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billy36
05-09-2006, 03:58 PM
Hi Guys,



I'm thinking of buying a condo in forest lawn, what do u guys think of the area, I've been hearing some bad stuff and don't now weather to continue my deal or dump it.


Thanks everybody.

HRD2PLZ
05-09-2006, 04:08 PM
Depends on who you talk to. Some people believe with its relative proximity to downtown that once Forest Lawn is cleaned up a bit the desirability of the area will increase. Some believe it will never change. Its hard to say. I would consider buying an investment property in there, but its definitely an area I wouldn't consider living in myself. Thats my own .02 though...

dericer
05-09-2006, 04:14 PM
I've lived in Dover all my life, went to Forest lawn H.S. etc.

There is absolutely nothing different there then any other average neighbourhood in Calgary.

I'm more afraid of the wannabe baller try hards in the SW then the SE that's for sure.

But like anytime. Be smart, and you'll be fine ie. Don't stroll down 42nd street counting cash, and flashing the new watch you bought 3 in the morning. :thumbsup:

Thaco
05-09-2006, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by dericer
I've lived in Dover all my life, went to Forest lawn H.S. etc.

There is absolutely nothing different there then any other average neighbourhood in Calgary.

I'm more afraid of the wannabe baller try hards in the SW then the SE that's for sure.

But like anytime. Be smart, and you'll be fine ie. Don't stroll down 42nd street counting cash, and flashing the new watch you bought 3 in the morning. :thumbsup:

i'm with you on this one... i ahve lived in the SE/NE all my life and i prefer it over the SW/NW any day of the week.

googe
05-09-2006, 04:23 PM
to say there is absolutely nothing different there is pretty silly. be realistic :nut:

shawtie
05-09-2006, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Thaco


i'm with you on this one... i ahve lived in the SE/NE all my life and i prefer it over the SW/NW any day of the week.

:werd:

AndrewMZ3
05-09-2006, 05:15 PM
I live in the NE and absolutely hate it :P

But in terms of purchasing the condo as an investment, I think it would be worthwhile.

You could rent the place out for a year or so and sell it after it appreciates a little. Or continue to rent it out if you expect the area to get cleaned up. Since it is a low income area, finding tenants would not be tough; however, finding good tenants could be frustrating.

Hakkola
05-09-2006, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by Thaco


i'm with you on this one... i ahve lived in the SE/NE all my life and i prefer it over the SW/NW any day of the week.

Any reason for that?


Originally posted by googe
to say there is absolutely nothing different there is pretty silly. be realistic :nut:


:werd:

topmade
05-09-2006, 07:48 PM
Im probably going to get flammed for this one. But I moved out of the forest lawn and would never think of moving back. I look at those areas (forest lawn, dover, erin woods, etc etc...) as like starter areas for people who can't afford to buy in a different area

When we lived in dover and forest lawn, there was always stupid kids walking around at 2am shouting and screeming, our car(s) were broken into several times, and one of our neighbors just disappeared and the house was boarded up and looked like a freak'n haunted house. This is not to say that any other area is going to be any better, it's just that your chances of having something happen is more likely.

For investment purposes I would say why not, buy it and rent it out like the other 90% of the houses in that area. I would not live in it, but if your plans are to get out later, then just suck it up and live in it for a while to make some money then get the hell out.

kaput
05-09-2006, 09:03 PM
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Weapon_R
05-09-2006, 09:05 PM
Any equity is better than no equity. Try and get into Southview or Radisson though, both are closer to downtown and they are better areas than Forest lawn/Dover.

billy36
05-09-2006, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by topmade
Im probably going to get flammed for this one. But I moved out of the forest lawn and would never think of moving back.


I would not live in it, but if your plans are to get out later, then just suck it up and live in it for a while to make some money then get the hell out.


wow pretty strong stuff from someone who had the experience.......... Thanks 4 the expert opinion :clap:

crazyning
05-09-2006, 09:38 PM
I think it depends on where the condo is located, and how secure you feel about your ability to protect yourself. If the condo is on the north side of 17th avenue SE, it would be a better location. As you move closer to Dover, there's prostitution and more crime. I used to work with this woman who lived in Dover, and she would tell stories about this skinny prostitute who would cause trouble all night, running naked in the street, and about how all these punks had parents who didn't care where they were.

In my opinion, you would be kidding yourself if you thought that Dover is just like any other neighborhood. They are cleaning it up a bit, but it's not going to happen over night. I'd say it will be better in 7-10 years, and by then you probably won't be living there anyways.

dericer
05-10-2006, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by crazyning
I think it depends on where the condo is located, and how secure you feel about your ability to protect yourself. If the condo is on the north side of 17th avenue SE, it would be a better location. As you move closer to Dover, there's prostitution and more crime. I used to work with this woman who lived in Dover, and she would tell stories about this skinny prostitute who would cause trouble all night, running naked in the street, and about how all these punks had parents who didn't care where they were.

In my opinion, you would be kidding yourself if you thought that Dover is just like any other neighborhood. They are cleaning it up a bit, but it's not going to happen over night. I'd say it will be better in 7-10 years, and by then you probably won't be living there anyways.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


That's the biggest load I've read to date.

Dover is by far...I mean by far... one of the nicest communities in the area. Put it up w/ Southview.

I have never once seen a prostitute in my 27 years living there.

Thanks for the laugh.

bspot
05-10-2006, 09:57 AM
CALGARY POLICE SERVICE MEDIA RELEASE

An update to the earlier shooting reported in District 4 at
approximately 21:34 hours on 2006 May 9th.

Further investigation has revealed that there was an argument
between a number of individuals in the 1500 block of 47
Street SE. These parties had arrived at this location in
several vehicles. One individual fired shots from a handgun
into one of the vehicles striking the two occupants inside.


These two victims then drove themselves to the hospital. One
male victim was treated for a gunshot wound to the leg and
released. The other male victim was hit at least twice in the
upper leg and hip area and remains in hospital in stable
condition.

Detectives from District 4 GIU are investigating this
incident along with assistance from the Gang Team and
officers from District 4 and 5. Both victims are known to
police but it is not known at this time if there is any
Organized Crime and/or gang connection to this shooting.

A possible associated vehicle to this incident is described
as a silver SUV.

dericer
05-10-2006, 10:50 AM
Instead of living your life through a newspaper, you should live it through your own eyes?

Have you even been the Forest Lawn, Dover before?


Date: Mon May 8 21:31:36 2006
Subject: FINANCIAL INSTITUTION ROBBERY
From: Duty Inspector

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CALGARY POLICE SERVICE MEDIA RELEASE

Financial Institution Robbery

Scotiabank 100 Block of Anderson Road SE


On Monday, 2006 May 8, at approximately 15:30 hours, a male
culprit entered the Scotiabank located at the Southcentre
Mall and waited his turn in line. The culprit then
approached the victim teller and presented a note demanding
money. The culprit was given an undisclosed amount of money
and fled the scene.

The culprit is described as a tanned skinned Caucasian male,
20 to 25 years of age, 5’5” tall, 130 to 150 lbs with a slim
build, brown eyes and brown shaved hair. He was wearing a
ball cap and jeans.

Anyone with information regarding this offence is asked to
contact the Violent Crime Unit at 206-8787 or Crime Stoppers
at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477).

Duty Inspector Luch Berti for Detective Doug ANDRUS and
Detective Cal WILTSHIRE.

Date: Tue May 9 08:48:21 2006
Subject: PA/MRU #06-148 MEDIA ADVISORY re: Calgary Transit Driver Assault
From: Mary Ann Houston

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At 3:55 p.m., Friday, May 5, 2006, an unknown adult male
boarded an “Out of Service” Calgary Transit bus at the
Westside Recreation Centre located at 69 Street and 17 Avenue
S.W. When the driver notified the male the bus was out of
service, the male became angry and assaulted the driver. The
offender then exited the bus and walked to the driver’s side
where he punched the window, breaking it in two places. The
offender fled the area, but in doing so left some work gear
and clothing including a distinctive hard hat.

Constable Jason McInnis of District 2 will hold a media
availability today, Tuesday, May 9, 2006 at 11 a.m., under
the arches at the Calgary Police Service Andrew Davison
Building, located at 131 - 6 Ave. S.E. in conjunction with
this assault.

Constable McInnis will show members of the media the clothing
and work items left at the scene in order to gain assistance
from the public in identifying the person responsible for
this assault.

RELEASED BY THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS/MEDIA RELATIONS UNIT FOR
CONSTABLE JASON MCINNIS.

bspot
05-10-2006, 10:59 AM
CALGARY POLICE SERVICE MEDIA RELEASE

On Tuesday, 2006 May 9th at approximately 22:15 hours
witnesses observed a single vehicle, described as an older
red blazer or SUV type, traveling northbound on 68th Street
strike 2 pedestrians that were in or around the "T"
intersection at 14th Avenue SE. This vehicle continued
northbound and out of sight of the witnesses.

Two individuals were struck, an adult male that was propelled
forward 60 meters and was killed instantly, and a second
person that sustained serious leg injuries and was
transported to the hospital.

Subsequently a call was received and the vehicle involved and
a male person associated to the vehicle were taken into
police custody; the vehicle was located in an adjacent
community a short distance away from the initial accident
scene.

The investigation was turned over to the Traffic Section and
the area was cordoned off for the remainder of the evening to
allow for a complete forensic examination.

The investigation will concentrate on alcohol and speed as
potential factors, as well as the activity of the pedestrians
prior to the collision. Charges are pending.

Duty Inspector Luch Berti for Traffic Sergeant Doug
McIlwraith.

bspot
05-10-2006, 11:01 AM
CALGARY POLICE SERVICE MEDIA RELEASE

On 2006 May 7th at approximately 13:30 hours an alert citizen
called Police and EMS to attend the 900 Block of 43 Street SE
for a person in distress. It was learned that the victim had
been assaulted with a weapon and was in serious, possibly
life threatening condition.

Through investigation it was learned that the assault
transpired elsewhere and Police K-9 attended to do a back-
track following a trail of blood. A secondary residence was
attended at and it was further learned through persons of
interest there that the incident was as a result of a
domestic dispute.

Two scenes have been contained, Crime Scenes have been
contacted and Detectives from District #4 will lead in this
investigation. Currently there is one person, a suspect in
this incident, in custody.

Information as to the gender of the suspect and the secondary
scene will not be released until the investigation is
concluded as this is domestic related.

The victim was transported to Hospital by EMS and was
attended to there; at this time the status of the victim's
health is unknown.

Duty Inspector Luch Berti for District #4 Sergeant

bspot
05-10-2006, 11:02 AM
CALGARY POLICE SERVICE NEWS RELEASE

Continuing to respond to community concerns about drugs in
our communities, Calgary Police Service District 4 officers,
with the assistance of the Tactical Unit, recently executed a
CDSA (Controlled Drug and Substances Act) search warrant at a
residence in Penbrooke Meadows.

On Friday, April 28, 2006, Calgary Police Service officers
executed a CDSA search warrant at a residence in the 5300
block of 5 Avenue S.E. Inside the residence, police seized 28
Paroxetin pills, valued at $110, 11 Morphine Sulphate
capsules, valued at $110, approximately one kilogram of
marijuana, valued at $1,200, 176 Codeine pills, valued at
$1,760, as well as a small quantity of Psilocybin (magic
mushrooms). Police also seized over 40 items of stolen
clothing, with the price tags still on, ranging from designer
jeans to overcoats. The clothing has an estimated retail
value of over $10,000. A laptop computer, a set of golf
clubs, a baseball bat and a pipe were also seized from the
residence.

Tri Duc Ho, 42, is charged with one count each of possession
of marijuana for the purpose of trafficking, possession of
opiates for the purpose of trafficking, possession of codeine
for the purpose of trafficking, possession of a controlled
substance and possession of a weapon.

Since March 2005, the Calgary Police Service has executed 75
search warrants on suspected drug houses in and around
District 4, leading to the arrest of 150 people who have been
charged with 591 Criminal Code and Controlled Drug and
Substances Act (CDSA) charges. These charges represent an on
-going effort to obstruct drug trafficking in our communities
and improve the quality of life for the citizens affected by
this criminal activity.

Illegal drug activity was identified by Calgarians as one of
their top policing priorities in the most recent Calgary
Police Service Citizen Survey.

The Calgary Police Service is committed to responding to
community concerns about illegal drug sales and use in our
city. For information on how the Calgary police work to
disrupt the production and trafficking of illegal drugs in
our communities, visit the Calgary Police Service web site at
www.calgarypolice.ca and click the Drug Unit under the
Sections & Units link.

RELEASED BY THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS/MEDIA RELATIONS UNIT FOR
A/S/SGT. C. HARPER.

asuth077
05-10-2006, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by dericer
Instead of living your life through a newspaper, you should live it through your own eyes?

Have you even been the Forest Lawn, Dover before?


Date: Mon May 8 21:31:36 2006
Subject: FINANCIAL INSTITUTION ROBBERY
From: Duty Inspector

-----BEGIN MD5 -----------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
CITYBEAT - CITY OF CALGARY PRESS RELEASE
-----------------------------------------------------------------

CALGARY POLICE SERVICE MEDIA RELEASE

Financial Institution Robbery

Scotiabank 100 Block of Anderson Road SE


On Monday, 2006 May 8, at approximately 15:30 hours, a male
culprit entered the Scotiabank located at the Southcentre
Mall and waited his turn in line. The culprit then
approached the victim teller and presented a note demanding
money. The culprit was given an undisclosed amount of money
and fled the scene.

The culprit is described as a tanned skinned Caucasian male,
20 to 25 years of age, 5’5” tall, 130 to 150 lbs with a slim
build, brown eyes and brown shaved hair. He was wearing a
ball cap and jeans.

Anyone with information regarding this offence is asked to
contact the Violent Crime Unit at 206-8787 or Crime Stoppers
at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477).

Duty Inspector Luch Berti for Detective Doug ANDRUS and
Detective Cal WILTSHIRE.

Date: Tue May 9 08:48:21 2006
Subject: PA/MRU #06-148 MEDIA ADVISORY re: Calgary Transit Driver Assault
From: Mary Ann Houston

-----BEGIN MD5 -----------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------------------------
CITYBEAT - CITY OF CALGARY PRESS RELEASE
-----------------------------------------------------------------

At 3:55 p.m., Friday, May 5, 2006, an unknown adult male
boarded an “Out of Service” Calgary Transit bus at the
Westside Recreation Centre located at 69 Street and 17 Avenue
S.W. When the driver notified the male the bus was out of
service, the male became angry and assaulted the driver. The
offender then exited the bus and walked to the driver’s side
where he punched the window, breaking it in two places. The
offender fled the area, but in doing so left some work gear
and clothing including a distinctive hard hat.

Constable Jason McInnis of District 2 will hold a media
availability today, Tuesday, May 9, 2006 at 11 a.m., under
the arches at the Calgary Police Service Andrew Davison
Building, located at 131 - 6 Ave. S.E. in conjunction with
this assault.

Constable McInnis will show members of the media the clothing
and work items left at the scene in order to gain assistance
from the public in identifying the person responsible for
this assault.

RELEASED BY THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS/MEDIA RELATIONS UNIT FOR
CONSTABLE JASON MCINNIS.

I think I would take a note in my hand over a bullet in my chest...but good point. Crime happens everywhere and it always will.....until we don't let people from forest lawn and dover drive.

I am just kidding, if your thinking of buying a place go look at the area and talk to the neighbours. You can't judge an entire community that easily.

bspot
05-10-2006, 11:04 AM
Thats great that a bank in south calgary and some bus driver got beat up.

At least half of the really bad stuff on Citybeat is district 4. The police are probably fabricating it all though. Did you ever wonder why your house costs a lot less than a similar house in a different neighbourhood? There are tradeoffs with living in those areas. I grew up in a not terribly great part of the city, and no I didn't feel scared for my life, but to deny there was more crime is just silly.

gen2teggy
05-10-2006, 11:08 AM
my car never got broken into
i lived in dover allmost all my life
i dont c anything wrong wit it, just mind ur owne bussiness

heavyD
05-10-2006, 11:10 AM
If you can afford to get into a better area go that route for sure. I you can't it's like Weapon_R said. Any equity is better than no equity.

One thing to realize is that depending on where you come from your level of tolerance may vary. I personally wouldn't live in the NE/SE if the house was free but that's because I've always lived in the NW and condsider anything east of Deerfoot a little substandard but that's me.

I have a co-worker that lives in Dover and he's lived there forever & loves it (btw: his 12 year kid had been busted for carrying drugs at school & he thinks it's funny). If midnight walks with your sweetheart watching the stars reflect off the windows of pawn shops turns your crank you just may like Forest Lawn.:thumbsup:

shawtie
05-10-2006, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by heavyD
If midnight walks with your sweetheart watching the stars reflect off the windows of pawn shops turns your crank you just may like Forest Lawn.:thumbsup:

LMAO:rofl:

Ben
05-10-2006, 11:23 AM
Keep in mind, there ARE nice communities in the South East...So dont let this generalization of the whole east of the city throw you off. The SE referenced in this thread is more like the central east. The deep south east has VERY good communities.

Although I live on the west side of deerfoot in the south east, hahaha. Just barely. =P

Personally, I could never live there, I dont care what anyone says, it's far too run down, the image stinks, and the crime is rampant. It's NOT just like any other community. Dont kid yourself, even for a moment.

Dont get me wrong, there are a lot of wonderful residents and cozy homes, but yeah, as a whole, it's just not my neck of the woods. I dont know of any other communities where the city offers to clean up your garbage in your yards for ya because it's so bad, and has more pawn shops than health clinics..

But, if there is a silver lining, it's Desert Pita!!!!!!!:hitit: :hitit: :hitit:

GQBalla
05-10-2006, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by bspot
CALGARY POLICE SERVICE NEWS RELEASE

176 Codeine pills, valued at
$1,760, a

codeine pills? you mean like tylenol 3? 176 pills of codeine for $1760?? jesus. i hope these pills are like a purer form of codeine and not like tylenol 3 than.

well ive lived in the NE for a good chunk of my life and my grandma lives in dover, i grew up in apple wood and forest lawn. so i would say its not to bad. but i remember when i moved to the NW i stopped hearing police sirens.

but the sirens have reached the NW now

i also if i had a choice i would choose NW.

Toma
05-10-2006, 01:43 PM
I own several proerpties in Forrest Lawn, my parents live there, and they own a few as well....

I live in Mount Pleasent (NW), but have lived in the lawn.

Forrest lawn rules. Your dog and cat are welcome, your car is welcome, and you are welcome as long as you keep your place tidy.

It is a "rougher" neighbourhood, but police presence is higher probably then anywhere lese in the city. I volunteered for the cops, and reponse time in that area was insanley fast compared to NW SW etc. They actually caught a guy who tried to assault a hooker within 3 minutes, where a break in in Edgemont took 27 minutes response in the same night, and of course, no one was caught. The renters are what ruin that area, but a lot of older people own there, and their yards are nice, and they take care of the neghbourhood. There was an attempted sexual assault la while back, in the alley behind one of my places.... every neighbour within that block came out to her aid at 4:30 am, and beat the guy, and held him for police...

I WOULD NOT live in the NE though.... now those are the slums ;)

So should you buy there? Sure. Property is still cheaper there, but you are close to downtown, and the city is constantly funneling money into the area, revitilizing it, improving infrastructure etc.

Make sure you get a deal though, forrest lawn is still behind average pricing by at least 25%

I started buying there because it is all I could afford for what I wanted (bungalows with legal basement suites on 50 foot lots). And now.... I am damn glad I did

:clap:

Orbie
05-10-2006, 02:24 PM
I lived in the N.E. for a good chunk of my childhood, and while as a kid you don't see or care much about crime, it happened alot. Our house was broken into 3 times over the course of living there. Since than lived in the N.W. not a single incident. I thought the N.E. was bad, but judging by the stats the police post about crime in the different districts, the Forest Lawn area easily tops where I lived, and these tend to be larger crimes and more violent. It's really a mixed bag, I have friends who live in Forest Lawn who have had their cars stolen 6 or more times from in front of their house despite any measures they take, I also have friends who have never had a problem living in the area.

Here's a link to Community Crime info from the CPS you might find useful:
http://www.calgarypolice.ca/facts/stats.html

DSMer4Life
05-10-2006, 02:26 PM
I've lived in Dover for over 25 years (since I was 2, or 3) and still call it home. In that time, I was mugged once, and had my car broken into twice. My dad's car had a window smashed and the neighbour's house was broken into once. Other than these incidents, it has been a relatively quiet area to live in.

We are lucky as most of our neighbours are established and own their house, maintain their property, etc. I'm close to downtown, it's quiet at night, the cats take care of the mice and no one minds my wrecked Talon in my yard, or when I do an oil change. I agree with Toma that it's the renters that bring an area down. Obviously, other parts of Dover/Forest Lawn aren't so nice.

And you can always sleep peacefully, once you hear HAWKS fly over. I always say, "The night ain't over till HAWKS flies over!":guns: :burnout: :cry: :barf: :zzz:

DSMer4Life
05-10-2006, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by Ben
The SE referenced in this thread is more like the central east. The deep south east has VERY good communities.Yes, I like to refer to it as South Central. STAY OUTTA MY HOOD! Represent biznitches!:werd:

romanianmagic10
05-10-2006, 02:44 PM
wHAT YOU HAVE TO ASK yourself is do i evar want my property to increaze. BOught a house in richmond hill with 250.000 3 years ago. replica of my house sold on my street with 540.000 just over 1 month ago. A property is an investment so do you really want to invest in a place where value goes up $1000/year other then $100,000/year?

Toma
05-10-2006, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by romanianmagic10
wHAT YOU HAVE TO ASK yourself is do i evar want my property to increaze. BOught a house in richmond hill with 250.000 3 years ago. replica of my house sold on my street with 540.000 just over 1 month ago. A property is an investment so do you really want to invest in a place where value goes up $1000/year other then $100,000/year?

Try to be serious?

ALL of Calgary has pretty well doubled.... houses go up as a percentage.....

If NW goes up 30%, chances are most the rest of the city does as well....

Forrest lawn houses I paid $98k to $125k are all over $260k

tapout
05-10-2006, 03:19 PM
ive lived here for 25 years i can honestly say for property its good but it is geting worse for violonce im movin to chestemere in a few months .If you wana go for a late nite walk get yourself a pitbull & super size can of bear mase.

shawtie
05-10-2006, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by tapout
If you wana go for a late nite walk get yourself a pitbull & super size can of bear mase.

good advice LOL

Vietsta
05-10-2006, 03:28 PM
i live in forest lawn and i personalty think it is a great place to live and i would not move any where else. yeah theres people in gangs and stuff down here but their not crazy and go up to your car and try to rob you. i honestly love living in forest lawn. but what other place doesn't have and crime. people only say its bad because of what they hear

kaput
05-10-2006, 03:49 PM
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bspot
05-10-2006, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by DSMer4Life
In that time, I was mugged once, and had my car broken into twice. My dad's car had a window smashed and the neighbour's house was broken into once.



Other than these incidents, it has been a relatively quiet area to live in.

:rofl: That cracked me up :rofl:

"Other than my sister being murdered, it was pretty good"

bspot
05-10-2006, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Vietsta
i live in forest lawn and i personalty think it is a great place to live and i would not move any where else. yeah theres people in gangs and stuff down here but their not crazy and go up to your car and try to rob you. i honestly love living in forest lawn. but what other place doesn't have and crime. people only say its bad because of what they hear

Check the crime stats page the other guy posted :dunno:

Its definitely worse, its just a matter of if you care or not.

dericer
05-10-2006, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by kaput
I'm curious, for those of you defending the area despite having being mugged, seeing hookers, getting windows smashed, etc... have you ever lived in an area that isn't considered a slum by comparison? Doesn't being so desensitized to those events suggest that they have become just a regular part of everyday life?

Nope, but when visiting my cousin in Lake Bonavista about 15 years ago I got jumped, and about 7 years ago got into an altercation in Canyon Ghettos from a group of wanna be's.

Then in 1998 or so when visiting some friends at some high school at Anderson and Elbow (can't remember the name right now for some reason) I was confronted by some punks who tried to jump me. They were apparently from Midnapoverty.

Put it this way.

I went to West Dover Elem., Ian Baz Jr. High, and Forest Lawn S.H.

And only saw 1 actual fight (seen about 3-4 shoving matches), and that was at my junior high on Holy Cross property. Never was in one.

Never been jumped, or mugged. Infact DSMer4Life is the only person I know who's been mugged in Dover and his friend was just jumped in Forest Lawn the other day. That's the only two incidents I have ever known someone who got 'it' in any area.

None of my friends (many of whom I've known for 20+ years) have ever been in fights, ever had their homes broken into, or been stolen from.

I read somewhere that 3/4 theft crimes are committed by someone who know's you.

Basic human nature of greed, and violence are not unique to just one area of the city.

coujoe
05-10-2006, 04:20 PM
I remember posting a thread about this a b4 i moved in to forest lawn, only problem I've had so far was a drunk neighbor that plays music really loud one night, and 2 weirdo walking around the street ask for changes. haven't had my car broke in... i'm glad.

romanianmagic10
05-10-2006, 04:25 PM
I am Romanian and i moved to Canada 5 years ago. Try wakin around BUcharest ( the capital city) and havin junkies pop out of nowhere forcing their hands in your pockets, street dogs everywhere and the real deal gangbangerz doing drug deals at street corners with croocket cops. i lived there till i was 13 and believe me when i tell ya that, that do not go outside affter it get's dark crap doesn't fly there. You leave the front of your building alone and you eather get mugged or beat up or kidnaped for organs let me tell ya that when it comes to the standards from there Forestlawn would be like PumpHIll heir. But in a country where the government decides what rap muzik makes it to the radio stations because they do not want violence to be promoted i think we can do a lil better then junkies walkin around askin ya if you need anything or if you got a smoke or some spare change. Had enough of seein junkies past out in front of the coorner store sidewalk. I'de rather live in a nice cleaned up joint. As per house walues got a realestate in the familly i'm pretty sure i know what i'm talking about.

DSMer4Life
05-10-2006, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by kaput
I'm curious, for those of you defending the area despite having being mugged, seeing hookers, getting windows smashed, etc... have you ever lived in an area that isn't considered a slum by comparison? Doesn't being so desensitized to those events suggest that they have become just a regular part of everyday life?
Originally posted by bspot
:rofl: That cracked me up :rofl:

"Other than my sister being murdered, it was pretty good" I've never lived in another area to compare, but of course, I've visited family and friends in "better" areas. I'm sure the crime stats are lower, but you also have to consider how old most of these areas are. Some of these communties haven't even been around as long as I've lived in Dover. The occurrences I mentioned happened over a twenty-five year span. That's about one incident every five years. Not bad in my books. Live somewhere for that long and tell me no crime happens. It's a cycle as kids get older, turn mischeivious, then grow up. You may only experience one, or two unfortunate encounters if you only live in one place for a five year span.

And yes, it is a part of everyday life. Just this past Monday, a gentleman was hit over the head as he stepped out of our downtown office building at 11am. The attacker tried to get his wallet but was unsuccessful. So, it can and will happen anywhere. Don't you think most criminals know where the money is in the city? Would you loot a low-income area, or the Hamptons? And how about small town living in Medicine Hat with triple murders? No disrespect to the families involved. You get the point.

crazyning
05-10-2006, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by dericer



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


That's the biggest load I've read to date.

Dover is by far...I mean by far... one of the nicest communities in the area. Put it up w/ Southview.

I have never once seen a prostitute in my 27 years living there.

Thanks for the laugh.

What I find funny is that some people will defend a community to no end. I admit there are streets in Dover with respectable citizens.

Have you ever driven on 18th avenue or 19th avenue in the past 3-4 years? There are prostitutes standing out there in the middle of the day. How do I know they are prostitutes? They're just standing there in jeans and a bikini top. What's that? You say that's Forest Lawn? I say it's close enough....

Maybe my co-workers problem was limited to her area in the townhouses? It's enough for me to stay away.

googe
05-10-2006, 07:56 PM
okay, no one is saying that your life will end and all your neighbors are crack addicts if you move to forest lawn. but to argue that its just as bad as anywhere else is plain stupid. how many other areas of the city get funding to have neighborhood clean-up projects where they send someone by to help you clean your yard?

last time i drove through there, there were torn apart couches on lawns, garbage everywhere, and i literally had to dodge about 4 shopping carts sprawled out in the road. then when i got to where i was going, i saw about 5 more shopping carts tossed about in a playground. this is not normal. no, stray shopping carts never hurt anybody, but its evident driving through there that enough of the residents have a low standard of living. besides that, the "people only think bad stuff happens there cause thats what they hear" is kidding yourself. people hear about it there because it happens there. there arent many neighborhoods outside of downtown/beltline area that have prostitutes and corner crack dealings...

anyway, its not THAT bad, and as the guy from romania said, relative to the rest of the world theyd laugh at you for calling it a ghetto. but the area is, unarguably, worse than anywhere else in the city. as toma said, its prices reflect that, and yes they still appreciate in value a lot. it wouldnt be a bad investment, but it will be a little more work on your part.

Vertigo
05-10-2006, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Toma


Try to be serious?

ALL of Calgary has pretty well doubled.... houses go up as a percentage.....

If NW goes up 30%, chances are most the rest of the city does as well....

Forrest lawn houses I paid $98k to $125k are all over $260k

Yes that's true, however keep in mind 30% of $200,000 is a hell of a lot less than 30% of $450,000. The gap gets wider...that's why interest rates rise (but that's another topic ;) )

On this topic though, the original poster mentioned a condo purchase. Being a Realtor, I'd say if it's in your price range and you feel it's going to suit your purpose, go for it. It'll appreciate in value, the Lawn is being cleaned up, you have no maintenance to do yourself, and if you're lucky you'll get a lit/secure parking lot or underground parking. BTW, newer or older condo?

JordanLotoski
05-11-2006, 12:05 AM
do condo fees include a monthly bloody stabbing?

Vertigo
05-11-2006, 12:08 AM
I'm sure you could work something out.

Toma
05-11-2006, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Vertigo


Yes that's true, however keep in mind 30% of $200,000 is a hell of a lot less than 30% of $450,000. The gap gets wider...that's why interest rates rise (but that's another topic ;) )

On this topic though, the original poster mentioned a condo purchase. Being a Realtor, I'd say if it's in your price range and you feel it's going to suit your purpose, go for it. It'll appreciate in value, the Lawn is being cleaned up, you have no maintenance to do yourself, and if you're lucky you'll get a lit/secure parking lot or underground parking. BTW, newer or older condo?
interest rates rise with more expensive housing?? Huh?

Phuqu
05-11-2006, 04:30 PM
I live near the University and damn near everyday I have to put my garbage cans right side up. I'm sick of them being knocked over.

I'm seriously thinking of moving.

glennc
05-11-2006, 04:40 PM
Forest lawn is different then other places in calgary, but similar to others. There is a fair number of low-income families living there, but the area itself isnt half bad.

Although, just from drive-thru experiences there the police prescence in the area is much higher then say, crescent heights.

Rav4Guy
05-11-2006, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Toma


Try to be serious?

ALL of Calgary has pretty well doubled.... houses go up as a percentage.....

If NW goes up 30%, chances are most the rest of the city does as well....

Forrest lawn houses I paid $98k to $125k are all over $260k

lol.. for someone that lives.. and invests in FOREST LAWN.. not forrest lawn.... sure doesn't know how to spell it. lol.

Houses are worth however much someone wants to pay for it. Lots of people speculate "how much their house is worth" but until they sell it, people can pick numbers out from anywhere they want.

Vertigo
05-11-2006, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Toma

interest rates rise with more expensive housing?? Huh?

No, sorry. Feds increase interest to curb inflation. To be more clear what I meant was, during inflation the gap between the cheap stuff and expensive properties widens substantially. What tends to happen is as interest rates rise, the bigger properties lose a good chunk of their value (unobtainable) where the cheaper places see a larger demand as they aren't such a commodity.

Anyway, it's a gross generalization on my part but these interest rate hikes will slightly change the market.

slammed_cb7
05-11-2006, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by DSMer4Life
Don't you think most criminals know where the money is in the city? Would you loot a low-income area, or the Hamptons?

:werd: I live in a pretty respectable are of the SW and in the last couple of weeks there have been several bikes and a power wheels believe it or not stolen by what neighbours thought were landscapers. However is this 'serious' crime?? I have lived here for the past 15 or 16 years and never has a house or car been broken into, not shootings, stabbings, gangs or even drunk partiers out on the street. If you are used to the lifestyle of a lower class neighbourhood, i could see it being very entertaining at times, but if you are a rich pussy boy at heart, stick to where you are safe.

dino_martini
05-11-2006, 07:26 PM
I wouldnt want to live in Dover/Forest Lawn. There are nice communities in the SE they are just way far south.

Toma
05-13-2006, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by Rav4Guy


lol.. for someone that lives.. and invests in FOREST LAWN.. not forrest lawn.... sure doesn't know how to spell it. lol.

Houses are worth however much someone wants to pay for it. Lots of people speculate "how much their house is worth" but until they sell it, people can pick numbers out from anywhere they want.
Fuck off.... I have 2 degrees...neither of which is in how to satisfy some idiot with my grammar on an interent forum.

It si not speculation. Its based on what other similar properties sell for..... same as other places in the city.

Forest lawn is not some balck hole that follows a different set of rules....

dkdelrey
06-07-2006, 09:25 PM
You dont wanna live in S.E. area... youre not gonna get that much equity from your investment.... tust me i know some friends who ended up almost getting nothing out of their investments...

go check out the prices of houses there and in the other area... you will see the BIG difference. I would go in northwest... its peaceful, quiet, nice VIEW..... ideal to live.

dooman24
06-07-2006, 09:47 PM
Eh
forest lawn/penbrook isn't too bad
i lived here for.. 8 years?
only happened was.. 2 stolen bicycles..
car stolen once.. broke into once..
other hten that.. not to bad.. i mean.. there's more a few people walking around outside at like 2 or 3 AM.. but it's alright they don't bite lol compare at other neighborhood EMPTY at 2am lol

rockym20
06-08-2006, 08:59 AM
If Forest Lawn is all you can afford, and you go there knowing what it can be like, then by all means go for it. The crime is definitely worse than in some other areas of the city, but by no means unreasonable. But the fact is that when it comes to real estate, you are almost always better off in buying a smaller house/condo in a more desireable area than a larger house in a less desireable area.

Alex_FORD
06-11-2006, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by heavyD
I personally wouldn't live in the NE/SE if the house was free but that's because I've always lived in the NW and condsider anything east of Deerfoot a little substandard but that's me.


There's neighborhoods east of Deerfoot that are 10 times safer than some of the neighborhoods west of deerfoot. There's lot of other factors to consider, like: age of comunity, density of housing, average age of resident, etc.

Location within a community is pretty important, too. If you live close enough to a convenience store, you can expect more incidence of problems from the increased foot traffic. In contrast, every community has certain houses that never experience any problems. I think some of it is pure luck, but not all of it.

sl888
06-12-2006, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by dericer

I went to West Dover Elem., Ian Baz Jr. High, and Forest Lawn S.H.

haha I went to all those schools too!
Lived in Dover all my life!

Honestly there is hookers, drunks and druggies on 17th but you'll usually see them at night. It's not like you have to carry a gun or something everytime you walk down the street. Just at night time you might run into some not so good people. Other than that its fine. The area of course isn't as "nice" and shiet as other communities cause lets face it ITS OLD.

You people can think whatever you want. Shiet happens and MAYBE they do happen more in these areas but I call it home so it's good enough for me.

BTW I believe they are planning on building new condos right by 52nd and 17th.

CalgarySupra
06-25-2006, 01:58 AM
you people have to remember that the forest lawn are is a large, large area with every type of business on 17th ave. want a lambo? go there.


albert park/raddision heights is pretty much an uper scale community since its just east of downtown. if calgary is second in size (area) in canada, then damn it that area is prime realestate

where else do you get instant access to 17ave, deerfoot, memorial, downtown, blackfoot, ?

i am sick of people saying its ghetto. its not a ghetto. theres bad stuff everywhere. so what if i someone went to forest lawn high school as opposed to western?? big deal.

i lived in the southeast not in forest lawn but next to it.,(raddison heights)but i say forest lawn, and proud of it. go look at downtown 17th ave? all i see there is more bars there and people out 24 /7?

funny, why did westnet put wifi in forest lawn ? why did they put ZR auto there? why is every bussines on 17ave? do you people realize the location? what was kennsington in the 80s? a dump, crack whores, hoes, everything.