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Glowrider
04-12-2003, 02:52 PM
Wooo. Saw a black one driving the opposite way on the LIX, yesterday. Looked really sweet. A lot better than the press release photos. Anyone else seen one of these IRL? Opinions?

Fuji
04-12-2003, 03:11 PM
I saw a blk one last night... I would have spent my money where it was supposed to be 911 twin.

Ir looks pretty ugly still, but it is pretty rare so the Wow factor was there followed by a what a waste of money... IMO

kenny
04-12-2003, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Fuji
I saw a blk one last night... I would have spent my money where it was supposed to be 911 twin.

Ir looks pretty ugly still, but it is pretty rare so the Wow factor was there followed by a what a waste of money... IMO

Drive one! :) Heard it doesn't handle like conventional SUVs even Mr. Anti SUV (rage2) thought it was pretty nice.

rage2
04-12-2003, 03:21 PM
If I ever have kids, and my wife needs to drive the kids to soccer in an SUV, I'd buy the Cayenne. It's actually not bad.

But that won't happen anytime soon! :rofl:

kenny
04-12-2003, 03:32 PM
Or so you think... you seem to think you have a say in the matter!

calarina
04-12-2003, 04:02 PM
The Porsche Cayenne S has 450hp! Who the hell's gonna take that SUV into the woods and go 4 x 4ing? Haha, I still think that they're ugly, but it's odd that Porsche just decided: "Hey guys, lets make an SUV even though we don't even make a sedan!" :D

Ben
04-12-2003, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by calarina
The Porsche Cayenne S has 450hp! Who the hell's gonna take that SUV into the woods and go 4 x 4ing? Haha, I still think that they're ugly, but it's odd that Porsche just decided: "Hey guys, lets make an SUV even though we don't even make a sedan!" :D

yes, and amazingly it opperates incredibly well.

VW has HUGE R&D budgets, so for them to come out with something like that is no surprise, its been in the making for half a decade. 450hp and 460 tq is i'm sure plenty to get around the town and for the people owning one, perhapse they own a nice summer cottage on a lake where the versitility of the SUV would be appreciated instead of taking the 911TT. In any case, most people who buy SUV's just buy htem because, even people buying low budget SUV's rarely take them off road, so cost is not an issue, nor is power, its just another product catering to a specific class of people, and in My Opinion, they did that rather well.:)

kenny
04-12-2003, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by calarina
but it's odd that Porsche just decided: "Hey guys, lets make an SUV even though we don't even make a sedan!" :D

Its not really odd, it makes perfect business sense. Look at who is buying the high end SUVs. Its usually wealthy people that have plenty of money to spend. Even if 99.5% of people who buy SUVs don't take them off road, its a status symbol and if Porsche wants to stay alive they'll have to make some changes and I think they've made the right choice.

rage2
04-12-2003, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by calarina
The Porsche Cayenne S has 450hp!
Cayenne S has 340. The Turbo has 450. The top Audi version of it will have 500hp. The VW versions are 220 or so HP (not sure about the VW ones).

Fuji
04-12-2003, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by kenny


Drive one! :) Heard it doesn't handle like conventional SUVs even Mr. Anti SUV (rage2) thought it was pretty nice.

But I mean I never would have bought an SUV based on the premise of exceptional handling. I and I am sure many others would buy one on:

1. BLING
2. BLING BLING
3. Space
4. Looks

I just think it is ugly. It probably handles like no other SUV, but I wouldn't buy one based on how well it handles or if I track my vehicles. :dunno: I would just buy a acr or wagon if I required family towing capabilities and a balance of Performance...

CRXguy must know something he is not telling :devil: :D

And Rage - I am pretty sure we don't have a say ... We were pretty much all accidents... hhahaa:eek: :rofl:

Ben
04-12-2003, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by rage2

Cayenne S has 340. The Turbo has 450. The top Audi version of it will have 500hp. The VW versions are 220 or so HP (not sure about the VW ones).

They are using the the 3.2-liter V6 found in the Golf R32, but this version was slightly detuned and offers 220bhp and 223 lb-ft of torque. For now, the top U.S. engine is VAG's 4.2-liter V8 with 310 bhp and 302 lb-ft of tq.

Diesels are comming.

Killumanti
04-12-2003, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Ben


They are using the the 3.2-liter V6 found in the Golf R32, but this version was slightly detuned and offers 220bhp and 223 lb-ft of torque. For now, the top U.S. engine is VAG's 4.2-liter V8 with 310 bhp and 302 lb-ft of tq.

Diesels are comming.


Ben, you got a site where I can find more bout that VW?

Killumanti
04-12-2003, 06:18 PM
Guess I missed it on the VW website.
it actually looks nice, and its diesel :clap:


Vehicle type front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 5-door wagon
Base price $39,500 US
Engine type DOHC 32-valve 4.2-liter V-8
Power (SAE net) 310 bhp @ 6200 rpm
Transmissions 6-speed auto
Wheelbase 112.4 in
Length 187.2 in
Curb Weight 5550 lb
EPA fuel economy, city driving 15 mpg

Ben
04-12-2003, 06:18 PM
heres a great resource


http://www.vwvortex.com/news/01_03/NAIAS/touareg/index.shtml

Killumanti
04-12-2003, 06:46 PM
nice, thanks.

4wheeldrift
04-12-2003, 07:41 PM
I've seen a black one so far. I'm not wild about how it looks personally, like a 911 that was stretched vertically. I'd imagine it hugs corners like crazy and goes like snot though.

Coryz
04-12-2003, 07:47 PM
yea i would have to agree the front end just doesnt do it for me, if i was going to go SUV it would have to be the Escalade ;)

ZorroAMG
04-13-2003, 03:51 AM
The Cayenne looks like someone took a 911TT, stretched it vertically on Photoshop and the execs saw it and said build it....i think it's ugly and a terrible shape...

Speed_Dreams
04-13-2003, 09:20 PM
All it is is a Jacked up 911 Turbo with 4 doors and a hatch. its Cool but who really needs a 450hp SUV?....who really needs an SUV:tongue:

Glowrider
04-13-2003, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Speed_Dreams
All it is is a Jacked up 911 Turbo with 4 doors and a hatch. its Cool but who really needs a 450hp SUV?....who really needs an SUV:tongue:

That's like asking "who really needs a 911 Turbo?". No one does, but it's really cool if you can afford it. :thumbsup:

ConVict
04-13-2003, 09:54 PM
Its different and people will always pay big buxs to be different. Look at it this way, did Mr.T's gold chains do anything. No they were probably the reason the bastard got cancer. But he sure was different .. Am I right or what haha:dunno:

Glowrider
04-13-2003, 10:06 PM
Look at it this way, did Mr.T's gold chains do anything. No they were probably the reason the bastard got cancer. But he sure was different .. Am I right or what haha

LOL. Mr. T kicks ass! Remember the A-Team? Every episode was the same thing...

"I ain't gettin in a plane wit dat crazy foo!"

"I ain't flyin Hannibal!"

Ben
04-13-2003, 10:45 PM
Wheres Mikko anyways? :D

Redlyne_mr2
04-14-2003, 10:11 AM
Ugly ass hell Porsche should have never sold out to the SUV market