Camaro = holy mother of god!!!

[Grip172]

holy jesus

660 Hp at the wheel

Amazing 69 Camaro SS (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-RS-SS-X22-RESTORED-1969-CHEVY-CAMARO-X22-RS-SS-SUPER-CHARGED_W0QQitemZ4619837895QQcategoryZ6161QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

http://www.lakewaymotors.com/69redrsss/gallery.jpg

[Mr.Burns]

nice, but

this supra has 733 @ the wheel :drool:
except the front body kit is pretty lame.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1997-Supra-HKS-twin-turbo-supercar-not-wrx-viper-nsx-rx_W0QQitemZ4619143639QQcategoryZ6447QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[BerserkerCatSplat]

SS > Supra

[Mr.Burns]

ss= ?

[JAYMEZ]

That camaro is sweet...

But for the two argueing...


1400RWHP Supra
http://www.wotm.com/rywo98qu.html

:D

[AllGoNoShow]

SS = Super Sport, Camaro SS = whole thread.


Sexy :drool:

[Sharpie]

Originally posted by JAYMEZ_STi
That camaro is sweet...

But for the two argueing...


1400RWHP Supra
http://www.wotm.com/rywo98qu.html

:D
pfft SS pwns all..:D

[Ford]

Yeah that may be true but you cant beat the feeling of the v8
's torque


Originally posted by JAYMEZ_STi
That camaro is sweet...

But for the two argueing...


1400RWHP Supra
http://www.wotm.com/rywo98qu.html

:D

[luv2xler8]

:werd:

[D. Dub]

Originally posted by JAYMEZ_STi
That camaro is sweet...

But for the two argueing...


1400RWHP Supra
http://www.wotm.com/rywo98qu.html

:D


Yeah but the Camaro is cool.

The Supra is an appliance :D

[ZedMan]

Dude, look at that laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag :eek:

plus it never mentions whether that's on pump gas or C16, while the camaro is most likely on pump gas. Not to mention $80 000 :eek: in mods alone.

On the other hand, I don't really care for centrifugal superchargers :thumbsdow

[jdmakkord]

Way to compare a nice old school muscle car, to a Japanese tuner car. Apples vs Oranges here.

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by jdmakkord
Way to compare a nice old school muscle car, to a Japanese tuner car. Apples vs Oranges here.

true

and ben's famous quote "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races" ;)

[dieselpower91]

He's only running 9lbs of boost.
I'm sure with another pulley it could be tuned to over 700hp with more boost.

He should be able to make more power than that with a 496 BB
I plan to make a little under that number with the 377 Small block Procharged combo I'm planning. Still being streetable and running on pump gas.

[arian_ma]

Is it just me being dumb, or do I see a turbo and a supercharger under that hood?
Procharged automatic SS? Why! :cry:


Edit: Nope just me being dumb, that was the alternator lol

[pinoyhero]

Wow, both camaro and supra very nice

[Goblin]

Camaro > Supra

I like that quote ^

[Sorath]

"hey mister, i can up the boost up u cant add more cylinders"

:rofl:

[Grip172]

haha weird..my two favorite cars since i was little..the supra and the 1st generatoin camaros

and i wasn't ONLY putting pu that camaro because of its HP..i posted it because its well done and looks incredibly sexy

that is such a hard questoin tho

would i rather have a camaro or supra...hmm. i think i'd have to go with the camaro

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by 403Gemini


true

and ben's famous quote "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races" ;)

It was originally Carrol Shelby that said that. :poosie:

[CryoCarnage]

Originally posted by 403Gemini


true

and ben's famous quote "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races" ;)
that supra has more torque then that SS. supra > camaro.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by CryoCarnage

that supra has more torque then that SS. supra > camaro.

Does it really? And at what RPM?

[cman]

Originally posted by ZedMan
Dude, look at that laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag :eek:

plus it never mentions whether that's on pump gas or C16, while the camaro is most likely on pump gas. Not to mention $80 000 :eek: in mods alone.

On the other hand, I don't really care for centrifugal superchargers :thumbsdow

On pump gas my supra makes 593 wheel horse power.

Originally posted by CryoCarnage

that supra has more torque then that SS. supra > camaro.
:zzz: I'll belive it when I see it.
SS>Supra

[b_t]

Originally posted by CryoCarnage

that supra has more torque then that SS. supra > camaro.

you fucking moron. at the point where the camaro is probably making over 500lb-ft of torque, probably around 2,500rpm, the supra is probably pushing a whopping 200. it might make more, but not until the camaro has already redlined and is in second gear. 600whp camaros are enough to run low 10s, a 600whp supra is lucky to run high 11s.

[SilverBoost]

Originally posted by b_t


a 600whp supra is lucky to run high 11s.

you're kidding right? I have a video on a DVD of a 650whp supra running high 9's.

[joyridder]

:drool: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
Wow very hot car..

[b_t]

Originally posted by SilverBoost


you're kidding right? I have a video on a DVD of a 650whp supra running high 9's.

on slicks, I would guess. I'm talking street tires. plus, the Camaro weighs about 500 pounds less then a Supra, with an all-iron smallblock anyway, the big block is probably still 350 pounds lighter.. a Supra will get destroyed by any Camaro with the same peak horsepower.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by b_t


on slicks, I would guess. I'm talking street tires. plus, the Camaro weighs about 500 pounds less then a Supra, with an all-iron smallblock anyway, the big block is probably still 350 pounds lighter.. a Supra will get destroyed by any Camaro with the same peak horsepower.

Not to mention that a N/A V8 Camaro will have way more low-end torque than a turbo I6 Supra...

[pressure_ratio]

Originally posted by b_t


on slicks, I would guess. I'm talking street tires. plus, the Camaro weighs about 500 pounds less then a Supra, with an all-iron smallblock anyway, the big block is probably still 350 pounds lighter.. a Supra will get destroyed by any Camaro with the same peak horsepower.

You don't run 9 second passes on radials man!

That Camaro would have serious traction issues anyway,the poor monoleaf springs on those cars were brutal for traction .

The Camaro is a nice clean car,and a classic but 600rwhp out of a blown 496 isn't really anything to get excited about.And if you go to a show or meet Camaro's are a dime a dozen.
Personally I'd go with a Supra.At least you could actually drive it around any given day without getting a headache,in comfort with the A/C on and still have reasonable drivability and mileage.

[403Gemini]

WHO CARES

both cars are nice :)

[SilverBoost]

Originally posted by b_t


on slicks, I would guess. I'm talking street tires. plus, the Camaro weighs about 500 pounds less then a Supra, with an all-iron smallblock anyway, the big block is probably still 350 pounds lighter.. a Supra will get destroyed by any Camaro with the same peak horsepower.

wasn't debating that anyway, just the time of a 600whp supra.

doens't really matter anyhow... you can debate what car will beat what based on numbers all day long. Doesn't really mean much in real life.

anyway, camaro is hot either way. You can't beat the sound of old school muscle. :)

[TurboZombie]

How about this Trans Am...

:thumbsup:

[SilverBoost]

I alwasy wondered how long it would take to put a beak on a fire chicken.

Pontiac has always been CHEVs ugly cousin. I know they're just conceptual at this point, but the New Camaro is a lot nicer to look at than the new Firebird IMO.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Y'know, this thread could have turned into yet another import vs domestic flamewar, and yet, it didn't. Maybe Beyond is maturing, after all...


So, Camaro = the hotness

Supra = 800HP on stock internals? Sign me up! :D

[Rockski]

Originally posted by SilverBoost
I alwasy wondered how long it would take to put a beak on a fire chicken.

Pontiac has always been CHEVs ugly cousin. I know they're just conceptual at this point, but the New Camaro is a lot nicer to look at than the new Firebird IMO.

id still pick THAT ugly cousin over the new camaro anyday:drool:

[CryoCarnage]

Originally posted by b_t


you fucking moron. at the point where the camaro is probably making over 500lb-ft of torque, probably around 2,500rpm, the supra is probably pushing a whopping 200. it might make more, but not until the camaro has already redlined and is in second gear. 600whp camaros are enough to run low 10s, a 600whp supra is lucky to run high 11s.
now now wont posts like this get you banned again? and you cant really say the supra is only making 200 there. even big turbo supras get low end power at around 2500 and thats with huge fucking turbos.

[pressure_ratio]

Originally posted by TurboZombie
How about this Trans Am...

:thumbsup:

:barf:
That is one nasty looking car,at first glance it looked like a Dodge Charger with a new nose on it!
What is it with domestic car manufacturers?Again,another un original design that copies a now classic they built 30-40 years ago.Why can't they keep with the theme of a classic or heritage but create somthing new and original?

[w3apon]

Originally posted by arian_ma
Procharged automatic SS? Why! :cry:

Stall + shift Kit > Standard

[b_t]

Originally posted by CryoCarnage

now now wont posts like this get you banned again? and you cant really say the supra is only making 200 there. even big turbo supras get low end power at around 2500 and thats with huge fucking turbos.

Facts never got anyone banned... the problem here is I've got numbers on my side... a 3 liter with a gigantic turbo will never make as much torque as a 6.5 liter V8, even without a supercharger.. and against a boosted V8, there is just no chance for the Supra.

Here is a dyno chart of a 630whp Supra.
http://to4r.com/media/swilson_dyno.jpg
It doesn't make more then 200lb-ft of torque until 3500rpm and doesn't make its peak torque until 4750...
more charts showing basically the same thing in case you think I just took the one that supports what I am saying here
http://www.boostaholic.com/supra/index.html
or go here and check off as many boxes as you like, none of these cars even using mega-buck turbos (T04R, T88s, GT42s...) make any power before 3500rpm
http://dyno.to4r.com/graph.php
the 1000whp+ Supras make less then 300whp until around 4600rpm. You can chart a twin turbo V8 on there (440whp at 3500rpm) or a tuned up V10 viper (just under 600whp at 3500rpm) if you want to compare.

Now compare it to a 396ci big block just on the motor, this one is only 380whp...
http://www.azsupersport.com/images/4drhtrddyno.jpg
doesn't even start logging until 2500rpm but he's already making 430lb-ft of torque.

You've got no argument here - you just got served by a google search. As the rumor goes, even Nissan is ditching boosted 6 cylinders for a V8 in the GT-R of all cars and same goes for the supposed Supra.
MkIV Supras are dyno queens. If you want to run fast quarter miles in them, get an auto like legendboy did, but if you want to wow teenagers with your extensive mod list, dyno charts and completely unusable power, get a 6 speed and a VTEC motor.

[Go4Long]

Originally posted by pressure_ratio


You don't run 9 second passes on radials man!


I think derrek and his 1150 hp mustang might disagree with you there...from what I know he ran a low 8 second pass on a radial last year.

[89coupe]

John Force's 2006 Ford Mustang Funny car owns you all...losers:rofl:

6000HP 4800ft/tq
4.66@333mph in the 1/4 mile

http://nhra.com/2006/gallery/fc/John_Force.jpg

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Bah, you know damn well that thing's got a Hemi. :rofl:

[Ford]

Originally posted by 89coupe
John Force's 2006 Ford Mustang Funny car owns you all...losers:rofl:

6000HP 4800ft/tq
4.66@333mph in the 1/4 mile

http://nhra.com/2006/gallery/fc/John_Force.jpg


hahahah shiit

[Moonracer]

That car is a "Force" to be reckon with. :D

[toyboy88]

Originally posted by JAYMEZ_STi
That camaro is sweet...

But for the two argueing...


1400RWHP Supra
http://www.wotm.com/rywo98qu.html

:D

Best 1/4 Mile [email protected]

:poosie:

[D. Dub]

Originally posted by toyboy88


Best 1/4 Mile [email protected]

:poosie:


Yeah but it's still basically a soul-less appliance.

[Rockski]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat
Bah, you know damn well that thing's got a Hemi. :rofl:

... and thats why it fell apart half way down the track... because its got a HEMI insteat of a 572 ;)

[Papa Luv it]

The 69 camaro is my all time fav muscle car, but that one would look alot better black with silver racing stripes

[Police]

Originally posted by pressure_ratio


You don't run 9 second passes on radials man!

That Camaro would have serious traction issues anyway,the poor monoleaf springs on those cars were brutal for traction .

The Camaro is a nice clean car,and a classic but 600rwhp out of a blown 496 isn't really anything to get excited about.And if you go to a show or meet Camaro's are a dime a dozen.
Personally I'd go with a Supra.At least you could actually drive it around any given day without getting a headache,in comfort with the A/C on and still have reasonable drivability and mileage.

Can't agree more with this, let me guess the camaro probably has the same famous shitty ass old school 'stang' frame flex?
i'd take the supra anyday, the supra looks way nicer, to each their own. :love:

[ZedMan]

Nothing a set of SFCs and some slapper bars'll fix.

Case in point:
(skip the bs, watch the camaro launch)
Please rclick>save as (www.tschoendorfer.com/pinks.wmv)

[Maxt]

Originally posted by b_t


Facts never got anyone banned... the problem here is I've got numbers on my side... a 3 liter with a gigantic turbo will never make as much torque as a 6.5 liter V8, even without a supercharger.. and against a boosted V8, there is just no chance for the Supra.

Here is a dyno chart of a 630whp Supra.
http://to4r.com/media/swilson_dyno.jpg
It doesn't make more then 200lb-ft of torque until 3500rpm and doesn't make its peak torque until 4750...
more charts showing basically the same thing in case you think I just took the one that supports what I am saying here
http://www.boostaholic.com/supra/index.html
or go here and check off as many boxes as you like, none of these cars even using mega-buck turbos (T04R, T88s, GT42s...) make any power before 3500rpm
http://dyno.to4r.com/graph.php
the 1000whp+ Supras make less then 300whp until around 4600rpm. You can chart a twin turbo V8 on there (440whp at 3500rpm) or a tuned up V10 viper (just under 600whp at 3500rpm) if you want to compare.

Now compare it to a 396ci big block just on the motor, this one is only 380whp...
http://www.azsupersport.com/images/4drhtrddyno.jpg
doesn't even start logging until 2500rpm but he's already making 430lb-ft of torque.

You've got no argument here - you just got served by a google search. As the rumor goes, even Nissan is ditching boosted 6 cylinders for a V8 in the GT-R of all cars and same goes for the supposed Supra.
MkIV Supras are dyno queens. If you want to run fast quarter miles in them, get an auto like legendboy did, but if you want to wow teenagers with your extensive mod list, dyno charts and completely unusable power, get a 6 speed and a VTEC motor.
Yes but they are not changing motors for the reasons you insinuate, the reason they are changing motors, is because turbo motors are getting harder and harder to make meet Japanese new vehicle emmission standards. It takes to long to fire off the cat in a turbo car, so its cold start low speed emissions are higher, on top of a higher BSFC on power. The move to NA motors was purely for that reason, all are headed there...
The whole torque thing is overplayed, Powerband and gear ratio selection /matching will make up for later and or lower torque production... My little 13b has more rear wheel torque than my diesel van does in first gear due to gear ratio, and then 3 times the hp to boot..


http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.amkread.co.jp/Pages/Event05/Chubu/Chubu_Top.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhks%2Bdrag%2Bbattle%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D
Japan street class drags, most cars run Nitto's, a couple of low 10 supras in there..
I still like first gen camaros, it was one of my favourite cars, haven drive both, I would take a supra though any day of the week..

[BB6SE]

Originally posted by b_t


Facts never got anyone banned... the problem here is I've got numbers on my side... a 3 liter with a gigantic turbo will never make as much torque as a 6.5 liter V8, even without a supercharger.. and against a boosted V8, there is just no chance for the Supra.

Here is a dyno chart of a 630whp Supra.
http://to4r.com/media/swilson_dyno.jpg
It doesn't make more then 200lb-ft of torque until 3500rpm and doesn't make its peak torque until 4750...
more charts showing basically the same thing in case you think I just took the one that supports what I am saying here
http://www.boostaholic.com/supra/index.html
or go here and check off as many boxes as you like, none of these cars even using mega-buck turbos (T04R, T88s, GT42s...) make any power before 3500rpm
http://dyno.to4r.com/graph.php
the 1000whp+ Supras make less then 300whp until around 4600rpm. You can chart a twin turbo V8 on there (440whp at 3500rpm) or a tuned up V10 viper (just under 600whp at 3500rpm) if you want to compare.

Now compare it to a 396ci big block just on the motor, this one is only 380whp...
http://www.azsupersport.com/images/4drhtrddyno.jpg
doesn't even start logging until 2500rpm but he's already making 430lb-ft of torque.

You've got no argument here - you just got served by a google search. As the rumor goes, even Nissan is ditching boosted 6 cylinders for a V8 in the GT-R of all cars and same goes for the supposed Supra.
MkIV Supras are dyno queens. If you want to run fast quarter miles in them, get an auto like legendboy did, but if you want to wow teenagers with your extensive mod list, dyno charts and completely unusable power, get a 6 speed and a VTEC motor.
no doubt this camaro is awesome. but aside from that.

whats the redline on the v8's? less than 6000?
these Supras rev to about 9000RPM.

btw, the video that jaymez posted. that guy has over 1000RWTQ
you were saying that it can never make as much torque as a 6.5L V8.