NA is best!

[iceburns288]

I just bought some new cats for my Z and I picked them up tonight. I didn't know this before I went, but the guy who sold them to me has the most powerful N/A Z in North America... 317whp!:eek:

I found this in the engine bay, I think EK had this in his sig:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/iceburns288/Image000.jpg

:D

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Hahaha, I love that graphic! :rofl:

I want this one:

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5870/0800stigus1qp.jpg

[dj_rice]

That decal sucks..mines better

[DonJuan]

^^^ :werd:

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by dj_rice
That decal sucks..mines better



Originally posted by DonJuan
^^^ :werd:


pffffft what do you know??...

Plus I have it on the back of my hatch so all the turbo guys/gals can read it hahaha...

[AllGoNoShow]

+2 for the N/A beasts :):)



I like the stig sticker :D


Get your bumper fixed yet their bud?

[khojaman]

once u go turbo u cant go back

[smontyLS1]

I went turbo, now I'm going V8. then maybe turbo or s/c V8 we will see

[AllGoNoShow]

Originally posted by smontyLS1
I went turbo, now I'm going V8. then maybe turbo or s/c V8 we will see


HAHAAH YESS! I know another buddy who is doing the exact same thing. The wonders of torque/power TOGETHER.

[95EagleAWD]

Originally posted by khojaman
once u go turbo u cant go back

Nah.

I'm enjoying a linear powerband for the first time in my life. It's rather nice to be able to mash the gas at 2000 rpm and not have to wait for anything and just have the car pull.

[M_K_3]

pshhh n/a is best :) lol, boost is for cars that are to slow n/a :) hahah *edit*

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by EK 2.0






pffffft what do you know??...

Plus I have it on the back of my hatch so all the turbo guys/gals can read it hahaha...

hope you have it on the front and written backwards, cause we'll only be seeing it in the rear view ;)

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by 403Gemini


hope you have it on the front and written backwards, cause we'll only be seeing it in the rear view ;)


Exactly what I was gonna say :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[7thgenvic]

going from N/A to boost was probably the best change ever...i just don't like how much gas my car eats! haha

[The Cosworth]

I like the stig sticker

as for n/a vs turbo, it depends on the car for me... ill have to wait till i have money, fucking uni hey

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by 403Gemini
hope you have it on the front and written backwards, cause we'll only be seeing it in the rear view ;)



Originally posted by dj_rice
Exactly what I was gonna say :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



I don't...but I there is still driver skill involved...hahaha...

[-Jay21-]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat
Hahaha, I love that graphic! :rofl:

I want this one:

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5870/0800stigus1qp.jpg

Gotta love stiggy. Can his sweat really be used to clean precious metals? :dunno: :rofl:

[The Cosworth]

He is afraid of loud noises, and he blinks sideways

[Lo)2enz0]

i hate that boost is better sticker. like why would they have a piston crossed out, was it designed for the rotory boys?

but NA is best. there is nothing like a high reving NA engine

[AllGoNoShow]

nah piston crossed out because turbos dont like them, keep melting them ;)

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by AllGoNoShow
nah piston crossed out because turbos dont like them, keep melting them ;)


uhhhmmmmm....no...

the piston represents bumped up Compression Ratio's....a must for hardcore N/A builds...not something you normally do for street driven Boosted Builds...

[Sharpie]

Originally posted by 403Gemini


hope you have it on the front and written backwards, cause we'll only be seeing it in the rear view ;)
You need that stage 2 kit first...;) :rofl:

[b_t]

Originally posted by EK 2.0



uhhhmmmmm....no...

the piston represents bumped up Compression Ratio's....a must for hardcore N/A builds...not something you normally do for street driven Boosted Builds...

the piston could also represent a bumped down compression ratio... a must for hardcore turbo builds... not something you normally do for any NA build

:poosie: :D

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by b_t
the piston could also represent a bumped down compression ratio... a must for hardcore turbo builds... not something you normally do for any NA build

:poosie: :D


shaddap!!:D

[h_s]

317hp z is that fastest n/a in north america??? :dunno: that must be wrong

[rc2002]

Originally posted by khojaman
once u go turbo u cant go back


I beg to differ. Out of N/A, Turbo, S/C, I hate turbo the most. It was the least reliable engine out of them all, and sucked to drive. No low end power, terrible response, and it always felt like it was going to break down. I don't have much faith in turbo.

NA FTW

[AllGoNoShow]

You don't bump up compression ratio for NA builds.


Ask people who have been in/beside my old Regal, that was just a minor build, pulled hella hard and made ample power for a cheap build and that compression was lower then some of you turbo honda guys.

[95EagleAWD]

Originally posted by h_s
317hp z is that fastest n/a in north america??? :dunno: that must be wrong

Can't possibly be... 911 GT3s, F430s, Enzos, Lambos, etc. are all NA engines.

[AllGoNoShow]

fastest n/a Z maybe

[cressida_pimpin]

Originally posted by 95EagleAWD


Can't possibly be... 911 GT3s, F430s, Enzos, Lambos, etc. are all NA engines.


key word "Z"

[95EagleAWD]

Originally posted by cressida_pimpin



key word "Z"

Sorry... couldn't read his fractured english... :rolleyes:

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by Sharpie

You need that stage 2 kit first...;) :rofl:

probably august once my visa is paid off.... :devil:

[FiveFreshFish]

Originally posted by richardchan2002



I beg to differ. Out of N/A, Turbo, S/C, I hate turbo the most. It was the least reliable engine out of them all, and sucked to drive. No low end power, terrible response, and it always felt like it was going to break down. I don't have much faith in turbo.

NA FTW

True. I found my bi-turbo throttle response really hard to get used to.

[h_s]

sorry my engrish is off abit, must be because im a stupic hick flames fan :rolleyes:

lol

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by h_s
sorry my engrish is off abit, must be because im a stupic hick flames fan :rolleyes:

lol

that certainly came from nowhere...

[DelSoln]

Originally posted by EK 2.0


Plus I have it on the back of my hatch so all the turbo guys/gals can read it hahaha...

Where did you get the decal from? :)

[3g4me]

Form my experience Na is best for people who cant come up with $ to get boost and ask questions like how can i get my car to 300hp with bolt ons? :eek:

[AllGoNoShow]

Then you must not have alot of experience because even I have been able to obtain that goal....

[3g4me]

Ya 1 paycheck at a time.

[iceburns288]

Originally posted by 3g4me
Form my experience Na is best for people who cant come up with $ to get boost and ask questions like how can i get my car to 300hp with bolt ons? :eek:
Most people who can afford a Z and build it NA can afford a turbo, they just have better taste, that's all.

[Teggy2nr]

Originally posted by 3g4me
Form my experience Na is best for people who cant come up with $ to get boost and ask questions like how can i get my car to 300hp with bolt ons? :eek: It cost a lot more to build a N/A car than it dose a turbo car there bud

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by Teggy2nr
It cost a lot more to build a N/A car than it dose a turbo car there bud

exactally, thats why i have mucho respect for those NA guys!

[alpha]

N/a FTW!!!1!!!

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

^^ I was just gonna say that... N/A is teh true pimpage.

[3g4me]

Ya if its done right, im talkiing about guys that talk shit because they cant afford boost. I know it costs more to Do N/A properly, but the fact is that not alot of people i know do it properly, most guys go get a intake and exhaust and say that N/A is best. Thats all im sayin. Not tryin to bash.:thumbsup:

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by 3g4me
but the fact is that not alot of people i know do it properly, most guys go get a intake and exhaust and say that N/A is best. Thats all im sayin. Not tryin to bash.:thumbsup:


then you don't know a lot of people...

[3g4me]

:rolleyes: ya... I should probably hang out with you and your 2L buddys im sure you could teach me a thing or 2 about how to get fast.

[Unknown303]

Oh this looks like it could turn into some flammage. NA FTW.:guns:

[1-Bar]

Originally posted by Teggy2nr
It cost a lot more to build a N/A car than it dose a turbo car there bud

perhaps for N/A cars to match power with a bolt on turbo kit....but if your going hard core na/turbo the bottom line should be similar but I'd give the edge to a turbo build. Your still buying all the same parts, just little variations here and there (ie. pistons, rods, headers....) Turbo guys still need money for a larger turbo, wastegate, intercooler, electronics....on top of N/A guys.


Oh here's more fuel to add to the fire:
http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127461

how many of those cars use slugs :dunno:

[alpha]

i think what everyones getting at is that the "per HP" price is much higher.

[finboy]

Originally posted by EK 2.0




pffffft what do you know??...

Plus I have it on the back of my hatch so all the turbo guys/gals can read it hahaha...

remind me, how many turbo cars have been behind you? ;)

na isn't bad if you have atleast 8 pistons, otherwise its just :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

[EK 2.0]

Originally posted by finboy
remind me, how many turbo cars have been behind you? ;)


Lots going the other way...hahaha...

[1-Bar]

Originally posted by alpha
i think what everyones getting at is that the "per HP" price is much higher.

sure, that's one way of looking at it.....I was thinking max power for an NA build vs. Turbo build...

[finboy]

Originally posted by 1-Bar


perhaps for N/A cars to match power with a bolt on turbo kit....but if your going hard core na/turbo the bottom line should be similar but I'd give the edge to a turbo build. Your still buying all the same parts, just little variations here and there (ie. pistons, rods, headers....) Turbo guys still need money for a larger turbo, wastegate, intercooler, electronics....on top of N/A guys.


Oh here's more fuel to add to the fire:
http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127461

how many of those cars use slugs :dunno:

hardcore boost guys can just crank the boost on a cheaper turbo for similar results, 30+ psi hx35 = fun and you can score those turbo's for $400 or less :D

[AllGoNoShow]

:D Holset H1E on M20 2.7L


http://www.666fab.com/holset.jpg

[1-Bar]

Originally posted by finboy


hardcore boost guys can just crank the boost on a cheaper turbo for similar results, 30+ psi hx35 = fun and you can score those turbo's for $400 or less :D

haha.....if that's your definition of hard core, I was thinking more on the lines of ^^^^

[Lo)2enz0]

http://img205.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/6/2/8/8/takumi8132-img600x450-1150862305p1000007.jpg

http://www.escic.com/CAinstall/ca-64.jpg


it is a hard choice between the 2. turbo's are fun, but reving the crap out of a na is freaking awsome

[b_t]

Originally posted by finboy


hardcore boost guys can just crank the boost on a cheaper turbo for similar results, 30+ psi hx35 = fun and you can score those turbo's for $400 or less :D

I really wish my holset would get here :D

[finboy]

Originally posted by Lo)2enz0
http://img205.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/6/2/8/8/takumi8132-img600x450-1150862305p1000007.jpg

http://www.escic.com/CAinstall/ca-64.jpg


it is a hard choice between the 2. turbo's are fun, but reving the crap out of a na is freaking awsome

rev = meh

my spirit was fun as hell and it had a redline of 5200 rpm, but maxing out a greddy boost guage makes it damn near impossible to wipe a smile off your face :burnout:

[Nix87]

Originally posted by Lo)2enz0
http://img205.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/6/2/8/8/takumi8132-img600x450-1150862305p1000007.jpg

http://www.escic.com/CAinstall/ca-64.jpg


it is a hard choice between the 2. turbo's are fun, but reving the crap out of a na is freaking awsome

Laurier, know whats the best of all.. engines that run ! :D :poosie:

[SilverBoost]

A stock spec v at best stock runs about 150 whp.

My car with a turbo kit runs 305whp at 10psi, and 275whp at 8psi.

The QR25DE has been built up by a few guys, but mostly for guys running 14psi+ on boosted apps. Built n/a blocks have yet to see over 200whp.

So yeah, n/a is good and all but it obviosuly depends on the application. You won't convince me to get rid of the forced induction anytime soon.

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by SilverBoost
A stock spec v at best stock runs about 150 whp.

My car with a turbo kit runs 305whp at 10psi, and 275whp at 8psi.

The QR25DE has been built up by a few guys, but mostly for guys running 14psi+ on boosted apps. Built n/a blocks have yet to see over 200whp.

So yeah, n/a is good and all but it obviosuly depends on the application. You won't convince me to get rid of the forced induction anytime soon.

damn man im quite impressed! never knew you were pushin that many ponies :thumbsup: