I mean, being able to say your car is amongst the quickest compacts in the province...well...that should help sell it I'd think.


Originally posted by voodoo
STFU it was only a question

:drama:

300zx TT, Supra TT, RX-7 TT all are Sport Compact cars perfectly valid to get onto the list. Obviously there are going to be some quick cars out there if they actually run and get a slip.

Essentially anything powered by 6 cylinders or less is going to be able to get onto the list if it has a timeslip [or video] to validate the numbers.

I would hope that some of the cars I know have run 12's and quicker will get their slips organized and submitted within a week or so. I'm confident the list will shape up to be comprised of some seriously quick machines in short order.

[googe]

Originally posted by Z_Fan

300zx TT, Supra TT, RX-7 TT all are Sport Compact cars perfectly valid to get onto the list. Obviously there are going to be some quick cars out there if they actually run and get a slip.

Essentially anything powered by 6 cylinders or less is going to be able to get onto the list if it has a timeslip [or video] to validate the numbers.

so, mustangs and camaros are sport compacts too then? :D

[Z_Fan]

The cars I listed are imports and have traditionally been allowed to compete in compact challenges and are considered sport compacts.

Mustangs and Cameros are NOT compact cars and are not imports. Traditionally they have been excluded from the list. Also, they are 8 cylinder cars. [duly noted they are not all 8's]

We're making a list that essentially follows identical rules to the lists compiled in the past. Simple as that. I'm not opposed to allowing ANYTHING with 6 cylinders or less to compete for spots on the list...however, the nature of the import/scc list DOES exclude some 6 cylinder domestics...

[sleeper]

time slip [email protected]

[Z_Fan]

time slip 11.487 @ 126.20

http://www.turbocharge.ca/ZFan_shizit/ZFan11p487at126mph72dpi.jpg

[Aleks]

I guess I'll throw mine up even tho it wont stick...

http://www.dc5ab.com/forums/uploads/post-34-1127947946.jpg

[Z_Fan]

If people don't submit - you'll stay on the list.

But if you get to the bump position, I'll throw up the slip for the SRT-4 and bump you off. :poosie:

j/k :rolleyes:

[dconz]

WooHoo I am on a list and the word SHIT doesn't appear anywhere on it!!

[email protected] Bud Park SCC
http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/2918/timeslip5nw.th.jpg (http://img324.imageshack.us/my.php?image=timeslip5nw.jpg)

[Z_Fan]

Yup, that's good news and a nice 12 second slip you got there. I saw the run in Edmonton so I knew you had it...I was just waiting for it! Good job.

Still need the slip from the Silverstone 350z. That is a 12.7x slip for that supercharged Z. It would make a nice addition to the list.

[Inzane]

Originally posted by dconz
WooHoo I am on a list

[email protected] Bud Park SCC

Damn Dan, that's a nice run, and especially given the 60ft. :thumbsup:

And nice trapspeed too!

BTW is that your best ET so far? I thought Shawn or someone said you had a 12.7x?

[Z_Fan]

^ Nah, Dan had a 12.9 - it is John who ran the 12.7 ...

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by Z_Fan

Essentially anything powered by 6 cylinders or less is going to be able to get onto the list if it has a timeslip [or video] to validate the numbers.


Is that really the definition of a sports compact vehicle? I don't mean to go off topic, but is there an actual definition?

Just for interests sake, if that is the only criteria, would it also include 6 cyl vehicles like the Porsche 911 turbo etc?

[Z_Fan]

I guess the need for a clear definition exists. I wonder why it wasn't a problem in the past years...as I don't see this line of questioning in the previous two years of threads for the list.

[finboy]

Originally posted by Z_Fan
I guess the need for a clear definition exists. I wonder why it wasn't a problem in the past years...as I don't see this line of questioning in the previous two years of threads for the list.

because people like to be smartasses :D

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by finboy


because people like to be smartasses :D

Nope, not being a smartass at all. It just seems as though a definition should exist to delegate what type of cars are classified as sports compacts and what is not. No big deal really, I just asked out of curiosity :dunno:

[finboy]

okay we'll throw one down then

1. no v8's/v10's/12 cyl's (because a properly set up forced induction 8 cyl, would probably destroy most/all of that list, equally so with 10 cyl's and 12 cyl's)
2. car must cost under $100,000
3. no trucks

any other suggestions?:dunno:

[Z_Fan]

^

I think it goes back to some earlier questions really. In which the fact of the matter is exactly as per finboy's response. Right googe? ;)

In any case, I'll see what I can come up with that would help to more clearly define vehicles that are imports / sport compacts beyond just the 6 cylinder restriction. Give me a couple days and I'll see if I can come up with something that we could deploy as a viable solution.

Open to ideas/comments/suggestions.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

From another website:



Compact car is a largely North American term denoting an automobile smaller than a midsize car, but larger than a subcompact car. Compact cars usually have wheelbases between 2.54 metres (100 inches) and 2.67 metres (105 inches). Another definition specifies between 100 ft³ (2800 L) and 109 ft³ (3000 L) of interior volume.

[Z_Fan]

^

Hahaha, I have found that link too. Unfortunately it really is talking about AMERICAN cars and was formulated solely upon those vehicles. The definition was from back in the 1960's if you look at the origin of when that notion was formulated. It only deals with total volume. Not passenger volume which is how everything goes nowadays.

[Z_Fan]

Well guys, here is a list of cars that would definitely be OK.

Anything V8+ as well as trucks are excluded straight out of the gate.

Now, I figure that the Import / Sport Compact industry (publications and web entities) would clearly have their focus upon cars which are in fact Sport Compacts / Imports. So, using archives from seven years of Sport Compact Magazine, I have compiled a list of vehicles which appeared in those magazines.

You will take special note that there are no Mustangs, Firebirds, Camaros, Etc anywhere near the realm of an import / sport compact magazine unless it happens to be part of an article where a 10 second import gets to spank some american muscle. As such, they will be completely excluded from the list - which also follows the past years of how the list was kept.

Here is a list of cars that do appear (fairly regularly) on the pages of Sport Compact magazines.

Audi A3 / A4 / TT
Acura Integra
Acura RSX
Acura NSX
BMW 3 Series
Chevrolet Cavalier
Chevrolet Cobalt
Dodge Neon
Dodge SRT-4
Dodge Stealth
Eagle Talon
Ford Escort
Ford Focus
Ford Contour
Ford Probe GT
Ford ZX2
Honda Civic [All]
Honda Prelude [All]
Honda S2000
Hyundai Tiburon
Infiniti G20 & G20T
Infiniti G35
Lexus IS 300
Mazda Miata
Mazda 323
Mazda MX-3 Precidia
Mazda 6
Mazda RX-7 RX-8
MazdaSpeeds [All]
MINI Cooper
Mitsubishi 3000GT
Mitsubishi Eclipse
Mitsubishi EVO [All]
Mitsubishi Lancer Relliart
Mitsubishi Galant
Nissan 200SX SE-R
Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V
Nissan 240, 260, 280, 300
Nissan 240sx
Nissan 300zx
Nissan 350Z
Nissan Silvia
Nissan Skyline [All]
Mazda RX-7 / RX-8
Saturn SC2
Saturn ION Redline
Subaru Impreza 2.5RS
Subaru Legacy
Subaru WRX & STI
Toyota Celica
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Matrix
Toyota MR2
Toyota Paseo
Toyota Supra Turbo
VW Beetle Turbo
VW Corrado
VW GTI VR6
VW Golf & Jetta

There is a good list to start with. If your car is missing, and it is an import / sport compact - lemme know and we'll get it added.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Maybe add the VW Corrado in there? Not many of them racing, but you never know.



Heck, your criteria could just be "Anything but Mustangs and Camaros!" ;)

[AllGoNoShow]

Im not a mustang or Camaro and I orignally had a v6, lots of turbo v6 and non turbo v6 buicks lying around.

[Z_Fan]

I'm thinking it would be easiest just to say ANYTHING that is 6 cylinders or less. That would allow certain mustangs as well as other domestics to compete. Frankly, I don't care - but it definitely would stray from what the list was intended to represent. I think most people KNOW what an Import / Sport Compact car actually is...and I think most people who pick up such a publication aren't expecting to see Mustangs, Camaros, Vipers, Buicks, Porsches, Mercedes, etc. They are expecting to see Toyota, Nissan, Honda, etc. Which is what is mostly on the list I started...

[BerserkerCatSplat]

^Very true! I love Mustangs as much as the next guy, but there's just so many super-quick Mustangs out there, they can have their own list! (I'm sure they do, probably on Performance Shop.)

Yeah, I forgot about the Grand Nationals/GNX's. What times do the GNX guys run in Calgary?

I think the idea for this list is to give the imports a list that isn't dominated by large-displacement cars that are kinda in a different class altogether. Hence the lack of V8 cars.

[googe]

so...no bigger than a 6 cyl if its an asian car, no bigger than 4cyl if its an american car, no german cars except VWs, and no v8s...sound about right? haha

in all honesty, there isnt a straight definition that applies, there seems to be certain cars that you know "just are", i think everyone knows what they are so we shouldnt have a problem... (yes i was being a smartass with the camaro/mustang comment)

[finboy]

what about 2.3 turbo cars like mustang svo, merkur xr4ti, and t-bird turbo coupe?

[legendboy]

here's my slip. I shoulda ran slicks. would have been competing for 1st spot :cry:

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/legend88/slip4.jpg

[projectsilvia]

figured id post the amzing al season
tires slip and see hows long it
can last on the list..if at all lol

Calvin
Nissan Silvia SR20DET

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/5368/img02630uu.jpg

[Z_Fan]

A few updates to the list.

Legendboy submits a nice timeslip and claims the #4 spot on the list. Good job! Slicks and you're in 11's all day long.

Projectsilvia claims the #10 spot on the list, bumping Aleks from the list. A new name on the list, and that's great news! But now Projectsilvia finds himself in the bump position.

Z_Fan runs a bit quicker in Edmonton. Two tenths and a few mph. [Will post time slip when I have some time.]

There is a possibility THEONE will be running at Race City in the final October Secret Street events. If he does get out, there is a good chance his AWD Talon will claim the numero uno position on the list.

[Aleks]

So last year and the year before you needed mid 12s to even be in the top 10. Where have all the fast cars gone this year? :confused:

[Z_Fan]

I would assume that part of the problem is that the compilation of the list wasn't focused upon for the entire year - so I'm sure some people who did run never submitted slips because there was no place to do so at the time.

There are still a couple cars I know of that ran in the twelves. Plus you have THEONE which needs to get a slip. If everything goes as expected, I think there will be no 13 second cars on the list. However, if no one submits, well - then those 13 second cars will stay. :)

I think in 2006 you will find that the list is much harder to get on. I believe you are going to see at least two or three 10 second cars - and possibly - just maybe - a 9 second AWD Talon. So, if you have a slip that you can get onto the list with, you should submit it because it is only going to get more difficult next year.

[Z_Fan]

http://www.turbocharge.ca/ZFan_shizit/ZFan11p253at129mph72dpi.jpg

[ron korolak]

Congrats on the times glad to beable to chat with you agian.

P.S I won't be posting any slips until I run a 10 in Calgary.:D

[Z_Fan]

Looking forward to watching your runs and then you will be taking your rightful place at the top of the heap. :)

Meanwhile, I will be praying for SNOW to aid in preserving my spot on the list. :poosie:

List Update:

Darryl B gets onto the list with his run in the 12's.

And guess what, projectsilvia is bumped from the list. Well, at least you can say you were on it at one point! :)

gpomp is now on the BUMP position.

[ron korolak]

Does anyone know who that guy was at Bud Park last night from Fort McMurray beating up on all those SRT4s on pump gas in his BUG??;) :eek: :guns:

[Z_Fan]

^ I suspect you know who he was. ;)

It was interesting to watch a bug go that fast. Crazy stuff.

Thanks for helping push the car - I'll help you if I wind up watching in Calgary. :thumbsup:

But if you run quicker than 11.25, you can push your own damn car. :poosie:

[ron korolak]

Fair enough!

[Inzane]

Originally posted by Z_Fan
Thanks for helping push the car -

Wuss!! What's tha matter? You can't push your own 3500 lb tank in the staging line? :poosie:

:D

[qmf]

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102573


Forcefed - S14 RB20 (Bud Park) 12.815 @ 105.17

[Z_Fan]

Originally posted by ron korolak
Fair enough!

Hahahah, I'll probably be racing the SRT-4 anyhow - just to see if cool air helps my times. But if I'm not, I'll be happy to help.


Originally posted by Inzane
Wuss!! What's tha matter? You can't push your own 3500 lb tank in the staging line? :poosie:
:D

Yeah, it's heavy - and actually I push it all the time in Edmonton by myself - so having some help makes it that much easier and is greatly appreciated.

Anyhow, it's easier to push in Edmonton than Calgary. Staging lanes are flat in Edmonton compared to Calgary which seems to have some small uphill areas that can be rather annoying.

List update...

Congrats to Forcefed who gets on the list with his 12 second run and snags 7th place. This bumps gpomp and puts Can't_Stop_Spin onto the bump position. Unless someone gets out and blisters a quick run in an SRT-4, there would appear to be little hope for keeping an SRT-4 on the list. [Hey, there is always next year!]

[Z_Fan]

Jeff gets onto the list in the number 5 position with a quick run of 12.385 @ 115 mph. This run was at the Edmonton Sport Compact Challenge and I have been eagerly awaiting the timeslip.

Good job and congrats! It is too bad the car had a problem in the "A" semi-final and fell out of the challenge.

And with that, the only representation of the Dodge SRT-4 makes a hasty exit from the Top 10. Can't_Stop_Spin is bumped from the list and everyone now needs a run in the 12 second range just to get on.

Still awaiting that timeslip from the Silver 350z that ran a 12.7x at Bud Park in the SCC on the 17th...which will only make getting on the list harder.

Dconz is now in the bump position.

[ron korolak]

Originally posted by Z_Fan
I guess the need for a clear definition exists. I wonder why it wasn't a problem in the past years...as I don't see this line of questioning in the previous two years of threads for the list.

HATERS

[Autodream]

Originally posted by Z_Fan
^ Awaiting his timeslip. Hopefully he'll submit it soon. He will be near the top o' the list.

Also awaiting Ron K's timeslips from Edmonton or Calgary. Those should be at the top of the list. :poosie:

Also awaiting Nguyen at Auto Dream cuz that car is F-A-S-T too.

sorry I ran a 12.4sec in SCC at bud park, but I show the slip to my friend, and didn't give it back, so I can't post it untill if I will ever get it back.

[Z_Fan]

Took the SRT-4 out for the final Secret Streets event in Calgary. I applied pretty much everything I have learned this year from drag racing the Z...and banged off some very respectable times in the SRT-4.

Here is the fastest timeslip of the evening.

http://www.turbocharge.ca/ZFan_shizit/ZFan_SRT4_12p657at109mph72dpi.jpg

This is good enough to snag the #6 spot on the list. I feel bad for knocking out a fellow Z owner from the list, however, it's nice to have the SRT-4's being represented on the list. Oh dear, I have two cars on the list.

I believe with a few mods to the SRT-4, and taking her on the road to Bud Park may just yield a low 12 or high 11 pass next year. But with baby on the way, mods may not be possible for some time.

[ecstasy_civic]

Originally posted by Z_Fan
Took the SRT-4 out for the final Secret Streets event in Calgary. I applied pretty much everything I have learned this year from drag racing the Z...and banged off some very respectable times in the SRT-4.

Here is the fastest timeslip of the evening.

http://www.turbocharge.ca/ZFan_shizit/ZFan_SRT4_12p657at109mph72dpi.jpg

This is good enough to snag the #6 spot on the list. I feel bad for knocking out a fellow Z owner from the list, however, it's nice to have the SRT-4's being represented on the list. Oh dear, I have two cars on the list.

I believe with a few mods to the SRT-4, and taking her on the road to Bud Park may just yield a low 12 or high 11 pass next year. But with baby on the way, mods may not be possible for some time.


:eek: HOLY SHIT SHAWN!!!!!!!!! LOL

What did you do differently tonight? slicks?

[Z_Fan]

Well, I just made sure everything was just right.

Tires were Mickey Thompson ET Streets. NOT the Radial kind like on my Z. So, these are not the ET Drag Slick, they have grooves, but they are a bias ply drag tire w/tubes.

The cool weather played a large factor. If you want to know what is scary - the car kicked out of HOM (High Octane Mode) on every single run, including the 12.657 run. So, if I can ever afford to get a decent boost controller for this car, and can keep HOM engaged, this car is going to go even faster.

Fuel was VP109.

[qmf]

I saw your srt-4 last night, jesus that thinged moved. Quickest srt-4 in calgary by far. Great job :thumbsup:

[Z_Fan]

Originally posted by sr20det95


sorry I ran a 12.4sec in SCC at bud park, but I show the slip to my friend, and didn't give it back, so I can't post it untill if I will ever get it back.

Well, I have some good news and bad news.

I am currently attempting to make the top 10 list as accurate as possible. Which is why I require a time slip for all entries. Fortunately, I have recently received all the "A" elimination times as recorded by Bud Park. So, I have some quick runs that I have the times for and can use them to add to the list.

For your car, I don't have the 12.4 run (probably because it was in qualifying, not eliminations) - but I do have a 12.593 @ 114.93 mph run for your car. I also have video. And that's good enough to get onto the list. Ironically it puts you in the same position as if you had run a 12.4 because there is no one with times in that gap. So, you land in the same position on the Top 10. Good job.

So, I'll be adding you up shortly.

You will be bumping my SRT-4 down a notch too!!! Damn you! :guns: :guns:

[googe]

it would be more accurate if it included cars that everyone (or a lot of "credible" people) knows ran a given time. i see the need for proof, but all it gives us a list that everyone knows isnt complete, as opposed to a list that is known to be mostly complete. my 2 cents :dunno:

[Z_Fan]

Top 10 List Update:

Lots of action on the list today. So, here we go with the update.

Z_Fan’s 12.657 run in the SRT-4 at the last Secret Street event at Race City bumped Dconz and puts Darryl B onto the BUMP position! Wow! The SRT-4 was just screaming on Friday night.

sr20det95’s (Auto Dream) Silvia S14 has a 12.593 run from the SCC in Edmonton. This is good enough to steal the sixth spot on the list from…*ME* … god dammit!

The Silvia’s run bumps Darryl B/Subracing Mazda RX-7 from the list.

John P introduces himself to the list with a smooth run of 12.786 @ 110 mph. This run was also at the SCC in Edmonton. Good job, and it’s great to have a 350z on the list. Since it’s the only one, well, I guess John lays claim to the fastest 350z in Alberta. Congrats! I hope you can hang onto a position on the Top 10.

That run bumps Forcefed’s S14 run from the list. Well, the good news is that at least the S14’s are still represented on the list. Nice job guys, those are some fast cars.

Interestingly enough, John’s run is 0.001 seconds faster than Cody D. Now, that’s what I call close. Unfortunately that 1/1000 of a second puts Cody D onto the BUMP position. I have bad news Cody, I think you’re going to get bumped from the list in due time. Well, you can keep your fingers crossed at any rate.

That completes the list update.

[Z_Fan]

Alrighty folks, here is the scoop. I’d like the list of the fastest imports / sport compacts in Alberta to be as accurate, competitive and complete as possible. In other words, if runs were made in Alberta and the cars were quick enough to get onto the list, I’d like to see them on the list.

I need your help!

There are a couple of cars that ran at the SCC in Edmonton – time slip data for which I already have in my possession. However, I don’t know anything about the owners or if they actually want their times to be represented on the Top 10 list. For runs done at the SCC in Edmonton, only cars whose owners have expressed interest to appear on the list will be added. I'm not just adding the cars because I think they belong. I want to ensure that the owner wants their car on the list.

If you can help me with tracking a couple of drivers down, that would be fantastic as there are two cars that should be on the list but I have no info other than times.

First car. I need to find the owner of a White Honda CRX which actually got to the Elimination “A” final race. I have time slip information (and video) of a 12.691 run. The car was R49 at the event.

Second car. This car was eliminated in the first round of the “A” eliminations in Edmonton by the above car. It I believe is a Black (dark anyhow) Honda Civic. It ran a 12.753 on the slip I have for it and this car was R48.

These two cars (and their runs) can be seen on the Edmonton SCC video (first race) that I believe Loose posted up a while back.

[Z_Fan]

Originally posted by googe
it would be more accurate if it included cars that everyone (or a lot of "credible" people) knows ran a given time. i see the need for proof, but all it gives us a list that everyone knows isnt complete, as opposed to a list that is known to be mostly complete. my 2 cents :dunno:

The list would in fact be less accurate and its completeness would be questionable if it allowed entires based solely upon eye witness accounts. In addition, it may place a vehicle on the list when the owner doesn't want to be on the list.

I'm glad that you see the need for proof. That isn't going to change. :)

A time slip proves the time and speed of the run. When that is coupled with those who witness the run, it establishes proof more credible than simply saying, "Hey, did you see that SRT-4 run 12's last night?" and buddy replies "Yeah, didn't it run like a 12.56 or something?" Well, no - it didn't run a 12.56. It ran a 12.657.

The method being used gives us a list that is 100% accurate. It is as complete as the owners of fast cars within the import / sport compact community wish to make it.

Requiring a time slip puts the onus upon the owner of the vehicle to express interest in being on the list. This ensures the list is comprised only of those who wish to be on it - and I can assure you that those who wish to be on it keep track of their timeslips when they run a personal best.

As evidenced by factual timeslips currently on the list, the difference of 1/1000 of a second can alter the position of a car on the list. It is for this reason that the timeslip plays such a critical role and will continue to do so in the compilation of the list.

[Z_Fan]

Another Update!

Darryl B gets back onto the list with some last minutes runs at Bud Park in Edmonton. Not in the RX-7, but in an Eagle Talson TSi. We're not talking about just squeaking onto the list either - we're talking screaming right up near the top! Darryl's fast runs take the 3rd spot on the list. :eek:

Almost into the 11 second realm and from the sounds of it, 11's will surely be seen next year. Fantastic 60 foot times too. Very very sweet 60 foots!

Unfortunately, that bumps Cody from the list. Sorry man, and nope, we can't put your 10 second bike times on the list! It moves John and his Supercharged 350z to the BUMP position.

Congrats on your run Darryl. That's very nice! :)

Sidenote: Darryl's run takes 3rd spot away from Rob. Yet it would appear Rob did have one run into the elevens. Send me a timeslip and you'll re-claim 3rd spot on the list. See, now there is some pressure to get that thing scanned. Before, there wasn't. Let the digging commence.

Honorable mention.

I have decided that the Top 5 cars in the BUMP list will ultimately form a small list ... and we'll call it honorable mention for those who narrowly missed the list yet have very impressive times.

[dconz]

Originally posted by Z_Fan

I feel bad for knocking out a fellow Z owner from the list


Ya Ya.... sure sure.....Oh its on like D.K! :guns:

j/k congrats man.

See all Y'all next season

..Dan

[Z_Fan]

Originally posted by dconz


Ya Ya.... sure sure.....Oh its on like D.K! :guns:

j/k congrats man.

See all Y'all next season

..Dan

Well, at the time I felt bad.

Now I'm completely over it. :D LOL

Besides, there have been lots of other times that would have knocked you out of the Top 10 anyhow. I'm just hoping the SRT-4 hangs on to #8 without getting bumped!

[Z_Fan]

** UPDATE **

We have two new entries onto the Top 10 Fastest Imports / Sport Compacts. Both are Midtown Import Hondas with fast passes done at the Edmonton Sport Compact Challenge.

They lay claim to the number 9 and 10 spots on the list, and I'm happy to finally get these slips and car information. These runs make it even more difficult to get onto the list as now you need a very quick pass of 12.687 or better.

On the list and on the BUMP position is the Honda CRX. Yet now is probably a very safe time to be on the #10 spot and actually have some hope of retaining it.

With Race City and Bud Park closed for the year, I think we may very well have the top 10 list, although I know if certain people do enough digging for time slips, they may be able to improve their positions on the list.

Unfortunately, now we get to the bad news. With every success story about a fast pass taking a spot on the list - we also have the other side of the coin to deal with. Those who get BUMPED!

This BUMPS Adam's very quick Neon from the list, and also off the list goes John's Supercharged 350z. Fortunately we recently had the addition of the Honorable Mention list, and your times will sit right at the top.

[Z_Fan]

BUMPED. Darryl B/Subracing, 1993 Mazda RX-7 3Rotor, 12.928 @ 113.47 (Bud Park)

BUMPED. Dconz, 1990 Nissan 300zx Twin Turbo, 12.974 @ 113.50 (Bud Park)

BUMPED. Can't_Stop_Spin, 2004 Dodge SRT-4, 13.035 @ 107.14 (Bud Park)

BUMPED. gpomp, 1995 Honda Civic DX Coupe, 13.091 @ 110.01 (Race City)

BUMPED. Projectsilvia, 1988 Nissan Silvia SR20DET, 13.397 @ 107.28 (Race City)

BUMPED. Aleks, 1999 Acura Integra, 13.433 @ 110.09 (Race City)

[Z_Fan]

As the year is very quickly coming to a close, the list has had what will likely be its final update.

Icydude is officially on the list with a quick run (months ago) at Bud Park. His run sneaks into the 5th quickest position with a very impressive time of 12.124. A video and a timeslip were submitted for this entry. Good job.

The list has been updated to contain hyperlinks to each submissions proof. [Timeslip] Despite some early critism of requiring a timeslip, I do feel it is important for the accuracy of the task and beats the heck out of hearsay. :rolleyes:

The list is comprised of the fastest 10 SCC/import cars that ran in Alberta (and submitted a slip) - and it is worthy of note that this list has both the highest MPH and the lowest ET average since Loose started compiling the Top 10 list in 2003. So, congratulations to everyone, good job.

12.184 average ET trapping at an average of 116.74 mph.

Knowing there were some extremely fast cars that didn't run in Alberta this year means the list will be even more competitive next year. So look for that average ET and trap to top the 2005 list. 2006 should be exciting, and I encourage everyone to keep your timeslips, get them submitted and continue to make the list complete and competitive for next year.

Santa is coming soon! Here's hoping he's got car parts to make your ride F-A-S-T-E-R.

[Aleks]

Not that it matters but my fastest this year was [email protected] Good enough to move up a spot in the bumped positions :D

[Z_Fan]

That's a good time. But you're right, it doesn't matter. <smile>


:)

Maybe next year! [But I think next year is going to even be harder to get onto the list than this year...so I think low 12's area is going to be what you need. 12.4 and quicker as a guess.]

That's only 2 tenths faster...and there are some cars that didn't run this year in Alberta that will be "together" and ready for next year. Expect a couple 10 second passes to be made by eligible cars for the list. 2006 will probably be the first time we see 10 second slips on the list since Loose started it a few years ago.

Gonna be exciting!

[ron korolak]

Looks like we should be putting M3the01 from 780TUNERS in the number 1 spot he has PM'd me that he ran a 10.2 @ 143Mph in Edmonton at Bud Park.

[Z_Fan]

Happy new year. Welcome to 2006. :)

The list has become official. No more entries will be accepted for the 2005 Top 10 Fastest SCC / Import list. Next year [if I am keeping the list] the entry deadline will be a couple weeks after the tracks close. When I decided I'd offer up my time to maintain the list, it was just clear to me that the compilation of the list wasn't really going to happen unless someone grabbed the ball and ran with it. Anyhow, that is why there was a great deal of flexibility provided. [with respect to time allotted to submit a slip for a 1/4 mile pass]

This year nearly twenty submissions of 12 second or faster slips were received. That's impressive and tells you that there are several cars not on the list that can run 12's...so the list is very competitive in that area.

I would be happy to keep the list for next year as well. If that is OK with everyone.

I think if we actually attempt to draw some awareness to the list, we'll perhaps receive a broader representation of the fastest street cars in our province. As a group, the list shows that sport compacts / import tuners have some extremely fast street legal machines in Alberta. Good job.

Again, Happy New Year and best of luck in 2006.


[For most beyond.ca members, you'd need to read the 780tuners.com thread to hear full discussion on the M3.]

My 0.02 on the M3.

Whether or not the run by the M3 happened or not is of little consequence now. For this M3 -> no time slip and/or video was ever received in this thread or via e-mail ... and as such, no proof has been presented to verify the claim. The M3 would indeed be considered a car eligible for the list. So, next year if this car runs the owner should post up the video or timeslips as did the others who are on the list. Simple as that.

[Z_Fan]

UPDATE:

We are attempting to define the eligibility rules for the 2006 list. There is lengthy discussion that has happened on 780tuners.com. I think it happened there mostly because it seems all the fast cars are in Edmonton.

<smile>

In any case, I just wanted to post this information up in case there are some beyond.ca members that may like to have input/suggestions into what these guidelines for next years list will be.

If you do, please read the 780tuners thread. (Weeding out bullshit as you go, sorry, I can't control that.) And then comment either on 780tuners or in this thread.

For reference, here is a link to the 780tuners thread.

http://forums.780tuners.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32596

If you are interested and want to contribute, you can safely skip the first 7 pages of the above thread. Unfortunately, the thread is now 20 pages long, and a lot has already been discussed.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Interesting...


Your 3-point criteria:

[1] 6-cylinder or less
[2] Sport Compact
[3] Import

Allowing anything that meets 2 of 3 is a very good system. However, you said that V6/I4 Mustangs, Camaros and GN's should be disqualified because their sheer size takes them outside the realm of "Sport Compact."

However.

If "Compact" is denoted by size (I will measure that in wheelbase, as body bits don't really make a difference), then 300ZX's (101.2"), Supras (101.4"), and Skylines (107.1") would also be disqualified, as they all are larger vehicles than the Mustang (100.5") and the Camaro (101.1"). [GN's are enormous, I don't think they should be included]

The Mustang invented the idea of Sport Compact in North America - in the days when 116 inch wheelbases were the norm, the comparitively tiny Mustang started the ponycar revolution - in essence, the beginnings of the Sport Compact scene.

Therefore, I really don't see the problem with including V6/I4 Mustangs/Camaros - If the owners wish to participate in the list (And I'm assuming they'd probably be Beyond/780 members, and thus a part of the community). I mean, they have just as much the right to participate with their six-bangers. Heck, their 6's and 4's were never even intended to be sporty cars, really. If anything, they'll have a tougher time being competitive.


I guess what I'm trying to say is this:

There is no money involved in getting 1st place on the list. Or second. Or third. It's just a bunch of guys (and girls) out there running for the hell of it and racing for bragging rights. It's all for fun. We're not "preserving a scene" or anything like that - the intent of the list is to show who's fast and who's faster. Telling a kid who's got a turbo I4 Mustang that he can't even have a shot at the list just because he has a Mustang is a little bit discriminatory. Just because he doesn't have the cash to run with the V8 boys doesn't mean he should be excluded altogether. I mean, that's just a imaginary example, but if someone like that wants to take part, I say let them.

If it's all for fun, let them run.

[Phuqu]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat


The Mustang invented the idea of Sport Compact in North America - in the days when 116 inch wheelbases were the norm, the comparitively tiny Mustang started the ponycar revolution - in essence, the beginnings of the Sport Compact scene.




I would have to disagree. I think Chevy was first on the scene.

http://www.geocities.com/citation_x11/history.html

As long as the majority of people agree to what should be allowed it will be fine. You can't please all the people all the time.

[Z_Fan]

^

If you read further in the 780 thread, you will find that a list of vehicles allowable has already been started. There is no real definition that you can use that everyone would be happy about. We aren't attempting to redefine what is allowed, we are going by what has always been considered part of the SCC / import scene by bodies such as SCC/import web sites, magazines, auto builders and in this case, the NHRA.
...

The foundation of the list came from what the NHRA has allowed to compete in their Sport Compact series. [Body wise] If it is good enough for the NHRA, its good enough for the list.

Mustangs, Grand Nationals, Camaros are domestic vehicles that have never ever been considered part of the import or SCC scene and the NHRA agrees as they are excluded. Additionally, you won't find the lastest mustang or camaro on the cover of an import or sport compact magazine.

The three point criteria was part of a discussion, never something in the rules, but usually are the elements considered to help define vehicle eligibility. Vehicle volume, etc. is not going to be part of the equation. Seems strange maybe, but the reality is the automotive magazines, web sites and bodies like the NHRA (as well as tradition) better define what a sport compact / import actually is than volume measurements.

[ron korolak]

Just wondering why nothing is mentioned about overhead cam motors which is used to discribe sport compact power plants in most rule books?

[Z_Fan]

...

Engine must come from a SCC / import and reside in a SCC / import.

...

So, it allows for engines including rotaries found in RX-7 and RX-8, etc. But I think we can put that into the rules as is commonly found. The only exception being the rotor motors in those Mazdas.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by ron korolak
Just wondering why nothing is mentioned about overhead cam motors which is used to discribe sport compact power plants in most rule books?

Why are you not on the list? That 10.9 should be good for 1st. :dunno:

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by Z_Fan
^

If you read further in the 780 thread, you will find that a list of vehicles allowable has already been started. There is no real definition that you can use that everyone would be happy about. We aren't attempting to redefine what is allowed, we are going by what has always been considered part of the SCC / import scene by bodies such as SCC/import web sites, magazines, auto builders and in this case, the NHRA.
...

The foundation of the list came from what the NHRA has allowed to compete in their Sport Compact series. [Body wise] If it is good enough for the NHRA, its good enough for the list.

Mustangs, Grand Nationals, Camaros are domestic vehicles that have never ever been considered part of the import or SCC scene and the NHRA agrees as they are excluded. Additionally, you won't find the lastest mustang or camaro on the cover of an import or sport compact magazine.

The three point criteria was part of a discussion, never something in the rules, but usually are the elements considered to help define vehicle eligibility. Vehicle volume, etc. is not going to be part of the equation. Seems strange maybe, but the reality is the automotive magazines, web sites and bodies like the NHRA (as well as tradition) better define what a sport compact / import actually is than volume measurements.


I can see where you're coming from, but import magazines and the NHRA make their distinctions based upon one thing - money. Import magazines exclude Mustangs and Camaros, etc. due to the classic import vs. domestic rivalry. They have defined a target audience, and they cater to that. The NHRA is involved in a lot of prize money, and they need to seperate cars for the same reason as the import mags - they have an audience that is paying the entrance fees that they need to consider.

And who runs a V6 Mustang in the NHRA, anyway?

What I'm trying to say is that this list doesn't have prize money. It doesn't sell issues of Import Tuner. It's not sponsored. What it is, is a list of cars on a website in Alberta. Outside of the two websites, outside of Alberta, nobody is really interested in getting on the list. It's a community of car enthusiasts who want a somewhat structured way to compare timeslips. That's all.

I agree that V8's should not be included based on that fact that they would probably dominate the list, but leaving out the smaller-displacement siblings is doing the community a disservice. We're not an import tuner mag, and we're certainly not the NHRA. Why should we, the community, exclude parts of that self-same community based on rules and definitions thought up by corporations whose bottom line revolves around it?

I mean, and this isn't meant as an insult, what are you afraid of? That somebody might make a screaming fast V6 mustang and top the list? So be it, that's the nature of racing. People do what they can with what they've got, and whoever goes that fastest wins.

[Z_Fan]

Originally posted by Aleks


Why are you not on the list? That 10.9 should be good for 1st. :dunno:

Pass was not done in Alberta. Next year, expect to see that be at the top of the list...


Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat
They have defined a target audience, and they cater to that.

This is kind of what we decided about the list in the discussion on 780tuners.com. That the list is really catering to a specific audience, and it isn't mustangs and camaros. It's SCC and import tuners...

I'm actually open to all suggestions and don't care either way whether the mustang/camaro v6 versions are allowed on the list. This particular issue is something that really we could not resolve, so the choice was simply to do nothing and continue with traditionally eligible cars.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Yeah, I can see how it would be tough to reach an agreement on something like this, considering the diversity of the community. I tried to read through the 780 thread, but there was just too much talk about specific cars and whatnot, and I don't really know anyone on the forum there.

I'm just tossing my ideas out, looking for some feedback. I didn't really expect to change anything, I just wanted provoke some discussion. :D

[Z_Fan]

^ That's what it is all about. So, if you have other things you wanted to add or suggest, go for it.

I'm gonna post up where we are at on Monday (or Sunday night). But I think on about page 18 of the other thread there is a start of a list for eligibility ... or general eligibility plus a list of cars if you are interested.

[Z_Fan]

Alberta’s Fastest Sport Compacts / Imports of 2006


General Eligibility Requirements:

1. Vehicle must be owned by an Alberta resident or business. Vehicle must be registered and insured in the province of Alberta.
2. Quarter mile pass must be completed on an Alberta quarter mile track. [Edmonton: Bud Park, Calgary: Race City]
3. A digital photo or scan of your timeslip [JPG format], which clearly indicates the Track, Date and your cars time must be submitted.
4. Video may also be used to submit your time IF a timeslip is not available. [WMV format] Your video must clearly show the entire pass from start to finish and MUST clearly show the tower displaying both the MPH and the ET.
5. When you submit your time, please include your Car Make/Model/Year and the name/screen name you wish to have displayed in the list.

Make/Models eligible for competition. [List will go here]

Additional Information:

1. Eligible cars must be streetable with the exception of tires and/or fuel. Use of Race Gasoline, Nitrous Oxide, or Water Injection (or others) as fuel related power adders are permitted.
2. All variations of tire construction are permitted. Bias ply Slicks, Drag Radials, Street Radials, etc.
3. Eligible engines must be of an overhead cam (OHC) configuration [exception: RX-7/8 Rotary] originating from a vehicle that is a Sport Compact / Import and residing in a vehicle that is a Sport Compact / Import.
4. All formats of drive, be it RWD, FWD or AWD are eligible for the list.


11.99 or quicker Pass Requirements

1. A back-up pass is required for passes quicker than 11.99 seconds. Your fastest pass needs to be backed up by a secondary pass that is within 0.25 seconds of the fast pass ET.


10.99 or quicker Pass Requirements [inclusive of above].

1. 10.99 second or faster times must include BOTH a timeslip and a video.

[Z_Fan]

^^

If you've been keeping tabs on the 20 page 780 discussion [or if you have not], here is what we've come up with for next year rules / eligibility. Just helps to provide some clarity...

Comments...suggestions still welcome...before this becomes final.

[iceburns288]

Originally posted by Z_Fan
I'm actually open to all suggestions and don't care either way whether the mustang/camaro v6 versions are allowed on the list. This particular issue is something that really we could not resolve, so the choice was simply to do nothing and continue with traditionally eligible cars.

What I don't get is that the V6 or I4 Stangs or Camaros and whatnot match the criteria you ask for, but they aren't allowed because they're made in America. You let the SRT-4 count, and it meets the exact same criteria as the Stangs... that doesn't have to do with your SRT-4 on the list, does it?

[Z_Fan]

It has nothing to do with whether or not they are domestics. Nor does it have to do with their V6 powerplants [although it probably DOES have to do with displacement]. Mustangs and Camaros are not sport compacts and that isn't my doing. They are not in the same category of car. They have been traditionally excluded from this class - for a long time [always] - by other automotive groups / magazines / websites.

SRT-4's have been allowed on the list since they were introduced in 2003. [See previous lists for reference.]

When was the last time you saw a magazine article comparing Sport Compact / Import class vehicles where the Mustang or the Camaro was a participant? This is not my idea. Take it up with the NHRA as they feel the same. As do all Sport Compact / Import Magazines. Go figure! :rolleyes:

There is no debate that the SRT-4, Neon, Cobalt, Pursuit, etc. are in fact Sport Compacts. There is great debate as to whether or not Mustangs / Camaros are Sport Compacts which they have never been considered. It probably has a lot more to do with their displacement than wheelbase or physical size.

What you imply about "my" SRT-4 is unfortunately based exclusively on your own ignorance. Your suggestion = total :bullshit:

[legendboy]

they should correct for altitude if they want to include races from calgary AND edmonton on the main scc list. it isn't a fair comparison. either that or split the list, one for calgary and one for edmonton