I guess you win some and you lose some!!

[LUDELVR]

Okay, I guess here's the first win for tonight. I basically raced two 240's and one win and one loss!! haha, anyway, first race, well, wasn't really a race, the winner I guess was the guy who could get traction!! It was a red 240 with an sr20det and like I said, it was wet off the line haha, but I was the one who got traction and all was good, but in hindsight, when we were giving it down the street, he was in front and I was turning behind him and I was slowly catching up...maybe cuz we were approaching a red light, who knows!! :dunno: haha.

2nd race:
Oh shit!! A white silvia!! hahah, any guess to which car this was? Anyway, we raced on mcknight at a roll from around 60 or so and I was in front for a few seonds until this Skud missle of a car rocketed by me! I shut the race down at around 180 as were both ready to turn and in the end, he was around 6 cars ahead of me. I think from a stop it might have been different!! hahaha I guess it doesn't help that the guy driving both the cars is my boss and in the end, I didn't want to make him look bad so I lost just to keep my job!!:rolleyes: :confused: haha but yah, his white 240 is s fucking beast!!! I'm sure that he is running mid 13's at least!! His best is a 13.9 but he's done a few other mods and the way that that thing flew, it had to be at least mid to low 13's!! Good Ol' Autodream!!!! hahahaha

[nismodrifter]

the GTP needs MORE POWER :D

Cut some more holes in the CF hood and you should be killin S14's:D:rofl:

[LUDELVR]

Originally posted by nismodrifter
the GTP needs MORE POWER :D

Cut some more holes in the CF hood and you should be killin S14's:D:rofl:

hahaha, man, I should dump all my tools on the side of the road next time!! hahaha but yah, that thing's a monster man! I give props to wynn for creating such a beast! I'm like 100% positive that his car will be pulling mid to low 13 second time slips this season!!!:thumbsup:

[max_boost]

Wow!
The SR20det powered 240's really haul ass!!!

Have you raced that punk in the blue WRX yet? If you can beat him, that means you will most definitely beat stock S2000's cause not even my 7000RPM launch can pass that fcuker! haha

[LUDELVR]

Originally posted by max_boost
Wow!
The SR20det powered 240's really haul ass!!!

Have you raced that punk in the blue WRX yet? If you can beat him, that means you will most definitely beat stock S2000's cause not even my 7000RPM launch can pass that fcuker! haha

dude, who races from a launch? I mean really? :rolleyes: hahahahaha, I know I would if I knew how the fuck to do it!! All I get is fucking wheel hop if I just pop the clutch like I used to in N/A mode so I need to really find a way to launch this puppy!!!! Cuz if I don't, that WRX is gonna own me off the line...oh wait, he'll own me either way cuz of that damn awd!!! hahahaha:rofl:

[max_boost]

Originally posted by LUDELVR


dude, who races from a launch? I mean really? :rolleyes: hahahahaha, I know I would if I knew how the fuck to do it!! All I get is fucking wheel hop if I just pop the clutch like I used to in N/A mode so I need to really find a way to launch this puppy!!!! Cuz if I don't, that WRX is gonna own me off the line...oh wait, he'll own me either way cuz of that damn awd!!! hahahaha:rofl: LOL I know!
haha
The punk is fcuking fast off the line!

From a roll, story might be different......I'm just waiting for the weather to clear up so I can exact some revenge haha:guns: :rofl:

[buh_buh]

shit, summer's almost here!!! I want to join in on the fun.

[LUDELVR]

Originally posted by buh_buh
shit, summer's almost here!!! I want to join in on the fun.

shit man, I'm telling yah, this thing is fucking fast! I'd say AMG fast now and you rememer how well we did against the AMG!! :rolleyes: hahahaha but yah, can't wait to see half the cars that will be out this summer!! It's gonna be insane!!:thumbsup:

[ExtremeSi]

Was that red 240 an '89 by chance? completely stock on the outside (even hubcaps...ect.) I'm wondering if its my friend's, Tony. He just got an SR20 put in and ya its pretty quick. And he hasnt learned how to launch yet. I got him off the line.:dunno:

[LUDELVR]

Originally posted by ExtremeSi
Was that red 240 an '89 by chance? completely stock on the outside (even hubcaps...ect.) I'm wondering if its my friend's, Tony. He just got an SR20 put in and ya its pretty quick. And he hasnt learned how to launch yet. I got him off the line.:dunno:

no man, it's an earlier one, something closer to 2000, kinda like wynn's car! It has those sticker testarossa vents on the side!! haha, but nice front mount intercooler. The car is pretty quick too, it's got a blitz blow off valve and I think stock nissan rims...I can't remember. I think the guy who owns it is named peter.:dunno:

[kenny]

Hahah shit, this summer is gonna be crazy! so many damn fast cars! can't wait to see em all, should be fun! =) I need to get a piece of that red GTP hehe.

[LUDELVR]

Originally posted by kenny
Hahah shit, this summer is gonna be crazy! so many damn fast cars! can't wait to see em all, should be fun! =) I need to get a piece of that red GTP hehe.

haha, I don't think that you have much to worry about!! This car is not gonna be in the 13's.........at least I don't think it will!!:confused: :confused: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I'm just joking! There's no way in hell this car is in the 13's!!! But don't worry, once I see you pulling ahead of me, I'll bump your rear end so you spin out!!:thumbsup: :rofl:

[shadowz]

Ive said it once ill say it again Leo youre an idiot I should kill you

[theken]

Well i know for sure kenny's car is fast, had a go with him a while back on mclaeod, got smoked, then a taurus sho came flying by. i think i know what 240 you are talkin about, turbo sounds nutz blow off valve is like the bird noise one (i dont know what it is called) :dunno:

[kenny]

Originally posted by theken
Well i know for sure kenny's car is fast, had a go with him a while back on mclaeod, got smoked, then a taurus sho came flying by.

The fun didn't even start until the lights by Anderson Station hehe :devil: I had to show that SHO that I wasn't really going earlier on Macleod in case he thought he won haha... I'm such an ass oh well. :rofl: It was fun and he was a nice guy :thumbsup:

[2000impreza]

damn... i think leo has met his match... no more slow ass mustangs hey?

[Redlyne_mr2]

Crazy man...the streets of Calgary are turning into a JDM fantasy..damn I wish I was around this summer it's going to be a good time

[4G63Power]

Originally posted by shadowz
Ive said it once ill say it again Leo youre an idiot I should kill you

So much hostility :dunno:


... I think it's time to release the Orange beast
:thumbsup:

[LUDELVR]

Originally posted by 2000impreza
damn... i think leo has met his match... no more slow ass mustangs hey?

fuck man, wasn't even a match!!! hahahaha It was like going up against a fucking Skud missle or something! Shit, I felt like I was in Bhagdad!!!:nut: :nut: :rofl:

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by LUDELVR


haha, I don't think that you have much to worry about!! This car is not gonna be in the 13's.........at least I don't think it will!!:confused: :confused: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I'm just joking! There's no way in hell this car is in the 13's!!! But don't worry, once I see you pulling ahead of me, I'll bump your rear end so you spin out!!:thumbsup: :rofl:

What mods have you done to the GTP? I know I can beat stock ones but wouldnt mind seeing how bad I lose to modified ones.

Had a funny race a few months ago, before we got some snow. There was this dude in a GTP and another in a Camaro SS spinning them at the lights getting ready to race. I gave my car a rev to let them know that I wanted in and the guy in the GTP rolled down his window, laughed at me and said "don't bother". I ignored him, light hit green and the Camaro started fish tailing all over as he wasn't getting traction. The GTP and I both had a ton of torque steer and less traction but once we got the tires to stick I blew him away only to be passed quickly by the Camaro...at least I made the dude in the GTP eat his words.. ;-)

I like those GTPs though, nice cars and a ton of potential

[LUDELVR]

Originally posted by speedyalero


What mods have you done to the GTP? I know I can beat stock ones but wouldnt mind seeing how bad I lose to modified ones.

Had a funny race a few months ago, before we got some snow. There was this dude in a GTP and another in a Camaro SS spinning them at the lights getting ready to race. I gave my car a rev to let them know that I wanted in and the guy in the GTP rolled down his window, laughed at me and said "don't bother". I ignored him, light hit green and the Camaro started fish tailing all over as he wasn't getting traction. The GTP and I both had a ton of torque steer and less traction but once we got the tires to stick I blew him away only to be passed quickly by the Camaro...at least I made the dude in the GTP eat his words.. ;-)

I like those GTPs though, nice cars and a ton of potential

haha, sorry man, my car's not a grand prix! It just got renamed that when I slapped the turbo on it!! haha, it's actually a prelude or moreover...a Ghetto Turbo Prelude!! hahahaha but yah, I don't mind the actual GTP's. I like the wide look but they're just too freaking heavy!!

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by LUDELVR


haha, sorry man, my car's not a grand prix! It just got renamed that when I slapped the turbo on it!! haha, it's actually a prelude or moreover...a Ghetto Turbo Prelude!! hahahaha but yah, I don't mind the actual GTP's. I like the wide look but they're just too freaking heavy!!

:dunno: ooops, my bad.

Sorry, saw GTP and thought that perhaps thats what you had. Turbo Lude? Cool.

[LUDELVR]

Originally posted by speedyalero


:dunno: ooops, my bad.

Sorry, saw GTP and thought that perhaps thats what you had. Turbo Lude? Cool.

no prob man, but I never thought that an alero was fast?? :dunno: You say that you beat a grand prix gtp. Man, that's interesting, I'd like to see your alero!! haha I always thought they were pretty slow, I guess it's cuz I've never seen one race before!! :thumbsup:

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by LUDELVR


no prob man, but I never thought that an alero was fast?? :dunno: You say that you beat a grand prix gtp. Man, that's interesting, I'd like to see your alero!! haha I always thought they were pretty slow, I guess it's cuz I've never seen one race before!! :thumbsup:

Well, I have dumped about 5K into performance mods and more to come including a turbo. :devil:

[LUDELVR]

Originally posted by speedyalero


Well, I have dumped about 5K into performance mods and more to come including a turbo. :devil:

hahah, I figured as much cuz I took a look at the spec sheets and it seems like the hp figures are pretty low at around 150 and that doesn't seem like it's enough to beat a gtp considering that the alero isn't that light either!! I also didn't think there was much in terms of after market support for that car!haha, anyway, nice work man, look forward to seeing you on the streets!!:thumbsup:

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by LUDELVR


hahah, I figured as much cuz I took a look at the spec sheets and it seems like the hp figures are pretty low at around 150 and that doesn't seem like it's enough to beat a gtp considering that the alero isn't that light either!! I also didn't think there was much in terms of after market support for that car!haha, anyway, nice work man, look forward to seeing you on the streets!!:thumbsup:

Yeah thats the 4cyl model. The 6cyl model (which is what I have) is basically the same as a Grand Am GT.

But yeah, the car is heavy so I need to lighten it and aftermarket parts are hard to find so I have had to have a lot custom fabbed which is why the bill is so high so far. I am sure my turbo set up will cost me close to 5K as well but it should be worth it.

[ancient]

Leo, if you want to reduce wheel hop, get some energy suspension motor mounts..... I've heard from alot of people it makes a huge difference. All tho at idle your car vibrates a lil more.

[shadowz]

Originally posted by ancient
Leo, if you want to reduce wheel hop, get some energy suspension motor mounts..... I've heard from alot of people it makes a huge difference. All tho at idle your car vibrates a lil more.

Just picked them up yesterday!:thumbsup:

[max_boost]

Originally posted by speedyalero


What mods have you done to the GTP? I know I can beat stock ones but wouldnt mind seeing how bad I lose to modified ones.
I like those GTPs though, nice cars and a ton of potential


Since when can a Alero beat a stock Grand Prix GTP which is supercharged with 240hp and 280llbs torque? Correct me if I am wrong....

[ancient]

Hahh perfect.

[Hollywood]

I drove a GTP supercharged, I found it to be the worst sports car I ever drove it was slow, and the worst body roll. eww.

Also I had a 6cyl alero rental (auto) I bagged the shit out of it, and for an auto, pedal pinned to the floor it shifted at redline everytime!

[CRXguy]

Looks like I gotta stop by AutoDream sometime. ;) :rofl:

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by max_boost



Since when can a Alero beat a stock Grand Prix GTP which is supercharged with 240hp and 280llbs torque? Correct me if I am wrong....

Since that Alero is almost 200HP at the wheels. :devil:


But you are right a stock Alero would lose to a GTP hands down. There is actually a lot of potential for those cars given the right parts and the right work.

[CRXguy]

Interesting......

[2000impreza]

Originally posted by speedyalero


Since that Alero is almost 200HP at the wheels. :devil:

lets see some dyno charts....

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by 2000impreza


lets see some dyno charts....

You will very soon. Gettting a new underdrive pully installed and will be dynoing after that. I do have an old dyno that shows 160WHP but that was before some of my newer mods.

Pics of the head work are at www.entrenchtech.com/carporn

[max_boost]

Oh ok.....I see.....looks like you should race that punk in the blue WRX.....

[ancient]

How heavy is an alero?

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by max_boost
Oh ok.....I see.....looks like you should race that punk in the blue WRX.....

Right now I think a WRX would eat me. But, after I get some boost it might be a fun race.

[Initial-D-Nerd]

LUDELVR, congrats on ur kill, but i only have to ask one thing to speedyalero, why dump a shitload of cash into an alero?? :dunno: , or is there reasons i dont know of to chose an alero. anyways, hope to see u at the track LUDELVR. laters

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by ancient
How heavy is an alero?


Something like 2900LBS so freakin heavy!

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by Initial-D-Nerd
LUDELVR, congrats on ur kill, but i only have to ask one thing to speedyalero, why dump a shitload of cash into an alero?? :dunno: , or is there reasons i dont know of to chose an alero. anyways, hope to see u at the track LUDELVR. laters

Why not?

Seriously, what do you drive and why is it so much better? I like the looks and the performance/handling of a stock Alero so I bought one and improved on it. The nice thing as well is that no one expects it to be fast so its a cool sleeper type car.

[SplineZ]

why drop money into a civic? or a sentra? or a camaro?

FOR FUN! :)

Alot of GM cars are clones.. Grand Am/Alero, Cavalier/Sunfire, etc

An alero being a lil but more unique then a GA..



JZ

[JustinL]

2900lbs seems optimistic for the Alero... I could be wrong.

[SplineZ]

Originally posted by JustinL
2900lbs seems optimistic for the Alero... I could be wrong.

2950lbs for coupe, 3008lbs for the sedan

right off GM's website

JZ

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by JustinL
2900lbs seems optimistic for the Alero... I could be wrong.

from the Oldsmobile web site - http://www.oldsmobile.com/alero/features/specifications.htm

Curb Weight (lbs.)(GL) 2950

[hjr]

thats pretty light for a big sedan.

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by hjr
thats pretty light for a big sedan.

Well, its not really a big sedan. It is considered a mid-sized but the 2 door isn't all that much bigger than an RSX or Mitsu Spyder

[ZorroAMG]

Originally posted by speedyalero



Something like 2900LBS so freakin heavy!

Must be nice..lol 2900lbs is my car without the engine and after being anorexic for 10 yrs...hahaha...

My MB is 3900 lbs...what a porker!!!! Oh the humility of an overweight car with 2nd gear start tranny.....my off the line accel is a little less than blistering :nut:

Oh well i still lover her....plus I hear the FI train coming...WHOOOO WHOOOO!!

[ZorroAMG]

BTW LEO, sorry to hijack your thread

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by speedyalero


Right now I think a WRX would eat me. But, after I get some boost it might be a fun race.
You think it would eat you...:confused:

[B18C]

Originally posted by ancient
Leo, if you want to reduce wheel hop, get some energy suspension motor mounts..... I've heard from alot of people it makes a huge difference. All tho at idle your car vibrates a lil more.

Z10 Traction bars. Eliminate wheel hop and no extra vibrations.

Man I think I want a peice of this GTP!

[ancient]

B18C explain more on these bars.... what exactly are they.

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2

You think it would eat you...:confused:

Yeah thats what I said. I know nothing about this car that everyone is talking about other than it is blue and is a WRX. So, until I actually see the car or someone tells me what it is putting to the wheels then yes, I *think* it would beat me. From the subaru web site;

Horse Power 227 @ 6000 RPM

Torque (ft.lbs.) 217 @ 4000 RPM

that tells me that if it is a stock Imprezza WRX (which are the stats I have posted) it would be a close race. But something tells me that this car everyone is talking about isn't stock....

[B18C]

Originally posted by ancient
B18C explain more on these bars.... what exactly are they.

z10 radius arms (http://hybrid2.honda-perf.org/tech/z10.html)

[LUDELVR]

Originally posted by B18C


Man I think I want a peice of this GTP!

Hey man, don't step....I got a little bit of JRSC in my car ya know...after all, you're the donor!!;) ;) :rofl: :rofl:

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by szw
So what is the stock ratings of the V6 alero?

170HP and 200FT/LBS

[LUDELVR]

Originally posted by speedyalero


170HP and 200FT/LBS

so exactly do you have done to your car now? You said you had about 160 wheel hp?

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by LUDELVR


so exactly do you have done to your car now? You said you had about 160 wheel hp?

Instead of typing this again here it is;

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13592&highlight=speedyalero

My goal before adding boost is going to be minimum 200HP.

[LUDELVR]

Originally posted by speedyalero


Instead of typing this again here it is;

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13592&highlight=speedyalero

My goal before adding boost is going to be minimum 200HP.

Soo.....with those mods that you've listed and having a stock 170 fly wheel hp, you are now up to 200 Wheel hp? So you essentially gained over 50 wheel hp from those mods? Man, if that's the case, why'd I go turbo?:dunno: Something to me just doesn't add up

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by LUDELVR


Soo.....with those mods that you've listed and having a stock 170 fly wheel hp, you are now up to 200 Wheel hp? So you essentially gained over 50 wheel hp from those mods? Man, if that's the case, why'd I go turbo?:dunno: Something to me just doesn't add up

The headwork alone is good for almost that. I'll post some dyno results in a few weeks -- I am waiting for my TB and MAF to come in before I head down.

I want turbo because the superchargers available for my platform suck ass. Plus not too many guys have strapped a turbo on a 3.4 so I thought I would try. NOS is in the plans as well but only for track use obviously. I said my goal is 200WHP before I do any boost -- I think it is entirely possible with the mods I have left to do.

This is part of why I like the Alero so much -- everyone here is doubting it and that is cool -- feel free to do so. I will post dyno results once I get them and I will post a timeslip from the track. Hopefully, that will be enough to prove my claims. :D

Not to mention that this car is still my daily driver and runs great.

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by szw
Just make sure you post it all up! over 50whp for 5 grand must be like a magical engine!

Well lets see.

Headers - $1400
Cylander Headwork - $2500
Exhaust - $800
SA Pullies - $130
FFWD Pullies - $120
CAI - $340
MISC Parts $250

So I am just over the 5500 mark.

[legendboy]

Originally posted by speedyalero


The headwork alone is good for almost that

BAH! YA, OK! I'm sorry guy, theres no way thoes mods you have done so far are going to net you even close to 50whp, I think your going to be very disapointed when you dyno your car....

[Hollywood]

Originally posted by legendboy


BAH! YA, OK! I'm sorry guy, theres no way thoes mods you have done so far are going to net you even close to 50whp, I think your going to be very disapointed when you dyno your car....

Since the thread is jacked;

I don't think it's that far out of reach. He'll get 30 for sure. I'm assuming one of the pullies is a crank pulley?

I guess one of the main factors is if your engine is not designed to be performance out of the box in the engineering of the motor doing the regular mods is not going to yield the power one would expect or want because your mods all have to go through you engine in the end in, which your engine design could be the bottle neck.

Here is some dialog of a manufactors meeting discussing thee low/mid entry vehicles "we want an engine for this car to be peppy but not expensive to make so we can sell the car for a good price". So things get sacrificed or designed around being cheaper.

Now here is some dialog of a manufactors meeting discussing the performance vehicles "K go with the 3 angle valve job stock, How much are the sodium filled exhaust valves going to cost us?"

K thanks bye.:nut:

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by legendboy


BAH! YA, OK! I'm sorry guy, theres no way thoes mods you have done so far are going to net you even close to 50whp, I think your going to be very disapointed when you dyno your car....

Just because various imports don't see a heck of a lot of gains from things like cylander head work doesn't mean good ol domestic motors don't.

So tell me, seeing how you are an expert on the GM 3.4 platform, what would shaving the heads, replacing springs, valves, and major PnP work by arguably the best machinest in Calgary do for me?

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by speedyalero


Just because various imports don't see a heck of a lot of gains from things like cylander head work doesn't mean good ol domestic motors don't.

So tell me, seeing how you are an expert on the GM 3.4 platform, what would shaving the heads, replacing springs, valves, and major PnP work by arguably the best machinest in Calgary do for me?

Sorry to post twice but here is a dyno sheet from a car -- identical setup as mine (at the time) when the TOG Headers were installed.

This proved that the TOG headers give 19HP at the wheels.

[max_boost]

Hey speedyalero......you should come out to some of the meets and have some friendly runs with us......by the sounds of it, you have done some work on your car and it should be pulling down some good times/numbers

[Toms-Celica]

Where do I get in on these friendly runs? :)

[RGAGT]

I will agree with speedalero about the horse power numbers he is gaining the factory heads and exhaust manifolds are very restrictive from the factory . How else can you explain a 30hp difference between a alero and a montana it's the same motor but the montana comes with 200hp at the flywheel and the alero comes with 170 my gt came with 175hp/205ft/lbs only dyno'd at 136hp at the wheels but will reach higher numbers in the near future and there is a turbo charged v6 alero running around in the state and turning mid 13's at the track


Ya don't have to be a honda to be fast

[CRXguy]

I'm up for some friendly runs. I'm done with them S2K's for now. :rofl:

[B18C]

Originally posted by LUDELVR


Hey man, don't step....I got a little bit of JRSC in my car ya know...after all, you're the donor!!;) ;) :rofl: :rofl:

I see you are putting my FPR to good use :thumbsup:

[RSeXy]

Originally posted by CRXguy
I'm up for some friendly runs. I'm done with them S2K's for now. :rofl:


you better be! you two are trouble from the start!!!

:rofl:

[T5_X]

Although I think 50whp isn't a conservative guess by any means, I think it's possible with the mods.

Hey speedyalero, does your fan run off a belt? If not, an electric fan can give you a few extra horses.
I'd suggest the larger rad as the next mod.

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by Ranger_X31
Although I think 50whp isn't a conservative guess by any means, I think it's possible with the mods.

Hey speedyalero, does your fan run off a belt? If not, an electric fan can give you a few extra horses.
I'd suggest the larger rad as the next mod.

Yeah the fan is belt ran. Anyone know a good place to get a larger aluminum rad made? I am also thinking about ripping out the air conditioner all together as one less pully and less weight would be a good thing.

[T5_X]

Originally posted by speedyalero


Yeah the fan is belt ran. Anyone know a good place to get a larger aluminum rad made? I am also thinking about ripping out the air conditioner all together as one less pully and less weight would be a good thing.

With underdrive pulleys it means anything run off the belt gets less power, including the fan, which means less cooling. An e-fan will give you extra power because it will be better at cooling than the belt ran fan.

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by Ranger_X31


With underdrive pulleys it means anything run off the belt gets less power, including the fan, which means less cooling. An e-fan will give you extra power because it will be better at cooling than the belt ran fan.

Yeah, I am experiancing cooling issues right now -- it doesn't overheat but it is running warm which we all know isn't good. Thanks for the tip, I'll look into that.

[theken]

Originally posted by CRXguy
I'm up for some friendly runs. I'm done with them S2K's for now. :rofl: and a probe

[legendboy]

Originally posted by speedyalero


Just because various imports don't see a heck of a lot of gains from things like cylander head work doesn't mean good ol domestic motors don't.

So tell me, seeing how you are an expert on the GM 3.4 platform, what would shaving the heads, replacing springs, valves, and major PnP work by arguably the best machinest in Calgary do for me?

I'll believe it when I see it.

[LUDELVR]

Well, it's just that you said that :


Originally posted by speedyalero
Since that Alero is almost 200HP at the wheels. :devil:


So I was assuming that you already had the 200hp to the wheels...unless I'm missing something! :dunno: In any case, I'm still skeptical that any engine will make 50 wheel hp with a port and polish. I don't doubt that you can make any car fast, but realistically, if this were the case, then virtually everyone would be in line for a simple port and polish to gain 50 wheel hp...either that or waiting in line to buy an alero. Well, I guess anyone with a domestic would also be waiting in line cuz honda's don't gain even close to that much and that's with supporting mods too...but then again, imports are different!! :confused: So I'm sure that you can see why most of us are questioning your claims. A lot of people come on here and say "I'm gonna have this much hp" or "this same set up on mars was capable of producing 5000 hp and because of Earth's gravatation pull, I'll be getting an extra 50%!!" Well, maybe not the second one so much, but you get the point.

[three.eighteen.]

so alero basically = grandam right?

[max_boost]

Originally posted by CRXguy
I'm up for some friendly runs. I'm done with them S2K's for now. :rofl: We'll see from 100-150......if you can take me out, I rest my case:rofl:

Everything else beyond 150 is just speculation and theory:rofl:

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by three.eighteen.
so alero basically = grandam right?


V6 Alero GLS = Grand Am GT

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by LUDELVR
Well, it's just that you said that :



So I was assuming that you already had the 200hp to the wheels...unless I'm missing something! :dunno: In any case, I'm still skeptical that any engine will make 50 wheel hp with a port and polish. I don't doubt that you can make any car fast, but realistically, if this were the case, then virtually everyone would be in line for a simple port and polish to gain 50 wheel hp...either that or waiting in line to buy an alero. Well, I guess anyone with a domestic would also be waiting in line cuz honda's don't gain even close to that much and that's with supporting mods too...but then again, imports are different!! :confused: So I'm sure that you can see why most of us are questioning your claims. A lot of people come on here and say "I'm gonna have this much hp" or "this same set up on mars was capable of producing 5000 hp and because of Earth's gravatation pull, I'll be getting an extra 50%!!" Well, maybe not the second one so much, but you get the point.

Well, I don't have 200HP at the wheels YET, but I will be there very soon and without any boost. Perhaps 50HP is a bit generous of an estimate, but I made that claim based on the proven 19WHP that a simple set of headers gives.

Everyone questioning my claims is good, its half the reason why I am souping up this car because no one will ever believe that it is fast. Not to mention the point that Rick made, you buy a "performance/sport sedan" and you won't see a heck of a lot of gains from things like PnP (BTW, mine wasn't a simple PnP it was very in depth and very well thought out and done by someone very skilled). But, you take a car that was intended to be your family mid sized type vehicle and simple things like increasing airflow have great effects.

There are Grand Am GTs and Alero's (not many granted) that run in the 13s down south... The reason you don't see people lining up to buy these cars is because parts/mods are hard to find. But, that will be changing soon as my car is the test platform for a company that will be mass marketing performance parts for the 3.4 among other platforms.

[max_boost]

I think I be pretty close to 200whp! haha

[Hollywood]

Originally posted by LUDELVR
A lot of people come on here and say "I'm gonna have this much hp" or "this same set up on mars was capable of producing 5000 hp and because of Earth's gravatation pull, I'll be getting an extra 50%!!" Well, maybe not the second one so much, but you get the point.

Yea good point Lude.

But speedy I was kinda backing you up, you will get 30 for sure and more just not sure how much more. Thing about dyno is they are sometimes not accurate and can be biased, also here in calgary you put out 5% less horse power too, and usally 1 second'ish slower in the 1/4 mile.

[speedyalero]

Originally posted by Hollywood


Yea good point Lude.

But speedy I was kinda backing you up, you will get 30 for sure and more just not sure how much more. Thing about dyno is they are sometimes not accurate and can be biased, also here in calgary you put out 5% less horse power too, and usally 1 second'ish slower in the 1/4 mile.

Yeah I hear you about the dyno results. When I first dynoed my car it was horrible, I was a total newb didn't know shit not even the correct weight we were off by about 800LBS on the weight and I know that can make a difference. Not to mention I had a spark plug wire loose and my cooling has gone to shit.... :banghead:

[ThreePly]

You also have to remember that most imports are 4 cyclinder. By that virtue, the manufacturers try to get as much horse power as possible out of an engine because it is only 4 cylinders. With a 3.4litre 6 cylinder that speedy has, the engine's full potential hasn't been extracted in order to keep costs low(which basically means it's a domestic). This is why there's so much gain when putting simple bolt ons and doing port polishing and head work. 50whp is a lot, don't get me wrong. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see 50 extra flywheel horsepower. Also have to remember it's easier getting gains(not percentage gains) out of larger displacement engines than it is say a 4 cyclinder.

just my 2 cents