U of C Abortion Display...

[xxjessmicaxx]

Did anyone else see this shocking display today! One girl yelled at me when i said I was pro-choice. How can the campus allow this?

[mo_virgin]

care to elaborate what the display was?

[sexualbanana]

Originally posted by mo_virgin
care to elaborate what the display was?

It's a display of about 10-15 large pictures of dead fetuses and such. Basically the most graphic pictures the campus pro-life people can find to convince them that choice is the devil. Pretty disturbing shit.

[kaput]

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[Vagabond142]

I walked up to them, yelled "Fuck you" and walked away grinning as they had a hissy fit :D

[BerserkerCatSplat]

I thought they got thrown off of campus last year for the posters. Maybe I should put up posters of hot naked women and say I'm a pro-porn, pro-nudism activist, just excercising my right to free speech.

Oh, and I should do it right beside their display. :D

[FishPoo]

Do it!!!

I agree, those pictures are disgusting.

Pro-choice all the way.

I can't believe the University let them do that.

[ninjak84]

Originally posted by sexualbanana
It's a display of about 10-15 large pictures of dead fetuses and such.

Wow, that's classy ... :rolleyes:


Originally posted by Vagabond142
I walked up to them, yelled "Fuck you" and walked away grinning as they had a hissy fit :D

:thumbsup:

I don't know why anyone wants to deny a woman's right to choose. The only people who should have a say are the 'mother' and 'father'.
But I've heard the anti-abortion argument alot. While I don't agree with it, sounds like those losers on campus aren't the best people to discuss it like adults.

[95EagleAWD]

So the Canadian Forces gets chased off campus for recruiting, but they allow this? What's the deal?

[nusneak]

I got it, I'm going to put up the exact same pictures right beside them wearing 95% white clothes, and PROMOTE abortion... Or repeatly punching to the stomache, or 'helping' them down the stairs (trip)..



:rofl:

[cycosis]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat
I'm a pro-porn:D


:rofl: :rofl: :werd: please please do it and post

[MidnightDreamer]

I agree with thier views as a christian myself... but thier methods are somewhat extreme, and thier message is somewhat insulting to the average educated university student... They argue that the idea of the "choice" needs to be investigated more throughly in order to understand the issue, ie. The "choice" that the Nazi's made in exterminating the Jews... But I really feel that the issue comes down to what the majority of us believe is right or wrong...

I totally understand the pro-choice argument... In the situation where a child may be born into a world were he/she has no hope for survival or thier existence would be a torture in itself I can understand why it might be more humane to turn to an abortion...

But my belief is that in allowing such acts we undermine the natural processes of life. Human technology has taken us places in the last century that we never thought could be possible, but I don't think it was ever meant for us to cross certain boundaries. I know there is the whole argument of when a fetus becomes a living person or not, but abortion directly interferes with the natural processes involved in child birth, and I really do feel it's wrong. I agree with the convention that when the genetic materials of 2 donors becomes intertwined at the point of fertilization it becomes a person...

I do however respect peoples beliefs and opinions, but I believe that denying a person the chance to exist regardless of the kind of life they may face is simply wrong...

Now when I say I am against the modification of natural human processes I mean it more specific to abortion... I'm not against birth control or Tylenol... life saving drugs etc... The same goes for the development of stemcell research and the possibility of genetic manipulation in the future... ie. If it were possible to diagnose a degenerative genetic disease which could be corrected using a medical procedure before birth... I don't think I'd have anything against that... I have my own way of justifying this kind of thinking to myself... but that's another topic...

[Khyron]

Originally posted by MidnightDreamer
I agree with the convention that when the genetic materials of 2 donors becomes intertwined at the point of fertilization it becomes a person...


That's the whole argument. I would say the point of fertilization has the potential for life, but no more than an ovulated egg, or a load of sperm. Some say that potential becomes reality when the organism has its own blood, others say it's the point when it could exist on its own, even for a few moments.

As long as you accept there is no "right" answer, you're fine. Graphic anti-abortion activists are no different than those nutters than steal frozen eggs because they are "life".

Khyron

[hexd3mon]

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[Team_Mclaren]

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keep that shit in ask leo. Thanks

[theken]

haha on south park right now its the one where cartmen finds the aborted fetuses and is trying to sell them. thought this is on topic, chris reeves ends up eating a bunch

[t-im]

Where is the display this yr?

Beside the Stor? Or by the C-train bridge?

[Freeway2k]

*Ahem* From the Gauntlet, selected excerpts from an article two weeks ago:

Gist?

SU isn't involved. They tried to reach an agreement with Campus Pro-Life, but gave up and told them to negotiate with Admin. instead. SU VP Ops/Fi Joel Lockwood was quoted as saying any final decision would have to go through the SU, but U of C VP External Roman Cooney & Campus Pro-Life rep Drew Brown were under the impression that the SU'd removed itself from the decision-making process. The article ran March 2nd.

According to the SU website, the matter WAS discussed at the March 7th SLC meeting, but it's just on the business minutes and I have no idea what the dicussion entailed.

[atomic]

Originally posted by Vagabond142
I walked up to them, yelled "Fuck you" and walked away grinning as they had a hissy fit :D

wow aren't you the intellectual one.

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by t-im
Where is the display this yr?

Beside the Stor? Or by the C-train bridge?

pretty much in front of the library, science threater. that area.

I saw the display but didnt know what it was, going to check it out tomrorw. I can take pics if anyone that doesnt go to UC is wondering what this is about.

[Nissanaddict]

I am of the belief that killing's wrong. I'm also aware that we have NO idea when one becomes a person (hence right now, it's at the point of opinion, like when the first philosophers thought maybe the earth is round, there wasn't any proof either way) and although it'd be great to know for sure, we don't. As such, I THINK we should stay on the safe side and refrain from it where it's not necessary, as adoption is an option, etc. Even with all this, putting up pictures of dead fetuses is fucking unsavory, and shouldn't be done (yes this does go in contrary to shit I've said on here not too long ago...I've thought pretty long and hard about it) so yeah. Dead fetus pictures in public = :thumbsdow

[t-im]

Originally posted by atomic


wow aren't you the intellectual one.

Whatever, with the way they present themselves i'd like to give em a big FUCK YOU each time I walk by them..


Originally posted by Team_Mclaren


pretty much in front of the library, science threater. that area.

I saw the display but didnt know what it was, going to check it out tomrorw. I can take pics if anyone that doesnt go to UC is wondering what this is about.

ohh god...hopefully they'll get booted off campus soon..they are such a eyesore!!!..even driving by the c-train bridge last yr (where they were booted to..something like that) was disturbing enough..

[sputnik]

Originally posted by Vagabond142
I walked up to them, yelled "Fuck you" and walked away grinning as they had a hissy fit :D

Freshman?

[bspot]

I'm pro-not-being-a-dipshit. For people that are too stupid to use birth control abortion isn't ok. When you stick it in you take responsibility. If she's on the pill and you have a dome on you have nothing to worry about. If you aren't ready to deal with a baby (adoption or whatever) don't stick it in. For girls that get raped, thats a whole different story. The fact is everyone else can prevent it so that unwanted babies are never an issue. A pack of pills and a box of 'domes isn't exactly going to break the bank.

That said, you know these idiots are doing a bad job when you take someone like me that mostly agrees with them and piss them off to no end. If you can't even win over your own side you suck at demonstrating.

[Nissanaddict]

^^pretty much man.

[A790]

Originally posted by bspot
I'm pro-not-being-a-dipshit. For people that are too stupid to use birth control abortion isn't ok. When you stick it in you take responsibility. If she's on the pill and you have a dome on you have nothing to worry about. If you aren't ready to deal with a baby (adoption or whatever) don't stick it in. For girls that get raped, thats a whole different story. The fact is everyone else can prevent it so that unwanted babies are never an issue. A pack of pills and a box of 'domes isn't exactly going to break the bank.

That said, you know these idiots are doing a bad job when you take someone like me that mostly agrees with them and piss them off to no end. If you can't even win over your own side you suck at demonstrating.

This isn't a debate about abortion; it's about the fact that people are trying to brainwash on campus.

[bspot]

Originally posted by A790


This isn't a debate about abortion; it's about the fact that people are trying to brainwash on campus.

Notice my last two lines. The point of my post is if they piss off people that are even somewhat onside with their views, they are doing a BAD job.

[sputnik]

Originally posted by A790
This isn't a debate about abortion; it's about the fact that people are trying to brainwash on campus.

You probably shouldnt take any classes in the faculty of arts if you are worried about being brainwashed. Do you really think that people are being brainwashed by the display? If people at the U of C were actually educated critical thinkers such a display wouldnt phase them in the least. They would just keep walking and live based on their own beliefs without having to defend themselves.

If they believe that abortion is fine and morally acceptable, seeing dead fetuses shouldnt be a problem. They arent human right? Its not like they felt it or anything. Right?

You dont see me getting disgusted at the meat on display at Safeway. Walking through a slaughterhouse and meat packing plants havent stopped me from eating meat either. I dont accuse militant vegetarians of trying to brainwash me, I just smile and keep walking COMPLETELY unoffended.

[Rockski]

Originally posted by Team_Mclaren


pretty much in front of the library, science threater. that area.

I saw the display but didnt know what it was, going to check it out tomrorw. I can take pics if anyone that doesnt go to UC is wondering what this is about.

i wanna see this shit, post em up

[Zero102]

I think the best thing for everybody to do is just to ignore them.
If they get no attention, they will leave. It's like dealing with an annoying little kid, except these little kids have graphic pictures and extremist methods, but that doesn't change the idea.

By going up to them and yelling things, by arguing with them, etc. all you are doing is giving them attention. If they think people are paying attention, they will continue to put up these displays.

The best action on this is no action at all.

[MidnightDreamer]

Sputnik and Zero102 have good points... Those pics and the rallying is just a cheap shot they take to try and swing you over to thier way of thinking... Those images are seriously disturbing though... right on par with anything you could dig up in ask leo...

Sputnik also mentions Vegitarians lol... I have nothing against them, but if someone were ever to try and convert me with sluaghterhouse pics, or cows getting raped or something... it wouldn't phase me at all... Cows exist for the sole purpose of being eaten... We just help them to fulfill thier destiny lol...

[YCB]

Originally posted by sputnik


Do you really think that people are being brainwashed by the display? If people at the U of C were actually educated critical thinkers such a display wouldnt phase them in the least. They would just keep walking and live based on their own beliefs without having to defend themselves.


You dont see me getting disgusted at the meat on display at Safeway. Walking through a slaughterhouse and meat packing plants havent stopped me from eating meat either. I dont accuse militant vegetarians of trying to brainwash me, I just smile and keep walking COMPLETELY unoffended.

:werd:

[Jerms]

how long is the display going to be up for??

the pictures are nasty.. but if you have no say just ignore them and the pictures..

i walked past it today and notice that the topic is getting fairly "heated" with the opposition standing besides that displays

[Vagabond142]

Originally posted by sputnik


Freshman?

Final semester :D Have always wanted to do something about the pro-lifers and their very very poor ways about presenting themselves.

Maybe we should get the engineers involved :devil: (those on campus will understand)

And to Atomic: while I don't agree with their position, I do respect the right to free expression. However, I feel that the Campus Pro-Life group went about it the ENTIRELY wrong way. What they've done is instead of promoting their message, they've caused a lot of anger and ill-will towards them on campus. The Student's Union hates them. The staff at the MacKimmie were livid (I used to work at the Gallagher last year, so I do still have some friends working in the library system), and wanted to tear down their display. Students were disgusted by the BEHAVIOR of the CPL (not the pics), because before I gave em the big F to the U, I listened to how they were answering questions... and they were disrespectful, confrontational and pretty much didn't accept that there were opinions other than theirs. So, in the end, I walked up to the fence (yes, they had a FENCE up to stop people tearing down their billboards), and gave em both barrels, not only for their pissing people off, but also for their attitudes and disrespect. And so yes, I am an intellectual one. Just not with you.

[dodgy]

easiest thing is to just walk on by (or travel around it) - respecting that they have the right to their opinion, and hoping that they are big enough to respect yours.

The whole freedom thing is wonderful, as long as we respect each others - it gets shitty real fast when people start shoving views down each others throat.

[Zero102]

As mentioned, they do have the right to their own opinion, and are only marginally infringing on ours by putting up this display. If we all ignore them, then they are the ones who look like fools.
Imagine, if they set up their display, and for 2 days straight not one person even looked at it, nobody stopped, nobody said or did anything to them.
I can't imagine they would even keep it up for 2 days if this happened. Then, let them try to convince their group that this is a worthwhile venture next year....

[kaput]

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