06 civic SI vs 05 rsx-s

[wtb]

So i went to yellowhead honda in edmonton and picked up a brochure for the coupe/si, salesman told me it would be 27500 mrsp, so basically 30 000 out the door. So the question is , what would you rather buy, a new 06 si or a used 04 or 05 type s for around the same price? There's already a lot of type-s's on the streets but i think the si's will outnumber the type-s soon.

...leather vs lsd..

[A790]

Si, no question. It's NEW, number one, and what the hell do you need leather for?

[90Tegra]

hmmm tough choice. i'd wait till the si's come and just see how they are.

[cujo_cjc]

I would personally take the 05 Type S
I think the minor updates to the RSX in 05 make it look cleaner and sleeker

So for me personally
05 RSX
+ i like the interior more
+ better looking exterior

[A2VR6]

I would take the SI...

more features + less price. (when new)

LSD <---- Leather in my opinion. But hell, they're pretty similar in most other aspects, so get the cheaper one.

[Aleks]

MSRP on the Si is $25,880 but you are right it's $29,9xx out the door. I still have to drive the Si but on paper it sounds good. If i were to chose it would be a tough choice. Rsx is faster, more power, nicer interior, leather, more upscale, better looks (subjective). But the Si is new and revs higher, LSD lower price (new). Try and test drive both and see what you think.

[wtb]

25 880? damn i guess yellowhead honda had it selling for 1600 over mrsp then, which is sick. Either way they only had 1 coming in , and its probably already sold by now. Salesman said that there would be 1800 for sale in canada this year. This doesn't sound right?

[max_boost]

Si because it's new and cooler :D I'm trading my RSX-S in for one :burnout:

[Aleks]

Originally posted by wtb
25 880? damn i guess yellowhead honda had it selling for 1600 over mrsp then, which is sick. Either way they only had 1 coming in , and its probably already sold by now. Salesman said that there would be 1800 for sale in canada this year. This doesn't sound right?

Maybe he included Pdi or freight in your price, because my quote came out to $29,9xx due to 1200 freight 1000 pdi + gst on top all that.

[GoChris]

Si!

[DelSoln]

I'd buy the Si. You can be one of the few to have one for a few months at least lol. Anyways trust me you don't want to deal with the thieves in either of our Acura dealerships.

[wtb]

decided on type-s , seeing that each dealer will only get 2 si per month

[4doorj]

either way good choice:thumbsup:

[teggypimp95]

Id say a type s for sure.

[PeDe]

Yeah the type-S is suber nice! Have you taken them out for a test drive yet. I hope you are planning on it cause it would be dumb to take what we are saying on here and just buy one. Test drive hard and fast!:burnout:

[JordanEG6]

I'd go for the new Si.its a bit cheaper isn't it? :dunno: LSD is alot more essential than leather IMO. Leather is for luxury, but LSD can be good in the winter time or down the strip hehe. The interior of the Si comes with recaro-esque style seats (black suede w/ red stitching) like the type R, which look and feel really nice. And I personally like the instrument cluster of the New Si also, its convenient how the speedo is stacked on top of the other guages so the driver wouldnt have to look down as much to watch his/her speed.

[Xtrema]

Havn't test drove Si but am pretty sure Si would be the better.

Si

Pro:
Cheap (before price guaging)
LSD
quieter engine

Con:
Dual dash
2900lbs



RSX-S

Pro:
Leather
Aftermarket parts availability
4 yr warranty instead of 3
1/2s faster to 100km/h
hatch

Con:
Cheap material used in interior
Almost $8K more than Civic for no practical reason.

[tawheed]

man I got close up to a new Si yesterday, not at a dealer, at a buddy's install shop.. it's freakin amazingly sweet.. feels and looks sooo solid.. i gotta drive one now...

-tawheed

[jdmakkord]

Originally posted by wtb
decided on type-s , seeing that each dealer will only get 2 si per month


Thats what they told us when my dad got his 99Si-R. Plus Electron blue pearl was "limited edition" and would not be seen on other cars. ummmm, I guess we fell for that, and within a month, I saw at least 30 of the same car, and lower models with the same color too.

[benyl]

yeah, the new Si is the RSX replacement. You will see as many Sis as you do RSXs in the next few years. There is no slated RSX replacement.

The Si and the RSXs weight the same. I think the Si is 30lbs more.

Power is the same (4hp) and the Si hits peak torque at lower RPM. Basically the same engine with a different tune. The bore and stroke are the same (same compression ratio). etc...

I would get the Si for the LSD. Get some nice aftermarket seats if you want leather.

[n1zm0]

RSX man, made in Japan, always buy a car with J in the beginning of the VIN # :D

[Mr_ET]

Bought an accord 06 at calgary honda on the weekend we cant drive the new si but they have a black one in the showroom.

as far as looks go i like the rsx better

everything else is better in the si though

seats are freaking awesome! huge brakes its NEW so you have all your warranty. 17's or 18's optional. 6spd lsd can't go wrong with that!

k20z3 is much stronger then the k20 in the rsx-s too

it's actually close to 197hp at the wheels...

go have a look at it!

[Bill Cosby]

a civic will always still be a civic,.. ide go for an rsx type s without a doubt.. im not hating on civics in the least i would just rather a type s than an si

[dj_honda]

Originally posted by Xtrema


Pro:

quieter engine


Seeing as they had a whole team develop the tuned exhaust system that came on the car, are you sure about that? I think at anything over 3000 rpms or whatever, the Si is much louder....from what I have seen on videos. Or did you mean something else by quieter engine? (I assumed you mean the exhaust note...)

I would take a Black or White Si.

[3g4me]

Type s in a second. I presonally dont like civics at all.

[benyl]

You all know that the RSX is a Civic with different skin, right?

[rc2002]

All this Civic si hype reminds me of the XBOX 360. I feel bad for all the people who shell out a premium for it now, when they'll be able to get it for a considerable discount in a couple of months.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by richardchan2002
All this Civic si hype reminds me of the XBOX 360. I feel bad for all the people who shell out a premium for it now, when they'll be able to get it for a considerable discount in a couple of months.

No doubt. I think I'll wait and save a few grand. Also those financing rates are crazy. They as well will come down later next year.

[3g4me]

Originally posted by benyl
You all know that the RSX is a Civic with different skin, right?

i wouldnt buy niether if it came down to it, but if i had to choose i would get the rsx over the civic, just because the rsx is the more luxurious of the two and looks way better IMO.

[heavyD]

I'd take the Civic because you get the same engine on an updated platform, plus LSD for less money. IMO Civic Si looks much better also. I've never warmed up to the looks of the RSX and conisder it a letdown as the successor to the Integra. Integra stood out from all of Honda's cars looks-wise and had a certain charm that the RSX never captured as it looks like an Acura with its blend-in-with-the-crowd styling. Sales also tell the story and the RSX didn't sell near as well as the Integra.

Good cloth seats > leather IMO

[dkny_stylez]

neither, both will be too common:thumbsdow

[3g4me]

Ya the integra was a much better car IMO then the rsx, i would actually buy an integra if they still made them New.

[andyfatsax]

I would probably go for the SI, but they will be about the same price in the end if you are financing... Someone mentioned the SI has a stonger engine then the Type S??? Care to clarify?

[andyfatsax]

No? OK let me.

"For the '06 Si, the motor is labeled K20Z3 and sets itself apart from the K20Z1 ('05-'06 RSX Type S) with its balancer shaft, drive by wire throttle, and electric power steering system (EPS). In keeping with Honda's recent adherance to the latest revision to the SAE's J1349 standard, this motor has been rated at 197hp and 139lb-ft of torque, just shy of the announced 200hp.

This compares favorably to the RSX Type S' K20Z1, which is now rated at 201hp and 140lb-ft. The difference in output between the K20Z1 and K20Z3 is said to be mostly related to the additional inertial mass of the K20Z3's balancer shaft, with some of that loss offset by the gain of the EPS."

[wtb]

and the looks too, personally, now that i take a closer look, I think the civic's side profile is well...pretty ugly. The front and back is all good tho.

[asis]

Si...its got a LSD. Every Honda owner always wanted one! If your thinking of any kind of motorsports racing. Then the Si is the winner!

If you want to be different do a EG/EK/DC with a K20A! Cheaper and faster!

[HiSpec]

i thought the new Si is less then 0.5s slower then the RSX-S in 0-60mph??

oh another thing i heard about the new gauges, is that with polarized sunglasses, people have hard time looking at the gauge, because the polarization will filter out the LCD.

[Aleks]

0-60 times don't mean as much anymore. Si needs a 2-3 shift to hit 60mph whereas the RSX can hit that at the top of 2nd gear. Quarter mile times is a better way to compare.

[cujo_cjc]

The 05 rsx actually has to shift to 3rd to hit 60 mph too.
The 1/4 mile for it is 14.9 i think? :dunno:

[mikestypes]

Originally posted by Aleks
0-60 times don't mean as much anymore. Si needs a 2-3 shift to hit 60mph whereas the RSX can hit that at the top of 2nd gear. Quarter mile times is a better way to compare.

Same gearing (aside from 6th gear), same tire size and same redline in both cars means they both have to shift to 3rd for 60mph.

I like my RSX, but I would say that the Civic is a step up for various engineering and technical reasons. Aside form that, I think the RSX looks better and will be slightly faster stock.

In the end, if you can get an Si for MSRP right now, get it over the RSX.

[Aleks]

I read in many tests that type S was able to hit 60mph in second gear. Type S is about .5 seconds faster to 60 mph in all tests yet only .1-.2s quicker in the quarter. To me that .5s means an extra shift :dunno: How else do you explain a low 6s to a hi 6s 0-60 other than weight which is not that different?

[RWD]

the car is a limited production.. the guy showed me the sales data and he told me his dealership only had a blue one and red one but sold.. mine is coming in during february. its around 25 xxx msrp but pickin up wil be around 27-28

[andyfatsax]

28k seems like good value for the SI. I always thought that is what the RSX type S should have been selling for :(

[dresden_k]

I'll be a hijacker.

While you guys are in your shiny, nice new cars, I'll be fifty car lengths behind in my Yaris or fifty car lengths ahead on my bike. I'll get both for less that you're paying for your one car.

Yeah, I'm a postwhore.:clap: :poosie:

[tapout]

Originally posted by dresden_k
I'll be a hijacker.

While you guys are in your shiny, nice new cars, I'll be fifty car lengths behind in my Yaris or fifty car lengths ahead on my bike. I'll get both for less that you're paying for your one car.

Yeah, I'm a postwhore.:clap: :poosie: :drama:

[RWD]

27500 msrp!?!?! i went to millwoods and it was cheaper than than that... around 25xxx msrp but i already bought the one coming in february. FIRST black one to hit the city.




Originally posted by wtb
So i went to yellowhead honda in edmonton and picked up a brochure for the coupe/si, salesman told me it would be 27500 mrsp, so basically 30 000 out the door. So the question is , what would you rather buy, a new 06 si or a used 04 or 05 type s for around the same price? There's already a lot of type-s's on the streets but i think the si's will outnumber the type-s soon.

...leather vs lsd..

[pinoyhero]

I'm all about buying used. I think there are far better value propositions out there for 30K, that will depriciate not nearly as fast. Look at the used car market and what you can get for 29-32K...

Honda: '00-'02 s2000
Acura: '04-'05 RSX-s, '03-'05 TSX, '03 TL
Lexus: '02-'03 IS300
Nissan: '03 350z (my personal favorite in terms of bang for your buck)

[RWD]

thats true.. pretty much the moment u take a new car off the lot you would lose 4 grand

[pinoyhero]

I agree with the 4 grand loss, but I believe in some cases its much more. Right off the bat you loose the GST so in the case of a 30,0000 car your looking at 2100. In terms of longer term depriciation I think you're taking a further hit. For instance I think if you were to buy the 350z three years from now you're probaly looking at selling it for 24,500ish. A 3 year old civic I doubt could fetch that type of cash.

[Calgarian]

Unfortunately Alberta will never see enough of the Civic SI at least in 2006. As the New Car Sales Manager at the largest Honda shop in Canada which is only getting approx 3 per month, I can l honestly tell you talk is cheap. If you're serious about being one of the lucky owners you had better stop debating the virtues of a RSX and get your name on the list. This car will only become more expensive.

[Calgarian]

Unfortunately Alberta will never see enough of the Civic SI at least in 2006. As the New Car Sales Manager at the largest Honda shop in Canada which is only getting approx 3 per month, I can l honestly tell you talk is cheap. If you're serious about being one of the lucky owners you had better stop debating the virtues of a RSX and get your name on the list. This car will only become more expensive.

[pinoyhero]

Hehe, sounds like that guy thinks cars appriciate in value. I agree that they can if there's a good enough market out there for rare cars, like maybe the first s2000, GT40 ect. but we're talking civics here.

[Calgarian]

Nope I don't think cars appreciate. Here's what I know. As Of Jan 3rd Honda Canada raised the price of all civics save the SI. Needless to say the SI wil also increase in price before long.

[3g4me]

Originally posted by RWD
27500 msrp!?!?! i went to millwoods and it was cheaper than than that... around 25xxx msrp but i already bought the one coming in february. FIRST black one to hit the city.






Ya for like 1 week.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Calgarian
Unfortunately Alberta will never see enough of the Civic SI at least in 2006. As the New Car Sales Manager at the largest Honda shop in Canada which is only getting approx 3 per month, I can l honestly tell you talk is cheap. If you're serious about being one of the lucky owners you had better stop debating the virtues of a RSX and get your name on the list. This car will only become more expensive.

Meh. I would wait until the 2007-2008 model years anyway. Let Honda sort out the little bugs & nuances. The best years of any car to buy are the last half of the car's lifespan.

[HRD2PLZ]

$30K for a Civic just seems unreal to me... :dunno:

[wtb]

ya, by this summer i can see the 03 g35/350z being around 30-33ish for a decent one, and even a decent 04 sti, so im just gonna hold onto my car, probably get around 20k for it, and get a 10ish loan :D , fuck si!

[GQNammer]

Bumping up a dead thread.

I just put money down on a new SI a few days ago. The tag on it is 27,450 which includes everything except gst.

I just hope it's not a let down. I don't get the car until late March.

[Aleks]

Congrats!

Did you get to drive one at least?

If you dont mind me asking if you financed what was your rate thru Honda?

[andyfatsax]

thats a lot cheaper then the rsx....f the SI LOL

Although my finance was 2.9%, beat that...Holla!

[GQNammer]

Originally posted by Aleks
Congrats!

Did you get to drive one at least?

If you dont mind me asking if you financed what was your rate thru Honda?


No, i didn't test drive one. There are NONE in calgary, and the ones that are coming in the next shipment are mostly sold. When the car gets in, I get 1st dibs on the available one. Just had to put a deposit down. So if I don't like it after the test drive, they will give my deposit back.

And as for financing rates, I believe it is something like 6.9%
I'm putting 9k down and my payments will be just a tad lower than 500/month for 48 months. So it basically works out to 32-33k in the end.

[andyfatsax]

Yeah that basically works out to be the same price as my 05 type-s. The final dollar value is higher but it is about the same due to finance rate. Good deal, looks like the SI is hard to get!