so what would this be in 1/4 time?? :)

[bart]

well, had a dyno last weekend, i was .7hp low of my goal, but whatever, its just a tdi... after all, its not a sports car lol.

so, hoping race city is open this week, to see what i can get, hopefully without breaking any more axles... :p

here's the graph: (yes mustang dyno, no silly dynojet :))

http://servfiles.com/4520/

any predictions?? i am aiming for 15's! so watch out! ahah

btw, not bad for 45ish MPG and having doubled the original factory power using ALL OEM parts! :thumbsup:

[90Tegra]

got torque?
u'd hit high 14

[Boosted_TL]

Well seen as how you are all TQ and not HP, traction wont be an issue. I would say your shoot for 15's would be easily acheiveable, even high 14's. Thats also on a Mustang Dyno so you are close to 300 TQ. Dom told me about your torque monster from last saturday and I was impressed.



:thumbsup:

[gpomp]

i'd say 15s

[Aleks]

Haha awsome that's more HP than a stock type R would make on that dyno LOL. This thing must be awsome in city driving! My guess for you is 15.3s.

[bart]

thanks! i am thinking 15.5 maybe, we'll see. city driving is the best part, 2nd gear at 2k seems to feel like i keep getting rear ended! ahah

see you friday maybe.

[lastprodigy]

nice numbers......wheres the modlist

[forkdork]

Awesome!

Btw: 267.7ft lb = 363nm ;)

[bart]

Originally posted by forkdork
Awesome!

Btw: 267.7ft lb = 363nm ;)

i was talking crank :)

here is the mod list: http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23520

[89coupe]

16.2@82mph

Thats assuming your car weighs in around 3250 with you in the car.

Did I guess right on the weight?

[DonJuan]

^ do the Golfs weigh that much??? I would have thought atleast a low 15.

[QuasarCav]

When do you shift?

Would an engine with opposite numbers be faster/slower?

[lastprodigy]

^^arent redlines on the tdi like 4500...?

[bart]

yes it will weigh that much with me, and i will shift at redline (4750rpm).

[89coupe]

Then there is no chance in hell of you getting into the 15's...sorry :dunno:

16.2@82mph is my guess. Post your results after you hit the track.



Originally posted by bart
yes it will weigh that much with me, and i will shift at redline (4750rpm).

[Mightaswell]

since that was on Mustang Dyno, I say 15.5 to 16, w/ a trap hovering around 87.

[89coupe]

LOL...and dynoing it on a Mustang dyno factors into this how?


Originally posted by Mightaswell
since that was on Mustang Dyno, I say 15.5 to 16, w/ a trap hovering around 87.

[Lo)2enz0]

I am thinking high to mid 15's

[89coupe]

Its physically impossible for him to get into the 15's with a vehicle that weighs 3250lbs with driver and only making 150rwhp. Impossible!

[bart]

150fwhp! :) ahah i guess we'll see. :D

[Z_Fan]

Well, I have a car which weighed in at 2980 lbs with driver. It says it has 175 bhp. So, probably not 150 to the wheels. It has run in the 15's. In fact, mid 15's!

So, if he has 150 whp on a mustang dyno, then he's got almost 175 to the wheel on a dynojet. I think he can do 15's, but I think it will be high 15's. So, that's my guess.

When do we get to see it run?

Edit: Horsepower / ET Calculator says it 3250 pounds can run a 15.5 if it puts 172 hp to the wheels. So, I think 15's is realistic. I'm sure there will be lots of 16's as well.

[bart]

Originally posted by 89coupe
Its physically impossible for him to get into the 15's with a vehicle that weighs 3250lbs with driver and only making 150rwhp. Impossible!

maybe this is why i might be able to do it!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/01vdubin/moretoarqs.jpg

buahah.

[rage2]

Power to weight ratio is very close to my SLK 320 which ran 15.7@90mph or something. I have no idea what gearing is like, and bart probably shifts faster than my SLK slushbox, so I'll guess [email protected].

Lets make some bets! ;)

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by bart


maybe this is why i might be able to do it!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/01vdubin/moretoarqs.jpg

buahah.

:rofl: :rofl: Clarkson and his "Torques"!

[Mr_ET]

but it's a front drive

don't think it has the r32 awd system.

that really low redline will hurt you.

hope you shift real fast.

i'd say between 15.9 and 16.4

if this is your first time expect to be disappointed

there is a learning curve.

second third and so on will be better and better.

expect that much on friday and let us know how she does

fun to see someone finally mod a tdi been wanting to see that for a while :P

[89coupe]

Yeh lets start a pool. I'm in. Whats the wager?


Originally posted by rage2
Power to weight ratio is very close to my SLK 320 which ran 15.7@90mph or something. I have no idea what gearing is like, and bart probably shifts faster than my SLK slushbox, so I'll guess [email protected].

Lets make some bets! ;)

[rage2]

Originally posted by Mr_ET
but it's a front drive
Yea, 150whp, not gonna be a huge problem (depending on gearing of course).

Originally posted by Mr_ET
that really low redline will hurt you.
Not really, i'm sure the gearing is designed for the powerband of the motor.

Originally posted by Mr_ET
hope you shift real fast.
bart knows how to drive hehe.

[rage2]

Originally posted by 89coupe
Yeh lets start a pool. I'm in. Whats the wager?

$10 each? Winner gets all that in beer? haha.

Rules would be to guess ET, closest without going over (or in this case, under the actual ET) would win.

[89coupe]

I'm in for $10.

So just ET? No mph?

Why should it be over or under? Why not just closest to?

[lsc2g]

he'll hit 15s.. i hope to hit 15s tommorow lol

[rage2]

Originally posted by 89coupe
I'm in for $10.

So just ET? No mph?

Why should it be over or under? Why not just closest to?
haha I dunno that's usually the rule. Well, on the price is right anyways haha.

[bart]

i will say right now i wont bias and go for the fastest most humanly possible time i can get. :) they will have a tow truck if something blows up right?? :D

[89coupe]

Lets just make it closest to ET high or low. If thats OK then I'm in for $10 :D and my guess is 16.2



Originally posted by rage2

haha I dunno that's usually the rule. Well, on the price is right anyways haha.

[rage2]

Sounds good. 15.7s, $10.

[Audio_Rookie]

45mpg and 270ft/lb of torque, very nice!
...im guessing low 16's.

[89coupe]

Just for the record. Have you weighed your car and how much do you weigh.

I'm making this bet on the assumption you and your car weigh in at 3250lbs???

[bart]

no, not recently, i will go weigh it at the weigh station today if you want, deerfoot extension one?? or where is it?? i will leave seats and stuff like that in the car. just like it is when i drive it on the street.

other thing, it will be on winter tires (blizzaks), but i think i will put 17" 245's ready to be thrown out rcompounds on the front... so hopefully i get a better off the line launch. we'll see. so i dont know if that matters for your bets :) so they have good street tire level grip now i think.

[gpomp]

i hit 15.7 @ 90 with 21.3 lb/whp. you're around 21.6 so :dunno:

[89coupe]

Weight is a critical factor in making an accurate guess. I guess I will wait for you to weigh it with you in it?


Originally posted by bart
no, not recently, i will go weigh it at the weigh station today if you want, deerfoot extension one?? or where is it?? i will leave seats and stuff like that in the car. just like it is when i drive it on the street.

other thing, it will be on winter tires (blizzaks), but i think i will put 17" 245's ready to be thrown out rcompounds on the front... so hopefully i get a better off the line launch. we'll see. so i dont know if that matters for your bets :) so they have good street tire level grip now i think.

[bart]

sure later today/tonight i will have a weight for you and others :)

[A2VR6]

My guess will be 15.8, sweet car tho!:thumbsup:

[rage2]

Anyone else wanna bet?

[CRXguy]

my prediction is 16.5@84mph.

rage2 has my $10 covered! :thumbsup: :rofl: :rofl:

[bart]

no low 15's high 14's??? ahah stay tuned for weight in a few hours...

[bart]

OK!

according to hwy2 weigh station, 1340kg, which according to google is 2950lbs... seems to be a bit low to me, but whatever. thats with fuel light on and me in the car, as it will be tomorrow night.

so i guess ladies and gentlemen, re-estimate your times and place your bets! :D

[gpomp]

15.8 @ 91 :dunno:

[bart]

also, my door says 1475kg, not sure if thats dry or not, assuming its full fuel and fluids, add me (85kg) thats 3400lbs, so no idea where they get an extra 200lbs from... unless the scale wasn't working properly.

according to vw website, its officially 1330kg empty, so that would make it 1415kg or (3110lbs). so who knows what to go off of!

[89coupe]

I'lll stick with 16.2

[bart]

anyone else betting some moola? so only 2 bets?? ahah

[rage2]

haha 3 bets, crxguy, me and 89coupe. Kenny's going to bet too.

[rc2002]

We should have a bet on how much your car can tow instead. Those torque numbers are impressive!

[bart]

ok so:

16.2 for 89coupe VS 15.7 rage2?
16.5 crxguy vs kenny?

whats kenny saying?? lets get this organized! so i will do a few runs, and its going to best one i guess.

[rage2]

No, it's a pool. Closest wins ;).

[bart]

ah ok! gotcha.

btw here are my gear ratios...

1st 12.8
2nd 7.2
3rd 4.6
4th 3.29
5th 2.58

1st is gonna be way over before i hit 60' lol. and i will be in 4th going over the finish line. can i enter the pool too?? :)

[Raz]

Originally posted by 89coupe
Its physically impossible for him to get into the 15's with a vehicle that weighs 3250lbs with driver and only making 150rwhp. Impossible!

car weighs over 3300 with me in it, makes 162 crank horsepower from the factory and it has 200.000 km on it, with an exhaust leak, my first day out, and having NEVER been to a dragstrip as the driver EVER before, I ran a 15.7

So, is it still impossible? No. :D

- Rasmus

[Raz]

what is your final gear ratio?

[bart]

no idea, dont even know what that means. ahah think of me as tom cruise from days of thunder, i only know how to drive, not how cars work :rolleyes:

[89coupe]

Funny stuff. Hopefully the track doesn't get rained out.

So where do I collect my winnings? LOL...j/k

Beer and wings somewhere?

The only guy I really know is Rage...and I've only met him a few times...LOL

[Raz]

Hehe, okidoke Mr. Cruise, I'll video tape you tonight! :D

[hizzity]

I am going to say 15.6

[nismodrifter]

I'm guessing a 15.8 or 9......lets see how it goez.

[Aleks]

$10 on the rain :rofl:

[djfob]

started sprinkling a tiny bit when I left, wonder how it's holding out

[Raz]

Yea, they closed drag, auto-x kept going.

[bart]

so, if anyone noticed, i line up for my first run about to warm up the tires, and 3 freaking droplets hit my windshield and they hold me!!!!!! ffs! thats now it ended, so who was closest to 0.00?? :rolleyes:

i guess the suspense continues until next friday. :dunno:

[Raz]

i'll be there with a cam :)

Nice car dude! :thumbsup:

[Z_Fan]

Originally posted by bart
so, if anyone noticed, i line up for my first run about to warm up the tires, and 3 freaking droplets hit my windshield and they hold me!!!!!! ffs! thats now it ended, so who was closest to 0.00?? :rolleyes:

i guess the suspense continues until next friday. :dunno:

LOL

OMFG that is too funny. :rofl:

Well, I can wait another week. At least now I'll be able to watch your run. :)

[bart]

better be open tonight!!

[qmf]

I say 16.2 @ 86ish, good luck man, tonights gonna be a cold one......

[Z_Fan]

It is open, I just phoned. 15.6 I think you can run with our wonderful air. 15.6-15.9 ... yeah, that's it.

[BB6SE]

i say mid 15

[Aleks]

I think I was closest :D I'll let Bart post his time, as I left somewhat early so it might be different.

[bart]

ok -> 15.49. (i guessed 15.5)

that was my first run. slight spin at launch and once i put it into 2nd.

2nd run was shit, spinned all the way through 1st and 2nd, got over 16, same thing happened in 3rd run, but it wasnt the tires slipping, except clutch, just went to redline and sat there, omg, so i didnt even bother. i guess i burned it up trying to warm the tires up alot in the water box that run. time to get something stronger :) (its still factory)

anyway, assuming i could have gotten more grip maybe .1 or .2 faster i could have been, oh well, we get the idea. now its time to get ready for some 'real' racing next year! enough with the 1/4 stuff :rolleyes:

here is the slip and enjoy your beers! :D

http://servfiles.com/4615/

[T-Dubbs]

not a bad run at all bart
:thumbsup:

[rage2]

haha only 3 people bet, and I win. Or wait, does Aleks win, $10 on being rained out? lol.

[Aleks]

Nah my rain comment was me being a smart ass...LOL

[Raz]

Next up, bart actually runs with some aftermarket parts and breaks 14s ;)

- Rasmus

[bart]

mmm temptation, i told myself no more engine mods though, but i said that a few times before too, and look what happens. maybe once i get bored of the speed, you never know. :burnout:

and i have to keep my MPG above 40 though with crazy fast city driving... so have to find the nice equilibrium. :bigpimp: trying to squeeze any more out would use much more fuel, and reliability would start to drop a bit faster. only a tdi folks! ahah

[Raz]

Well, it wouldn't use more fuel to free up your intake/exhaust a bit? And hell, it might free up some horsies, spool that turbo a hundred or two rpm earlier ... ?

that or a more efficient turbo?

- Rasmus

[bart]

well my intake and exhast are still all stock. actually the best intake for a tdi is the stock one, with the paper filter, just replace it every service. trust me.

next, the exhaust i can run a straight pipe all the way through to the end, that should easy up on the turbo and on diesels it actually doesnt really affect their sound like on a gas car. they would just sound a bit deeper.

so last question, -1s faster at sea level??

who knows, maybe i will do some more tweaks, and try to get 14.999 at race city next spring. ;) but that will probably be too hard without adding lots more hp. i started from 18's i think it was factory, then 17's, then mid 16's, then low 16's, then now mid 15's everytime i went and gauged the mods.

[Raz]

why would the best filter be a paper filter? Like any engine it needs to breathe, why would a big ass cone filter not be better? ;)

straight pipe out the back 2.5+ inner diameter would not be a bad idea :)

I think you can run a high 14 easy, lil more mod, lil more traction in 1st, maybe another lb of boost ;)

- Rasmus

[bart]

we'll see :D. running 22psi now, basically because thats what i hear a stock block can handle safely. turbo is good for 26. i guess i can crank it up for a few runs :D. never tried. compression is 19.5:1, so maybe going to 18 would be a safe bet, i dunno.

i need rage2 tuning!!!!! lol :rofl:

[Raz]

You're considering taking down compression? if anything you should up it :) My buddies TDI runs 22:1 with 19 psi of boost.

Brace the block?

;)


- Rasmus

[Penguin_Racecar]

running at sea level won't be that much faster, since it's a turbocharged car. Maybe .3 to .4 of a second?

[SilverBoost]

Originally posted by Penguin_Racecar
running at sea level won't be that much faster, since it's a turbocharged car. Maybe .3 to .4 of a second?

I disagree... it all depends on your tuning. I ran a 13.000 @ 108mph at sea level. Here I can't break into the 13's. That's more than a full second.

Falls on it's face in Calgary at the top of 4th for some reason.

And estimating a 1/4 mile based on HP is useless. I have 290whp @ 9psi and when I have the seats out my car weighs 2580 lbs.

[Raz]

thats alot of power for a light car, are you having traction issues or something else? you should be deep in 13s top of 12s with that sort of hp/weight ratio!

- Rasmus

[SilverBoost]

Its fully a tune issue. I don't think my SAFC is enough of a mangement system to tune at elevation??? Like I said, at sea level it's all good, but here it just won't work it seems. I am going to try to tune it once more when I get my gaskets replaced in my wastegate but right now it runs so rich I have to change my oil every 2000 kms because it starts to get to much fuel in it.

[Raz]

if its running super rich, why don't you just up the boost? ;)

- Rasmus

[403Gemini]

what the hell you have hooked up to your car bart?!

[bart]

what do you mean?

[Raz]

he means "what the hell have you hooked up to your car"


which of course makes no sense.. at all. :dunno:

wtf :)

- Rasmus

[theken]

my torque and power number were siilar in my probe i had 227lbs of torque and 145hp and i ran a 16.0:eek: so i dont know why didnt you do a quarter mile run on the dyno while you were on it??

[Raz]

40 ft/lbs of torque make a difference ...

But your probe should've been able to run 15s thoe, ish.

- Rasmus

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by bart
what do you mean?

what type of aftermarket? supercharged? turbo?

[Raz]

403Gemini: when Bart said earlier that it's ALL FACTORY, that might have been what he meant. Oh, and in case you did not know, his diesel golf (TDI) is turbo charged, part of the T D I is Turbo Diesel Injection.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

- Rasmus

[Sorath]

in calgary he will hit 15.7

[Raz]

Originally posted by Sorath
in calgary he will hit 15.7

Read a little deeper into the thread, he alread ran a 15.49 in calgary...

http://servfiles.com/4615/

[DJ Lazy]

:eek: That's a shitload of torque man!! :thumbsup: Congrats on the 15.49 (15.5 ;) ) :D

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by Raz
403Gemini: when Bart said earlier that it's ALL FACTORY, that might have been what he meant. Oh, and in case you did not know, his diesel golf (TDI) is turbo charged, part of the T D I is Turbo Diesel Injection.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

- Rasmus

yea but im a nuckah lol i posted the first time only seeing the first page and the dyno :D

thats effing impressive!

how did he squeeze that outta there? dont TDI's usually only come with like 160 torque and 90 hp or something?

[nismodrifter]

Originally posted by Raz
403Gemini: when Bart said earlier that it's ALL FACTORY, that might have been what he meant. Oh, and in case you did not know, his diesel golf (TDI) is turbo charged, part of the T D I is Turbo Diesel Injection.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

- Rasmus

TDI = Turbo Direct Injection