Street racing in the news

[barbarian]

Cabbie killed by racing Mercedes (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Render&c=Article&cid=1138229413532&call_pageid=968332188492)

Tahir Khan had just dropped off his last fare and was headed south on Mount Pleasant Rd. It was 10:20 p.m.

Racing north were two Mercedes driven by 18-year-olds, each pushing 140 km/h in a 50 km/h zone, police say. Next to one driver was the popular video game Need For Speed.

As the Mercedes rounded a bend, the taxi made a left turn on to Whitehall Rd. A loud crash shattered the still of Tuesday night.
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[Z24_3.1.]

HOLY FUCK I THINK I KNOW THIS GUY MAN SHIT I HAVE TO CALL MY BUDDY RIGHT NOW I THINK THATS HIS DAD

[finboy]

that sucks

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Outside the courtroom where the two teens made a brief appearance at bail court in College Park yesterday, the aunt of one described them as "really good boys."

"It's tragic, it's horrible what happened. Now I am going to be worried about him staying in jail with criminals."


Boo hoo. They're criminals, too, lady. Now they'll get to hang out with other criminals for a while.

[liquidboi69]

yikes =\

[Fez_turbo]

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[Blue Devil 2]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat



Boo hoo. They're criminals, too, lady. Now they'll get to hang out with other criminals for a while.

No doubt hey, what a dumb thing for her to say.

[jizzajames]

they shouldnt blame it on video games.. it's just a way out

"ya i just played nfsu and i crashed though a building over a bus doing 180... let's go try it out man.."

it's too bad this happens.. and it will happen more which is the sad part.

[Mr_John]

they should be setenced hard and spend some time in jail
they took away a life for their stupidity
what were they thinking, university students should have more sense than that
there own problem

blaming the video game is just totally absurd

[88CRX]

Blaming it on a video game :rolleyes:

People need to get real. Unfucking beleivable :thumbsdow

[lastprodigy]

if he turned left wouldnt that make it his fault :confused:

[3G]

Originally posted by Z24_3.1.
HOLY FUCK I THINK I KNOW THIS GUY MAN SHIT I HAVE TO CALL MY BUDDY RIGHT NOW I THINK THATS HIS DAD

i dont think it was in calgary and the guys wife is still in pakistan

[handsomebassman]

sadly, this reminds me of a certain induvidual on this board.:thumbsdow

[Fez_turbo]

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[robpark]

It does not matter how many video games they play, if your kid knows right from wrong, no amount can make them do stupid things. It is a cop-out for bad parenting. If you honestly think that playing video games can affect your children, you shouldn't be allowing them to play it in the first place.

[Fusion]

Originally posted by lastprodigy
if he turned left wouldnt that make it his fault :confused:

140 km/h in a 50 km/h zone What do you think?

[Roger Moore]

Daddy will be kicking himself for lending his car out...

[lastprodigy]

Originally posted by Fusion


140 km/h in a 50 km/h zone What do you think?

if you are speeding through a light going 140 and somone turns left ahead of you its still their fault....

[Fez_turbo]

if a trains comming and you run infront of it thinking you can get accross and it kills you...does that make it the trains fault?????

[Fusion]

Originally posted by lastprodigy


if you are speeding through a light going 140 and somone turns left ahead of you its still their fault....
Yeah tell it to the judge. No matter what. if they can prove ur speeding. 100% is ur fault

[BlueFrenzy]

This is just stupidity on the kid's part.

I like how on the news, the video game producers' association immediately put out a statement on how it's not the games fault (which it isn't), because they knew the media and some die-hard anti-video game groups would jump on the game.

EA (I think) put out a statement saying that their product is an ENTERTAINMENT product, not a training video of sorts. Heck, if video games were training or exerted tremendous ... we'd have a bunch of SOCOM wannabes running around shooting people. Doesn't happen!

[Fusion]

Originally posted by Fez_turbo
if a trains comming and you run infront of it thinking you can get accross and it kills you...does that make it the trains fault?????
The train is diffrent story. This is street racing. and you should know Vancouver , Toronto lots of people against street racing. When that guy go to court u think he gonna win?

[Fez_turbo]

^^

it still involves someone unaxamining the situation properly, making the wrong decision and, and running(or driving) infront of a disaster waiting to happen.

who knows maybe the taxi driver was in a hurry and thought he could make it accross before they come. that makes him more responsible cause it could have been avoidable had he been more patient. even if the guy was doing the speed limit i bet he would have still tried to get ahead of him and beat him to the turn.
that is one possible situation, and most cab drivers drive really fast and are often in a hurry.

[Fez_turbo]

^^^

again this is just my opinion and both guys are at fault but the cab driver turning had more control over the situation. he could have waited an extra second. plus the one speeding, if he slammed on his brakes, would that not make him spin and hit the guy who he was racing with....

all in all the cab driver had more control to make the better decision.

[brandon]

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[Fusion]

Originally posted by Fez_turbo
^^

it still involves someone unaxamining the situation properly, making the wrong decision and, and running(or driving) infront of a disaster waiting to happen.

who knows maybe the taxi driver was in a hurry and thought he could make it accross before they come. that makes him more responsible cause it could have been avoidable had he been more patient. even if the guy was doing the speed limit i bet he would have still tried to get ahead of him and beat him to the turn.
that is one possible situation, and most cab drivers drive really fast and are often in a hurry.

Yeah with the speed limit .The guy would have chance to survive

[Fez_turbo]

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[Fez_turbo]

^^^

if you see someone speeding you dont get in their way and get killed to stop them and harm possibly other lives..

you try to signal to him or call the police and do a domestic report.. dont jump infront of them.

[handsomebassman]

Originally posted by brandon


k seriously your a fucking homo.

what?

[Fez_turbo]

Originally posted by brandon


k seriously your a fucking homo.

not necessary:dunno:

[brandon]

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[Fez_turbo]

^^^

relax man.

[brandon]

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[Fez_turbo]

^^^

i think we all know what its about...

by the way how is mike doing?

[GC84ever]

Street racing is stupid and those kids deserve what they get.

They just help make things worse for us responsible car enthusiasts.

[infected]

How is it 50/50? Are they gonna get out and exchange information? The guy's fucking dead.

[Altezza]

Nowhere is it stated that the Taxi driver made an illegal left turn. He could have had the right of way while performing the left turn.

[Fez_turbo]

Originally posted by infected
How is it 50/50? Are they gonna get out and exchange information? The guy's fucking dead.

what? it just means the accused gets a less severe punishment. cause it was only partly his fault.

[retro-steve]

Originally posted by Altezza
Nowhere is it stated that the Taxi driver made an illegal left turn. He could have had the right of way while performing the left turn.

i know that stretch of road...mt pleasant road is similar to Elbow Drive here in calgary...4 lanes, 50km/h, lots of side streets/major streets coming off it. unless these guys ran a light this cabbie was coming from a stop sign for him and the racers would have had the right of way (had they not been racing)

[Fez_turbo]

Originally posted by Altezza
Nowhere is it stated that the Taxi driver made an illegal left turn. He could have had the right of way while performing the left turn.

to make a left turn you usually have to cross over another road usually going the oposite direction. the only way that is pausible is that if it was at a four way stop...but i dont recall there being a four way stop on mt.pleasant.

[Fez_turbo]

sorry to highjack the thread retro-steve you got a hilarious sig...

:rofl: :rofl:

[retro-steve]

Originally posted by Fez_turbo


to make a left turn you usually have to cross over another road usually going the oposite direction. the only way that is pausible is that if it was at a four way stop...but i dont recall there being a four way stop on mt.pleasant.


i just read in the article that it's at whitehall road and mt pleasant...from what i remember whitehall is just a small road entering into a community near david balfour(sp?) park. i don't remember lights there, and i'm guessing if there was they would have mentioned the racer's running a red light if this was the case.

[retro-steve]

Originally posted by Fez_turbo
sorry to highjack the thread retro-steve you got a hilarious sig...

:rofl: :rofl:

who can argue with a cute bunny?


....besides jesus

[Fez_turbo]

Originally posted by retro-steve



i just read in the article that it's at whitehall road and mt pleasant...from what i remember whitehall is just a small road entering into a community near david balfour(sp?) park. i don't remember lights there, and i'm guessing if there was they would have mentioned the racer's running a red light if this was the case.

but then again they would have mentioned the boyz running through a stop sign.....its hard to tell unless you have all the precise detail and a clip of what happened.

[handsomebassman]

Originally posted by GC84ever
Street racing is stupid and those kids deserve what they get.

They just help make things worse for us responsible car enthusiasts.

:werd:
It did take me a while to realize that i was one of those stupid kids a while back, until i got a "wakeup call" and learned to save it for the track, and just enjoy the machine responsibly on the public pavement.

*sorry to kindof hijack the thread there for a moment

[sexualbanana]

Originally posted by Fez_turbo
^^^

so he wasnt following the speed limit he is absolutely wrong for that but even in the worst circumstances you still try to find away out.

what im saying is given the circumstances they were in, only the taxi driver had the chance to stop it all......and he definately stopped it but the wrong way.

But also the drivers could've prevented it too by not racing. It works both ways. Sure the cabbie may have made a bad decision to turn at that point. But had the 2 guys not been racing, it wouldn't have been close at all.

[retro-steve]

Originally posted by Fez_turbo


but then again they would have mentioned the boyz running through a stop sign.....its hard to tell unless you have all the precise detail and a clip of what happened.

well i know it's not an uncontrolled intersection, i've been to that area a lot actually, i just can't remember if there's lights or not. if there's lights, the cabbie may have run a red, if there's a stop sign, it would have only been for a cabbie and if you know anything about toronto cabbies they make calgary drivers look safe

[infected]

Originally posted by Fez_turbo


what? it just means the accused gets a less severe punishment. cause it was only partly his fault.

Even if it's a less severe punishment they'd still be in there for at least four years. Also judging by what's going on these guys most likely grew up in a wealthy environment, they're not gonna last four years. (which is good) :devil:

[Z24_3.1.]

the guy that i bought the dsm off of this is his uncle

[Fez_turbo]

Originally posted by sexualbanana


But also the drivers could've prevented it too by not racing. It works both ways. Sure the cabbie may have made a bad decision to turn at that point. But had the 2 guys not been racing, it wouldn't have been close at all.

you cant keep saying if, if, if.. the world would not go anywhere. cause youd be saying if only the terrorists didnt get weapons of mass destruction. if only we didnt create gun powder, if only guns didnt exist, if only i didnt spend money at the casino (get my drift)

it happened and what should have been done. SINCE they were racing the cabbie should have tried to avoid it given the present circumstances.

[infected]

Originally posted by Fez_turbo


you cant keep saying if, if, if.. the world would not go anywhere. cause youd be saying if only the terrorists didnt get weapons of mass destruction. if only we didnt create gun powder, if only guns didnt exist, if only i didnt spend money at the casino (get my drift)

it happened and what should have been done. SINCE they were racing the cabbie should have tried to avoid it given the present circumstances.

You're just saying the whole thing could have been avoided "IF" the cabbie waited for the racers to go by first.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by Z24_3.1.
the guy that i bought the dsm off of this is his uncle


Shit, small world.

[YamaLube]

Originally posted by infected


You're just saying the whole thing could have been avoided "IF" the cabbie waited for the racers to go by first.

Lets think about this, you see two cars driving towards you on a 50km/hr road, they are several hundred meters away, you figure you have 5 seconds to cross the road and make your left turn, sounds pretty safe right.

Well if they are going twice or three times the speed limit then you only have 2.5 or 1.6 seconds to make the same turn. How can you blame the cab driver without the facts. A safe left turn can suddenly turn into the last two seconds of your life when irresponsible punks ignore speed limits.

:thumbsdow to all you justifying the senseless death

[Mr. Burns]

Originally posted by YamaLube

:thumbsdow to all you justifying the senseless death

:werd: Those kids deserve way more punishment than they are going to get.

[Sorath]

Originally posted by YamaLube


Lets think about this, you see two cars driving towards you on a 50km/hr road, they are several hundred meters away, you figure you have 5 seconds to cross the road and make your left turn, sounds pretty safe right.

Well if they are going twice or three times the speed limit then you only have 2.5 or 1.6 seconds to make the same turn. How can you blame the cab driver without the facts. A safe left turn can suddenly turn into the last two seconds of your life when irresponsible punks ignore speed limits.

:thumbsdow to all you justifying the senseless death

i think u can see if they are going 50km/h or not.......

not that im defending the racers.... it takes 2 to tango

[alloroc]

With traffic coming up at 140! You can begin your turn with no one in sight and by the time you get 1/2 way through you are dead. Even if he completed his turn and was headed in the same direction, he would have been rear ended and probably killed anyway.

140 in a 50 is just plain idiocy, hell 140 on any public road ... is plain idiocy.

and before anyone else can say it yes I have gone that fast and no i'm not proud of it .. but never in a 50 zone, and especially never in anyone else's car that I am infamiliar with.

[handsomebassman]

Originally posted by alloroc
With traffic coming up at 140! You can begin your turn with no one in sight and by the time you get 1/2 way through you are dead. Even if he completed his turn and was headed in the same direction, he would have been rear ended and probably killed anyway.

140 in a 50 is just plain idiocy, hell 140 on any public road ... is plain idiocy.

and before anyone else can say it yes I have gone that fast and no i'm not proud of it .. but never in a 50 zone, and especially never in anyone else's car that I am infamiliar with.

:werd:

I completely agree. Its hard enough to guage other people's speed at nightime, so we have to trust that everyone is abiding by the law. I wouldnt place my blame on the cabby.

Those kids didnt play by the rules, and now they are going to pay the price i hope. There are private tracks for a reason.

[TurboZombie]

Originally posted by Fez_turbo
^^^

again this is just my opinion and both guys are at fault but the cab driver turning had more control over the situation. he could have waited an extra second. plus the one speeding, if he slammed on his brakes, would that not make him spin and hit the guy who he was racing with....

all in all the cab driver had more control to make the better decision.


The driver speeding would not spin and hit the other guy since the car more than likley has Antilock brakes thus the braking would be straight with no locking wheels.

[Fez_turbo]

Originally posted by Sorath


i think u can see if they are going 50km/h or not.......

not that im defending the racers.... it takes 2 to tango


:werd:, initially the boys are completely to blame for speeding and not following the rules of the road, but IF the cab driver did see them and thought he could make it then it is partially his fault too. I guess we will never know.


...and z24, im sorry to hear about that my deepest condolences (if you knew them very personally or even just friends)

[dj_honda]

Originally posted by alloroc
With traffic coming up at 140! You can begin your turn with no one in sight and by the time you get 1/2 way through you are dead.

Coupled with the fact it says they were rounding a bend, this is precisely why the kids are at fault.

The road was probably clear from what the cabbie could see around the bend, and was safe for a 50km/h limit, he started making the turn and what do you know, paul walker and dominic toretto come speeding down the bend.

RIP. sad story :(

[barbarian]

Originally posted by dj_honda


Coupled with the fact it says they were rounding a bend, this is precisely why the kids are at fault.

The road was probably clear from what the cabbie could see around the bend, and was safe for a 50km/h limit, he started making the turn and what do you know, paul walker and dominic toretto come speeding down the bend.

RIP. sad story :(

Exactly. A 50 km/h road is not designed for people being able to turn onto it when people are racing down it at 140. If you look at even a highway intersection, even on an 80 km/h road there is typically at least 500 m of visibility in each direction. Residental streets are more likely to have 100 m visiblity.

[90Tegra]

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050531-015/page.asp

"Police in all the G.T.A. cities, along with Barrie, South Simcoe, Guelph, Ottawa, London and Waterloo have been given special powers to seize and impound cars that have been specially modified for speed.":rolleyes:

mean while, there's ppl getting shot up on younge st. in broad daylight while shopping.

it did look like a cruise vid...and they make it seem like street racing is a new problem....but its been around since ppl started tinkering with cars way back to your parents age they will never be able to stop it all together...and they will get crazy with there power to stop you integra for having an over sized muffler...and some flashy rims..its stupid...and thats an excellent point..i got pulled over in my neon once when i had a fart can muffler on it..and three harleys drove by and they were fuckin insane loud...i just looked at him while he was bitchin at me i couldnt even hear him...i lost it on him he said that harleys come stock that loud....it was stupid..
but in the end keep it on the tracks boys and girls

[SilverBoost]

I can't even believe people are debating fault here? :dunno:

The kids were racing.... their risk, their fault, no matter what. You take the risk, you pay the price. Unfortunately it came at a huge cost of a life that had no choice in the matter. Stupid decisions.

And about blaming a video game..... man, I'm so sick of that shit. What were they blaming 15-20-30 years ago when people street raced? I wonder sometimes if this whole world is on crack. Common sense is dead I guess.

[Hakkola]

Originally posted by 90Tegra
http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050531-015/page.asp

"Police in all the G.T.A. cities, along with Barrie, South Simcoe, Guelph, Ottawa, London and Waterloo have been given special powers to seize and impound cars that have been specially modified for speed.":rolleyes:



It's funny, cuz I bet the Mercedes' were stock. :rofl: