PS3 pricing/date announced, most games only 720p

[googe]

some stuff from e3...

659 CAD/599 USD for the good version :eek:

$549 CAD for the base model, which loses

* You lose 40GB (20GB base vs. 60GB)
* You lose HDMI output
* You lose MemoryStick / SD / CompactFlash slots
* You lose 802.11 b/g wireless

release date is nov 17

also they scrapped the boomerang controller, and the controllers will be identical to the ps2 controller without vibration.


"Sony has been touting their ability to output 1080p via dual HDMI ports while some have claimed most games won't be able to use that resolution. Checking out Sega's announcement that Virtua Fighter 5 will be a Playstation 3 exclusive and Epic's interview regarding Unreal Tournament 2007 reveals one common thread, that both are targeting 720p."

[/////AMG]

Without vibration, why??

For the XBOX 360 do most games only go up to 720p as well??

Pricing is nuts! But then again, its almost the same as when PS2 came out.

The base model sucks balls.:thumbsdow

[googe]

almost the same? ps2 was $350...this is like twice as much :)

according to the packaging, all the 360 games ive looked at are 1080i.

they lost the vibration because some company has it patented and they settled with microsoft and nintendo but sued sony and sony dropped it.

[/////AMG]

$350? I remember I bought the PS2 with GT3 (that package they had during xmas) for $500 or $450 and that was a few month after PS2 came out!

[gran turismo]

I got the PS2 the day it was released and I paid $400 I believe. Anyways, I look at the price like I did for the PS2. You're getting an HD DVD player and then a great game system for a little more. I think they'd be gone the minute they hit the shelf if they were priced at $1000. Regardless, I won't be getting a PS3 on launch day this time. Ironically, I have less disposable income now that I've graduated university.

Does anyone know if PS3 games will support/include the vibration function so if someone uses an "old" PS2 controller, they'd have that option?

[Xtrema]

Most games for 360 are 720p. And I won't be surprise most games on PS3 will also run 720p. Going 1080p will current gen of graphic chipset will either scale you back on detail or framerate. And few display on the market supports 1080p anyway.

Playing BF2 at 720p while it's ok, I do wish a higher rez will help in picking out the snipers.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by gran turismo
Does anyone know if PS3 games will support/include the vibration function so if someone uses an "old" PS2 controller, they'd have that option?

My guess is Sony will probably follow MS and make you buy a all new hardware so I don't think old controllers will work.

And if you look closely at the new controller L2 and R2 are now analog (copy of 360's triggers). So a lot of games probably won't work with the old controller where L2 and R2 are just buttons.

So vibration is out. Not that I'll miss it that much anyway.

[cujo_cjc]

Thats not bad seeing how the PS2 came out at $500?
Its not as high as I thought it would be

[dericer]

^

Yup, paid $460 not including GST for PS2, 1 contoller, and no game @ Walmart about 3 monthas after it came out.

600 sounds about right for what your getting.

[benyl]

Yeah, but that was when our exchange rate was shitty. Compare the US prices for launch prices and there is a bigger difference.

[bspot]

Hearing they are using the same controllers makes me glad I didn't wait and just got a 360 right away. Those were the worst controllers out of the 3 (Game Cube, Xbox, PS2). They are made for small hands with toothpick fingers.

[ZEDGE]

haha

Sony over promised and over hyped last E3...

Now they have copied xbox live almost to the T. They ripped off Nintendo with their controller.. they have two sku' which they bashed MS for..

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=11209


They now have thier own "Tard Pack"

LOL

Tekken

E3 last year:

http://www.armchairempire.com/images/News/May-2005/ps3-unveiled/tekken-6-2.jpg

E3 this year:

http://www.360box.co.uk/e3/screens/tekken5/02.jpg

:erm:

Reality bites..

And where was Killzone????????? They could not come close to the bs trailer they showed last year so they are not showing it at all..


http://1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=7012050&publicUserId=5380122

:D


E3: The Tard Pack Commeth 11 Thumbs
Everyone knew that Sony would come out swinging eventually. Every Sony press conference is the same. Kaz, in all his wooden head glory hops on stage and goes through the motions like a depressed, used cars salesman. A few Powerpoint slides here, some graphics showing just how much more awesome their plastic box is to the other guys plastic box and then, just when you think it's all said and done, they drop their bombs.

And as expected, they dropped some bombs. Only this time, instead of going into the following day to see how the survivors are dealing with the wreckage, we're staring straight back at Sony and the damage they did to themselves. The bombs, for once, backfired. Damage was dealt, but for the most part, there was a severe, premature detonation.

The conference, for all intents and purposes, was a disaster. From an atrocious looking demo of Gran Turismo 4 running in high definition (Why did we need to watch this for 10 minutes?) to an almost pitiful Kaz Hirai almost begging for applause when showing off the original Ridge Racer running on a PSP ("It's Ridge Racer. . . RIDGE RACER!").

With the exception of the absolutely stunning Metal Gear Solid 4 trailer -- a title that I, even as a Metal Gear fan really wasn't interested in until that moment, everything was a dud. And yet, they managed to top themselves.

It would should have been the single moment in time where we could pinpoint exactly where Sony would continue their reign upon the console throne, we were thrown for a loop. We were punked.

Somewhere in Los Angeles, a smile crept slowly across the face of Microsoft's Peter Moore. No longer would the term "Tard Pack" be synonymous with Microsoft and his XBOX 360.

For now, Sony has managed to one up them. Presenting, The Playstation 3 Tard Pack. Yes, for only $499 dollars, you too can own a crippled Blu-Ray player, complete with a lack of much touted WiFi connectivity (Peace out wireless PSP interaction) and memory stick slots that would not only make way for a sort of open source "memory card" solution, but also the "Ultimate media center" angle goes out the window too.

As for the tilt-and-tumble addition to the Dual Shock -- Oh. While I'm thinking about information that Sony forgot to mention during their conference (Yet, did manage to slip into their official press release), the Dual Shock now lacks that which the name was coined after, being vibration. Regardless, I already had my word on that.

I will hand it Sony. They most certainly made sure that today, being Tuesday, will be very, very interesting. I'm a bit frightened that Reggie might burst onto stage tomorrow morning and drink the blood of slaughtered barn yard creatures, but regardless, Nintendo has to respond to this revelation. And as for Microsoft, well, they've quite frankly never looked better at this point.




Call me fanboi, I dont care.. after a year of everyone bashing the 360, Xbox 1.5 this and 1.5 that... now we see the Ps3 games look no better than any 360 games, not to mention the blatant copying of everything MS has done (even the guide button in the middle of the controller). And also copying Nintento with thier motion sensor controller..

This is just too funny. The Irony is killing me.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Xtrema
Most games for 360 are 720p. And I won't be surprise most games on PS3 will also run 720p. Going 1080p will current gen of graphic chipset will either scale you back on detail or framerate. And few display on the market supports 1080p anyway.
All games for xbox 360 runs in either 720p mode (1280x720x60p) or 1080i mode (1920x1080x60i). That's a requirement for EVERY xbox 360 game. In order to see xbox games at 1920x1080 resolution you would need a 1080p TV.

Sony's dual HDMI 1080p implementation is just pure hype. It's a non standard interface, and Sony only demonstrated dual HDMI inputs in a prototype SXRD TV earlier this year. There is no real 1080p interface yet, since the new HDMI and HDCP specs have been slow getting finalized. The TV's boasting 1080p inputs is pure garbage today, since it does it without HDCP content protection. Good marketing though, suckers a lot of people.

[b_t]

ahaha that screenshot of Tekken 6 on the PS3 in real time looks worse then anything out on the 360 right now!

[benyl]

anybody know of any good deals on an Xbox 360? haha

[kaput]

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[habsfan]

man that tekken screen looks no better than some current ps2 games...probably does have alot to do with lack of development time, but sony definitely fucked themselves in the ass by trying to convince us that ps3 is capable of CG detail. another one that caught my eye was the difference between F1 06 in E3 2005 and this year. i'll try to find some comparo pictures.


bravo sony, you look like a serious bunch of tools, and this is coming from, until recently, a playstation fanboy :thumbsdow

EDIT: here's the ign link to see both videos, one from E3 2005 and the video they showed this year...the one they showed yesterday is a little rough but still doesnt look too bad. but compared to the 2005 vid :rofl:

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748480/vids_1.html

[Lo)2enz0]

this will be interesting when it comes out. but from the sounds of it the base model is not worth it. i wuld just pay the extra $100 and get the upgraded model

[heavyD]

Ha Ha. I said months ago developers were having problems developing for PS3 and that one developer said that most PS3 launch games would look worse than 360 games. Sony is taking real heat for the CG demos they showed last year claiming that PS3 games would look just like that. Another thing to remember is that developers have had PS3 dev kits well before the 360 launched and they still can't make the games look as good as 360 games. If you've seen the latest Gears of War demo you can see that the PS3 is a fair bit behind the 360 as far as developers utilizing hardware. Meh....PS3 will sell-out and win the next round of console wars based on hype and fanboyism alone. Just keep your reciepts as at those prices I doubt the PS3 will have the same quality of Blu-ray drive as their home theatre stuff whichs means another class action lawsuit and Sony generously giving you a free game from the greatest hits bin.:rolleyes:

On another note this could totally help Nintendo even though they dropped the ball with the atrocious name 'Wii' their controller could be pretty cool, too bad the best the system can output is 480p.

[googe]

Originally posted by Xtrema
Most games for 360 are 720p.

bs :) oblivion, fight night round 3, call of duty 2, condemned, quake 4, nfsmw, and nhl 2k6 are all 1080i. and those are just the first 7 i checked, all the others probably are too.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by ZEDGE
Call me fanboi, I dont care.. after a year of everyone bashing the 360, Xbox 1.5 this and 1.5 that... now we see the Ps3 games look no better than any 360 games, not to mention the blatant copying of everything MS has done (even the guide button in the middle of the controller). And also copying Nintento with thier motion sensor controller..

This is just too funny. The Irony is killing me.

It's pretty weak that after all this time you can now see what Sony is doing. Taking ideas from Microsoft & Nintendo and copying them. If there is a god Sony would finish 3rd in these wars but with every Japanese developer backing PS3 it just isn't going to happen.

But seriously that 'tard pack' is virtually useless. What happens when a kid asks for a PS3 for Christmas and his parents that don't know shit go out thinking the 'tard pack' is a better deal. The poor kid is stuck with a PS3-lite that will never funtion like the more expensive one. Sony really sucks.

[rage2]

Originally posted by googe
bs :) oblivion, fight night round 3, call of duty 2, condemned, quake 4, nfsmw, and nhl 2k6 are all 1080i. and those are just the first 7 i checked, all the others probably are too.
Read my earlier posts. All xbox 360 games must run in both modes. It's part of the spec that must be followed.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by rage2

Read my earlier posts. All xbox 360 games must run in both modes. It's part of the spec that must be followed.

What is Sony's spec? "Just get the damn game running":rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Now we know the real reason the PS3 wasn't released in the spring.

[rage2]

Originally posted by heavyD
What is Sony's spec? "Just get the damn game running":rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
1080p output via custom dual HDMI ports? :dunno:

Maybe with the latest announcements, we'll stop hearing the stupid 1080p fanboys bitch and whine about 1080p TV's not having 1080p inputs because PS3's are around the corner and promise 1080p out of the box.

[Xtrema]

bwhaha

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/kotaku-stalku/kotaku-stalku-e306-sony-exec-sweats-out-ps3-demo-172579.php

[toyboy88]

obviously who wouldn't just get the "better" package nowadays if your gonna spend that much..

and i believe ps2 was $499CAD when it first came out... :eek:

[MIWYFSHOTTER]

haha the comparison is great.

[saiyajin]

Originally posted by heavyD


It's pretty weak that after all this time you can now see what Sony is doing. Taking ideas from Microsoft & Nintendo and copying them. If there is a god Sony would finish 3rd in these wars but with every Japanese developer backing PS3 it just isn't going to happen.

But seriously that 'tard pack' is virtually useless. What happens when a kid asks for a PS3 for Christmas and his parents that don't know shit go out thinking the 'tard pack' is a better deal. The poor kid is stuck with a PS3-lite that will never funtion like the more expensive one. Sony really sucks.


copying is bound to happen since sony isnt the first out the gate you cant say xbox didnt get any ideas on ps2 when it came out after it :dunno:

[iceburns288]

F1 2006...

Screenshot from 2005 E3:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614818/formula-one-ps3-20060117005455106.jpg

Screenshot from 2006 E3:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/705/705729/f1-06-20060508035230240.jpg

I know I'm not the only one who saw the difference:dunno:

[ZEDGE]

Originally posted by saiyajin



copying is bound to happen since sony isnt the first out the gate you cant say xbox didnt get any ideas on ps2 when it came out after it :dunno:

It didnt actually.

Xbox came with a HD, built in ethernet, 4 controller ports, xbox live. Only thing was it didnt play dvds without the remote.

It did everything sony didnt.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by saiyajin



copying is bound to happen since sony isnt the first out the gate you cant say xbox didnt get any ideas on ps2 when it came out after it :dunno:

You are a Sony fanboy so you're never going to be convinced that they couldn't come up with a decent idea of their own. There is no concept original at all about the PS3. In fact their E3 showing is a disaster as they are getting panned left & right. Good on them as they flat out lied about their capabilities last E3 to try & steal Microsoft's thunder regarding the 360, now it's come back to bite them in the ass.

[ZEDGE]

Sony is getting ripped a new one on IGN round table. :rofl:

[403Gemini]

me thinks ill just get a xbox 360 and forget the ps3

[eblend]

wow i haven't had much time to play my 360 since i bought it a few weeks ago, but damn i am glad i got it now :D i go play woo hoo

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by 403Gemini
me thinks ill just get a xbox 360 and forget the ps3

I think 360 are getting the people on the fence to their camp.

First when Sony delay PS3, and again after poor showing @ E3.

I think 360 is doing the same to PS3 as PS1 did to N64.

[iceburns288]

I love it when people tell me that my X360 sucks and that the PS3 will be so much better. I just tell them to go play their PS3 since it's so great, because I've been able to play my Xbox for half a year now:)

[benyl]

I have come to the conclusion that the 360 is the way to go. Blu-ray is going the way of the beta if no one buys the PS3. I know people will buy it, but I think some of the fanboys (me included) will wait a long time before buying a PS3.

[habsfan]

Originally posted by iceburns288
F1 2006...

Screenshot from 2005 E3:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614818/formula-one-ps3-20060117005455106.jpg

Screenshot from 2006 E3:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/705/705729/f1-06-20060508035230240.jpg

I know I'm not the only one who saw the difference:dunno:

you aren't the only one, check out my post earlier in this thread ;)

[ZEDGE]

LOL

Game Trailers initial impressions sums it up.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=wmv&id=10652

[danno]

i'm going to wait, for 2 reasons. i have 360, and it'll be a while before the games actually start to get good. ok three and by the time the price will go down

[kaput]

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[403Gemini]

if the ps3 could have offered graphics that the killzone 2 trailer demonstrated, then THAT would have been the jump to next gen gaming.

ps1 to ps2 you say next to infinite difference in quality

ps2 to ps3 is noticeable, but nothing worthy to fill your pants full of man gravy like the ps2 did

[habsfan]

i wonder if the ps3 will end up having a somewhat noticable edge in graphics once developers really figure out how to program using the ps3...or if all that fancy "revolutionary" software they created will be nothing but a waste of money

[403Gemini]

i imagine for the first couple years it could be just a waste of money.

and honestly, in those first couple years, if the graphics on a 360 is going to be the same as a ps3, then people are going to look at the price tags and say "fuck ps3, im going to buy the 360 and save a couple hundred and get the same game"

fan boys will keep the ps3 alive for awhile, but if sony doesnt pick up the ball that they promised us fast, they'll drown

[iceburns288]

Originally posted by benyl
I have come to the conclusion that the 360 is the way to go. Blu-ray is going the way of the beta if no one buys the PS3. I know people will buy it, but I think some of the fanboys (me included) will wait a long time before buying a PS3.

It looks like that may be the case. The PS3 will be one of very few Blu-Ray players available, and it costs so much I don't think they'll sell as many as they wanted to.

[deadsoulasis]

'''Blu-ray is going the way of the beta if no one buys the PS3.'''

Yet PS3 is still the cheapest Blu-Ray player you can get come november ...im not a fan boy of game systems.
Throw in 40 more gigs of hard drive space
Plus free gaming online ...its not a terrible price when you take everything in account on what you get 'in the box'


'''Does anyone know when the Wii is due out?'''

E3 said end of 2006...Plus if you look on history apsects of every nintendo console ..its always been $199.00 at launch...so count on that


''''i wonder if the ps3 will end up having a somewhat noticable edge in graphics once developers really figure out how to program using the ps3...or if all that fancy "revolutionary" software they created will be nothing but a waste of money''''

well you do have to give dev's time to program on the 'cell' processor ...not being a fan of sony/MS/or nintendo but sony has a huge fan base ....plus with the recent announce of 'homebrew' via.linux for people ...it opens up a world of possiblies ....just as xbox did with 'hacks' XBMC..etc etc.I have trouble believing Sony will fail on PS3


'''''..also they scrapped the boomerang controller, and the controllers will be identical to the ps2 controller without vibration.'''''

I can bet in a month there will be third party controllers with vibration added....thats been going on for years in the past


http://www.t3.co.uk/__data/assets/fp_auto_layout_image/521449/ps3-menu.jpg
PS3 dash..gee....... looks alot like PSP