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eljefe
06-05-2006, 11:08 AM
LOS ANGELES (AFP) - New policies on prisoners being drawn up by the Pentagon will reportedly omit a key tenet of the Geneva Convention that explicitly bans "humiliating and degrading treatment."

Citing unidentified but knowledgeable military officials, the Los Angeles Times said the step would mark a further, potentially permanent, shift by the US government away from strict adherence to international human rights standards.

The decision could end a lengthy debate within the Defense Department but will not become final until the Pentagon makes the new guidelines public, the report said.

The State Department fiercely opposes the military's decision to exclude Geneva Convention protections and has been pushing for the Pentagon and White House to reconsider, the paper pointed out.

The Pentagon has been redrawing its policies on detainees for more than a year.

It intends to issue a new Army Field Manual on interrogation which, along with accompanying directives, represents core instructions to US troops around the world, The Times said.

The directive on interrogation, a senior defense official said, is being rewritten to create safeguards so that all detainees are treated humanely but can still be questioned effectively, according to the report.

Critics and supporters of President George W. Bush have debated whether it is possible to prove a direct link between administration declarations that it will not be bound by the Geneva Convention, and events such as the abuses at Abu Ghraib or the killings of Iraqi civilians last year in Haditha, The Times said.

Omitting the Geneva provisions may make it harder for the administration to portray such incidents as aberrations, the paper noted, saying it would also undercut contentions that US forces follow the strictest, most broadly accepted standards when fighting wars.

FivE.SeveN
06-10-2006, 12:46 AM
Can opened, worms everywhere. :nut:

b_t
06-10-2006, 01:01 AM
source?

TheShotgun
06-10-2006, 01:21 AM
You think maybe this is a ploy to deter more insurgents? Might be the same psychology used for people not wanting to go to jail in the first place..

l8braker
06-10-2006, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by TheShotgun
You think maybe this is a ploy to deter more insurgents? Might be the same psychology used for people not wanting to go to jail in the first place..

i doubt a revision like that will deter any insurgent. They just want to kill as many people as possible. Coalition, Iraqi army, civilians. Personally, someone who will fire an Rpg and or detonate a car bomb into a crowd of people, doesn't deserve to live and should be happy they will be fed, clothed by the jails there. Humilate away.

FivE.SeveN
06-10-2006, 01:45 PM
But the Geneva conventions apply to Rules of Warfare, and PoWs. *Technically* terrorists aren't soldiers, so the Geneva Convention doesn't apply. So, why the US is trying to change PoW treatment becomes a damn good question...

Probably because you *could* argue that terrorists/insurgents can be labeled PoWs, the US wants to remove that loophole for fair treatment. Scary though, it means they can do the same to any soldier of any country.

Geneva Convention shouldn't be fucked with IMO. US is setting one hell of a precident by saying 'nah we don't like this part, we'll do something else instead.'

eljefe
06-10-2006, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by b_t
source?

News Story on Yahoo supplied by AFP

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060605/ts_alt_afp/usmilitarytorture_060605124903