Poll: If A Referendum On Gay Marriage...Vote For Or Against?

[toyboy88]

Hey all,

Long story short, doing a sort of research/study/essay/paper for social studies/political studies at school. Just wanna see some opinions about the topic used as the example.

Question: Basically if there was a referendum held by the federal government as of today, would you vote for or against gay marriage rights?

**Please make it your honest opinion/vote would help a ton!

If you wanna remain anonymous that's fine and just vote...but it'd be great as to see some personal opinions/reasons as to why or why not you would vote a certain way. Try and make valid reasons as to support your "vote" (ie. not just OMG! gay is gross or YES! all rights for all people kinda thing, etc. etc.)

Thanks for the input/opinion. :)

PS. gosh...i have alot of homework/exams lately :cry: LOL

[soupey]

im surprised against is getting a headstart so fast

guys think about it, it boils down to darwin being at work...haha,

maybe jus anohter way to solve overpopulation in the long run?:dunno:

[GTS Jeff]

Are you in high school? I would think that any university educated student would know the most basic principles behind collecting research data, of which one is eliminating confounding variables. In this case, since you are conducting research for a FEDERAL referendum, why would you do it on a website that is based in Calgary, which by and large has some of the most ig'nant Canadians around?


Another problem: Beyond is mostly populated by kids that don't know shit. Could half the punks here even vote in a referendem? :rofl:

[toyboy88]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
Are you in high school? I would think that any university educated student would know the most basic principles behind collecting research data, of which one is eliminating confounding variables. In this case, since you are conducting research for a FEDERAL referendum, why would you do it on a website that is based in Calgary, which by and large has some of the most ig'nant Canadians around?


Another problem: Beyond is mostly populated by kids that don't know shit. Could half the punks here even vote in a referendem? :rofl:

YUP...grade 12. And ya i know if u only "survey" one region in a federal referendum, your going to get biased voting of course (ex conservative values = alberta). im just using this as an "test/sample" thing to gather so points. Ya its hard to explain but this isn't the actual question that is for the big marks LOL. and it's like a sidetrack to support data relating to stereotypes, voting tendances/patterns, population, social/economic conditions swaying votes, etc. So it's just for more of a "project" you could say. Like i said hard to explain/understand haha.

[hjr]

this board is almost only male, which skews results as well.

that said, i assume you are using this as off the record information to give you and idea of this very narrow demographic.


now on to fairies....

Who cares if they get married? I certainly dont. It in NO way effects me.

IMO marriage should be a civil union. You get married by signing a contract with a judge or lawyer or whoever. THEN!!! (before or after) you can have the ceremony at your respective church or family backyard. The ceremony of marriage should be split with the contract of marriage. This way it doesnt matter if the couple is gay or not. and no one could force religions to perform marriages they dont want to.

where does this go wrong?

[95EagleAWD]

The State should have no legal way to block gay marriage.

The Church certainly can.

I'm not gay, so it doesn't affect me at all. Let 'em marry.

[hussein]

Against.

An interesting poll would be: "Should gays/lesbians be allowed to adopt children?" or "Should lesbians be allowed to use sperm donations?"

GL with your assignment.

[Khyron]

Not a big fan of voting for policies that don't affect me, but oppress others...

Khyron

[BerserkerCatSplat]

I find it interesting that more people that support gay marriage are willing to speak out about it (ie post which way they voted) than those against.

Just an observation. I voted "for", BTW.

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat
I find it interesting that more people that support gay marriage are willing to speak out about it (ie post which way they voted) than those against.

Just an observation. I voted "for", BTW. Perhaps an inverse relationship exists between being articulate and being ig'nant? ;)

[Crymson]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
Perhaps an inverse relationship exists between being articulate and being ig'nant? ;)

QFT!

It's a simple matter of freedom, in a free society, we should be free to do what ever the shit we want, so long as it doesn't inflict any detriment on others.

I don't agree with smoking weed , should it be illegal? No -- but i still wouldn't do it if it was legal.

Do i want to marry a dude? No -- but it doesn't bother me if someone else does.

Do i wear a seatbelt? Yes -- but the government shouldn't ticket me for not wearing one, as it's my own life in danger.

Think about all the things that you do, that may be viewed as wrong or bad by another sector of society, but doesn't affect them in any way, and decide how you would feel if that was deemed "illegal", especially personal things like marraige and sex.

If our society was 60% mormon, alcohol would be illegal. If our society was 60% jewish, pork would be illegal. If our society was 60% fitness fanatics, fries and donuts would be illegal. Since our socieyt seems to be 60% bigots, gay marraige is illegal.

I believe that a church should absolutely be able to deny two gay men to be married in their church, that's their call, but if 2 gay men what to have all the rights afforded to them as a tradionally married couple, then they should.

I hold an ethos of Libertarianism quite dear, and sometimes that falls on the conservative side of the spectrum (ecomomically) and on the liberal spectrum socially. The goverment should be small, and shouldn't tell me what to do.

[01RedDX]

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[sputnik]

The biggest problem that I have with the "gay rights" movement is the fact that they will say they want "equal rights" as heterosexual couples and call this a "human rights" issue.

BUT ITS NOT.

All gay people have the same rights at straight people. This is not like Mississippi in 1950. There arent "straights only" bus seats, water fountains and washrooms. In terms of "rights" gays have everything that straight people have.

What gays REALLY want is "gay benefits". They want spousal tax benefits, insurance benefits and legal benefits. Its VERY different and you will notice that you can no longer bark up the "human rights violation tree". Wanting equal benefits is fine by me, just dont skew your claims to make it sound like gays dont have any "rights". As for marriage. Other than the benefits, for the secular society it is nothing more than a public expression of a couples (straight or gay) commitment to each other.

By removing the "human rights" argument we quash the ability for other more extreme cases to make human rights claims against their desire to be in poly or pedo relationships.

[l8braker]

Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
The State should have no legal way to block gay marriage.

The Church certainly can.

I'm not gay, so it doesn't affect me at all. Let 'em marry.

Agreed. I could care less what 2 adults do.

[nos_efx]

When you guys say it doesn't affect me, does that mean you are ok with it?

The reason I ask is, the fact that you legalize something does it not indicate that society has accepted this and that nothing is wrong with it?

So if your kids grow up and are more exposed to such things would that not affect there judgement somewhere down the road as to what sexuality they should be? IE: Would they not be more pre-disposed to being gay? Would this be acceptable for those of you who say it does not affect me?

Just a question, please dont flame me :dunno:

[Toms-SC]

I voted 'no'.

[Tik-Tok]

I bet if you changed the question to "Would you support Lesbian marriage" the results would be different :rofl:

[hjr]

Originally posted by nos_efx
So if your kids grow up and are more exposed to such things would that not affect there judgement somewhere down the road as to what sexuality they should be? IE: Would they not be more pre-disposed to being gay?
Just a question, please dont flame me :dunno:

are people more likely to be gay having seen a gay? i dont think that there is much evidence to support that, rather that sort of logic generally is derived from individuals that are scared of gays and are concerned that contact w/ them will make someone they know or love gay. The problem being, as mentioned before, there is no evidence to support this conclusion.

as such, no I am not concerned that my 'kids' will be gay due to contact with a gay.

[nadroj23]

Originally posted by nos_efx
When you guys say it doesn't affect me, does that mean you are ok with it?

The reason I ask is, the fact that you legalize something does it not indicate that society has accepted this and that nothing is wrong with it?

So if your kids grow up and are more exposed to such things would that not affect there judgement somewhere down the road as to what sexuality they should be? IE: Would they not be more pre-disposed to being gay? Would this be acceptable for those of you who say it does not affect me?

Just a question, please dont flame me :dunno:

you do make a very good point on that it could affect some people down the road. ya you dont care cause it has nothing to do with you "now". i guess everything changes with time.

I voted against it just based on the fact of my beliefs, the way i was brought up in church.

But i do understand all the points that were brought up, i do see how it is an humans right to marry....

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
I bet if you changed the question to "Would you support Lesbian marriage" the results would be different :rofl:

I support that 200%, but only for the type lesbianism I learn from porn. :rofl:

Seriously, I vote yes on gay marriage. Why not make them suffer too?

[QuasarCav]

Sure, Let the fags get married.

[joyridder]

^^^haha made me chuckle

Not that I completely support Gay Marriage because I believe in the traditional unions of the opposite sex. But I do think that times have changed and the values and morals of say our parents time are not a reflection of today's environment. You can't stop "change" from happening, so therefore I support the right to choose.

[Envitro]

Well, I love people that say if you see it more out there than you might be more inclined to be gay yourself... Are you friggin' serious? That's such an ignorant thing to say.

Think about it this way and ask yourself this question? Do you love cock in your mouth? Are you attracted to Brad Pitt, etc.? (pretty graphic examples, but I'd hope you can appreciate the illustration that I'm trying to make)

If the answer is no to both questions then you're not gay and you will never be gay!

I can never be attracted to a man or want to have sex with one, so why would allowing two gay people to marry have any effect on me or my children (if I had any)??

Scientific research is indicating that they are close to proving that being homosexual is a genetic predisposition/mutation, so those rednecks that say "I'm ok with gays, as long as they don't try to recruit my kids" are way out to lunch. You can't recruit people to be gay.

That's a ludicrous thought.

My 2 cents. So, I voted yes.

[nadroj23]

^^ yes thats what i was going to post, you see it around more and more in our time then our parents i think. ie will and grace? richard hatch? lol just some examples, its all around our society now and i do think that with time this wont be an issue but i still believe as of right now i am against based on my beliefs, but again things change as well as my beliefs can too :).

i also think they should another thing to vote for "Not for or against" because i bet alot of people would fall in this category.

This is for joyridders post :)

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Envitro
You can't recruit people to be gay.


You're forgetting the Emo-factor :rofl:

[nos_efx]

Originally posted by Envitro
Well, I love people that say if you see it more out there than you might be more inclined to be gay yourself... Are you friggin' serious? That's such an ignorant thing to say.

Think about it this way and ask yourself this question? Do you love cock in your mouth? Are you attracted to Brad Pitt, etc.? (pretty graphic examples, but I'd hope you can appreciate the illustration that I'm trying to make)

If the answer is no to both questions then you're not gay and you will never be gay!

I can never be attracted to a man or want to have sex with one, so why would allowing two gay people to marry have any effect on me or my children (if I had any)??

Scientific research is indicating that they are close to proving that being homosexual is a genetic predisposition/mutation, so those rednecks that say "I'm ok with gays, as long as they don't try to recruit my kids" are way out to lunch. You can't recruit people to be gay.

That's a ludicrous thought.

My 2 cents. So, I voted yes.

Thanks for the response. I don't think its an ignorant thing to say, I do not think they are coming close to linking homosexuality directly to genetics, perhaps its more of a mental thing.

If you pre-dispose a child to a certain environment, they will tend to learn and adopt values from that environment. If children are brought up in a home where their father was abusive to their wife there is a good chance that the child will also follow in this fashion.

The point is that you may not be affected by this now, but perhaps your child may be.

[Cruz]

Pierre Trudeau said it best, "The government has no place in the nation's bedrooms" before his government passed legislation decriminalizing homosexuality.

Having said that, it doesn't go to the real issue mentioned above, which is their right to be legally married with the same rights and benefits as heterosexuals.

I have yet to hear a non-secular based argument against it.

[heavyD]

The definition of marriage: the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.

If the union is not between a man & a woman it's not a traditional marriage. Simple as that. I don't hate gays in fact I am sympathetic as they can't help that they are essentially borderline retarded by the fact that they were born with improper mapping in their brain. However IMO the whole gay marriage thing is a farce. All it is doing is creating more loathing & hate towards gays in the big picture. You want to sleep with a same sex partner, no problem. Do it in private so I don't have to explain to my kid that the two men on TV getting married on TV is okay because it's not, as homosexuality is not a natural act of nature.

FYI: Of course I voted no & I garentee that I will never change my stance on this one no matter what anyone says in defense of it.

[DepTrotter]

too many fors

theres something wrong with you people here

a vagina was made for a penis

an asshole was made to shit

end of story

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by DepTrotter

a vagina was made for a penis
an asshole was made to shit
end of story

So any woman who likes it up the ass is gay?


And food for thought for other naysayers.

When it comes down to it, if you aren't religious, marriage is only a contract between 2 people saying if you fuck around on me, I'll take your stuff.

The government is going about it the right way (finally) imo, the church won't have to marry gay people, AS IT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGION, which is their right, but the government will still have to finalize the contract between the 2 said parties who want to marry.

[DepTrotter]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


So any woman who likes it up the ass is gay?


And food for thought for other naysayers.

When it comes down to it, if you aren't religious, marriage is only a contract between 2 people saying if you fuck around on me, I'll take your stuff.

The government is going about it the right way (finally) imo, the church won't have to marry gay people, AS IT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGION, which is their right, but the government will still have to finalize the contract between the 2 said parties who want to marry.

any woman that is taking it in the ass, is directly counteracting the sacrament of love which is obviously opening pandoras box

can you seriously justify seeing two guys kissing or holding hands?..

when i see that shit i gringe, it makes me sick to my stomach... not only is it wrong but naw fuck that shit is just wrong :guns:

[nos_efx]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


So any woman who likes it up the ass is gay?


And food for thought for other naysayers.

When it comes down to it, if you aren't religious, marriage is only a contract between 2 people saying if you fuck around on me, I'll take your stuff.

The government is going about it the right way (finally) imo, the church won't have to marry gay people, AS IT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGION, which is their right, but the government will still have to finalize the contract between the 2 said parties who want to marry.

Wasn't our government and its rights and laws based on religion? :dunno:

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
When it comes down to it, if you aren't religious, marriage is only a contract between 2 people saying if you fuck around on me, I'll take your stuff.

If that's your veiw of marriage I suggest you stay single. It's easy for someone that hasn't made the commitment of marriage to mock it or say it doesn't affect me so I don't care if gays get married. It's like spending big dollars on a Ferrari for the exclusivity and commitment and finding out that Ferrari just rolled out a line of cheap Civic-like economy cars. It cheapens the whole experience.

[sputnik]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
So any woman who likes it up the ass is gay?


Someone watches too much porn.

[The Cosworth]

I vote for.. but I think that they should have their own clause in the constitution, not be called married but have the same rights.... that way they still have full rights, but it doesnt seem like Man/Woman marriage is no more.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by heavyD


If that's your veiw of marriage I suggest you stay single. It's easy for someone that hasn't made the commitment of marriage to mock it or say it doesn't affect me so I don't care if gays get married.


I AM married. I'm not mocking it, I'm stating the facts. That big speech you give when you're at the alter... it's your half of a binding contract. I'm not saying there isn't more involved (such as love) but from a law (IE government) point of view, that's all it is. A contract.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by sputnik


Someone watches too much porn.

Lol, haven't been with very many women have you?

[abyss]

I voted yes on the basis that they should be able to enter into civil unions and get the same benefits/tax priveledges as married hetero couples, however, only on the basis that the church, as well as individual commissoners have the right to refuse service if it doesn't fall within their personal or religious beliefs.

[heavyD]

Another thing is that beyond is populated primarily by minority races and it's natural for a minority group to be more sympathetic towards another minority as they relate. The voting in this thread by no means represents the majority of Canadians that would vote against it.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok



I AM married. I'm not mocking it, I'm stating the facts. That big speech you give when you're at the alter... it's your half of a binding contract. I'm not saying there isn't more involved (such as love) but from a law (IE government) point of view, that's all it is. A contract.

I don't say this often to a guy but I feel sorry for your wife if all it means to you is a contract.

[DepTrotter]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


Lol, haven't been with very many women have you?

ok so can i assume you are gay then?

cuz you're talking like anal is a walk in the park

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by heavyD


I don't say this often to a guy but I feel sorry for your wife if all it means to you is a contract.

Apparently you don't know how to read

quote=me I'M NOT SAYING THERE ISN'T OTHER THINGS INVOLVED (SUCH AS LOVE) /quote

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by DepTrotter


ok so can i assume you are gay then?

cuz you're talking like anal is a walk in the park

:rolleyes: No, and grow up.

[DepTrotter]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


:rolleyes: No, and grow up.

don't tell me to grow up when you cant back up your viewpoints and your obviously un-educated comments

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by DepTrotter


don't tell me to grow up when you cant back up your viewpoints and your obviously un-educated comments

This coming from someone whose opinions are based upon "But that shit's just wrong!"

Pot
Kettle
Black

[DepTrotter]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat


This coming from someone whose opinions are based upon "But that shit's just wrong!"

Pot
Kettle
Black

thats my opinion, are you telling me im wrong?

that shit is wrong!.. wait.. thats not even an opinion .. its a fact

[wainr]

Originally posted by heavyD
Another thing is that beyond is populated primarily by minority races and it's natural for a minority group to be more sympathetic towards another minority as they relate. The voting in this thread by no means represents the majority of Canadians that would vote against it.

I dont agree with that.. I find ALOT of minorities to be very homophobic and anti gay.. just my experience.. :dunno:

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by DepTrotter


don't tell me to grow up when you cant back up your viewpoints and your obviously un-educated comments


Please, inform me of which comments were un-educated. If you're talking about my reference to marriage as being a contract. Here's a quote from the Merriam-Webster dictionary of Law

Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: 'mar-ij
Function: noun
1 : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law —see also DIVORCE

ERGO, in the eyes of the LAW (the law being the GOVERNMENT), marriage is a CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP.

Christ you people are redneck, and this is coming from a guy who owns a mustang.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by DepTrotter


that shit is wrong!.. wait.. thats not even an opinion .. its a fact

Oh, really? Facts can be proven, so prove that homosexuality is wrong. Go ahead, and keep in mind that religious texts are not considered "proof" by any scientific body.

[finboy]

Originally posted by hjr
this board is almost only male, which skews results as well.

that said, i assume you are using this as off the record information to give you and idea of this very narrow demographic.


now on to fairies....

Who cares if they get married? I certainly dont. It in NO way effects me.

IMO marriage should be a civil union. You get married by signing a contract with a judge or lawyer or whoever. THEN!!! (before or after) you can have the ceremony at your respective church or family backyard. The ceremony of marriage should be split with the contract of marriage. This way it doesnt matter if the couple is gay or not. and no one could force religions to perform marriages they dont want to.

where does this go wrong?

this is the correct answer :thumbsup:

[DepTrotter]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat


Oh, really? Facts can be proven, so prove that homosexuality is wrong. Go ahead, and keep in mind that religious texts are not considered "proof" by any scientific body.

ok tom cruise

tell me about that spaceship that will be salvation for all scientologists

[heavyD]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat


Oh, really? Facts can be proven, so prove that homosexuality is wrong. Go ahead, and keep in mind that religious texts are not considered "proof" by any scientific body.

I'll prove it. Nature scientifically is simply a cycle of reproduction. Homosexuality is an abnormality the prevents reproduction. The day a species turnes completely homosexual is the beginning of the end as that species will cease to exist. It is wrong. As I said before I am sympathetic to them as misfits & don't hate them. I just don't agree with it because it is naturally wrong.

[finboy]

Originally posted by Crymson

Do i wear a seatbelt? Yes -- but the government shouldn't ticket me for not wearing one, as it's my own life in danger.


the tricky part there is that if there are other passengers in the car with you and you got in an accident, your body flying around the car could injure others.

[finboy]

Originally posted by DepTrotter


ok tom cruise

tell me about that spaceship that will be salvation for all scientologists

seriously?
give up man, you aren't bringing any usefull arguments to the table other then petty insults.


Originally posted by heavyD


I'll prove it. Nature scientifically is simply a cycle of reproduction. Homosexuality is an abnormality the prevents reproduction. The day a species turnes completely homosexual is the beginning of the end as that species will cease to exist. It is wrong. As I said before I am sympathetic to them as misfits & don't hate them. I just don't agree with it because it is naturally wrong.

quick question for you, do you and your wife use any form of birth control? because that prevents reproduction, and there for isn't natural

[heavyD]

Originally posted by finboy
quick question for you, do you and your wife use any form of birth control? because that prevents reproduction, and there for isn't natural

You can't group popluation control with homosexuality. In nature some species will eat their own kind if overcrowing occurs we just do it differently. Nice try though.:rolleyes:

[echo_04]

i'm a lesbian itself, and to me. everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they want. WE are all human beings. i dont have any problems with people who are against. Marriage is only the PAPERS.there's situations were a couple has been married for 20 something years and they end up separating.

[5.0]

heavyD is on the ball...

I agree with him 100%

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by heavyD


I'll prove it. Nature scientifically is simply a cycle of reproduction. Homosexuality is an abnormality the prevents reproduction...

You can't group popluation control with homosexuality. In nature some species will eat their own kind if overcrowing occurs we just do it differently.





While these are good points, how many other other species mate for life?

It's estimated as much as 15% of mammals are monogomous for life, it's also estimated as many as 10% of the population are gay.

Although these are 2 statistics having nothing to do with eachother, does 5% make the difference between what is natural and what is unnatural?

[sputnik]

Originally posted by echo_04
i'm a lesbian itself

:rofl:

what is that supposed to mean?

[DepTrotter]

Originally posted by echo_04
i'm a lesbian itself, and to me. everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they want. WE are all human beings. i dont have any problems with people who are against. Marriage is only the PAPERS.there's situations were a couple has been married for 20 something years and they end up separating.

http://www.ephatch.com/forum/images/smilies/pics2.gif

[01RedDX]

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[heavyD]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
While these are good points, how many other other species mate for life?

It's estimated as much as 15% of mammals are monogomous for life, it's also estimated as many as 10% of the population are gay.

Although these are 2 statistics having nothing to do with eachother, does 5% make the difference between what is natural and what is unnatural?

Hey Hey. You're combining two arguments. You said to prove homosexuality was wrong and I did. Murder is wrong, does the fact that a certain percentage of the population will do it make murder right? The fact that you say 10% of mammals are gay only shows that mental retardation is spread throughout nature due to the complexities involved in reproduction much like defective products that can come from even the best assembly lines. Nothing in this world is perfect but that doesn't change what is right and what is wrong.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by 01RedDX


Just like PMS and personality disorders, it is a hormonal imbalance. It is a deviation from the norm, but it is not "unnatural" in the sense that they teach themselves to behave that way.

PMS is not a sexual behavior and people that have anxiety, etc. issues are not mentally retarded.... Next.:rolleyes:

[nos_efx]

Originally posted by heavyD


Hey Hey. You're combining two arguments. You said to prove homosexuality was wrong and I did. Murder is wrong, does the fact that a certain percentage of the population will do it make murder right? The fact that you say 10% of mammals are gay only shows that mental retardation is spread throughout nature due to the complexities involved in reproduction much like defective products that can come from even the best assembly lines. Nothing in this world is perfect but that doesn't change what is right and what is wrong.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by heavyD


I'll prove it. Nature scientifically is simply a cycle of reproduction.


That is a gross oversimplification of ecological systems and cycles, but that's really beside the point.



Homosexuality is an abnormality the prevents reproduction. The day a species turnes completely homosexual is the beginning of the end as that species will cease to exist. It is wrong. As I said before I am sympathetic to them as misfits & don't hate them. I just don't agree with it because it is naturally wrong.

Indeed, a non-technological species turning 100% homosexual could, in theory wipe out the species - however, that's something that's complete postulation and really doesn't have much to do with the issue at hand. If lesbian couples can be fertilized by a sperm donor, I don't see the human race going extinct any time soon, even is everyone suddenly becomes gay.

Hundreds of animal species have been observed engaging in homosexual and/or bisexual behaviour, that is nothing new. Are animals becoming epidemically homosexual, with entire species disappearing due to buttsex? I think not. Homosexuality is, as far as I'm concerned, a random genetic mutation. It's not wrong, just different. Scientists have yet to nail down the cause for absolute certain, but I think we'll see repeatable evidence within 10 years.

So, in my opinion, some things can't be classified as "wrong" because they go against the conventional norm. I know you don't like it, and I'm not going to even try to change your mind - I know you're a stubborn guy and very firm in your beliefs. And that's just fine as well.

So, until scientists can prove whether homosexuality is genetic (and therefore created by Nature), it's really impossible to prove that it's "wrong" or not.

[szw]

crazy, i didn't think the younger generation would be so close minded.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by heavyD


Hey Hey. You're combining two arguments. You said to prove homosexuality was wrong and I did. Murder is wrong, does the fact that a certain percentage of the population will do it make murder right? The fact that you say 10% of mammals are gay only shows that mental retardation is spread throughout nature due to the complexities involved in reproduction much like defective products that can come from even the best assembly lines. Nothing in this world is perfect but that doesn't change what is right and what is wrong.


You're basing your arguments on what nature does, is what is "right", that's why I mentioned monogomy. At this point we're just going completely off-topic from the original question.

Would you deny marriage between 2 neo-nazi's? Between 2 bi-polar people? Between 2 people of different race? Between 2 people born with only 1 leg each?

Whether it be by complete mental choice, OR by nature's fuck-up, what right do the rest of us have to tell 2 people in love that they cannot be married?

[DepTrotter]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat


That is a gross oversimplification of ecological systems and cycles, but that's really beside the point.



Indeed, a non-technological species turning 100% homosexual could, in theory wipe out the species - however, that's something that's complete postulation and really doesn't have much to do with the issue at hand. If lesbian couples can be fertilized by a sperm donor, I don't see the human race going extinct any time soon, even is everyone suddenly becomes gay.

Hundreds of animal species have been observed engaging in homosexual and/or bisexual behaviour, that is nothing new. Are animals becoming epidemically homosexual, with entire species disappearing due to buttsex? I think not. Homosexuality is, as far as I'm concerned, a random genetic mutation. It's not wrong, just different. Scientists have yet to nail down the cause for absolute certain, but I think we'll see repeatable evidence within 10 years.

So, in my opinion, some things can't be classified as "wrong" because they go against the conventional norm. I know you don't like it, and I'm not going to even try to change your mind - I know you're a stubborn guy and very firm in your beliefs. And that's just fine as well.

So, until scientists can prove whether homosexuality is genetic (and therefore created by Nature), it's really impossible to prove that it's "wrong" or not.

good points

but how come you have such a strong view on this subject?.. just to argue or do you honestly believe what you are saying?..

I dont think they will ever be able to prove scientifically that homosexuality is genetic, therefore its by choice..

contrary to popular belief, you are NOT BORN gay.. i don't even understand how you can justify that you were born that way and had no choice, homosexuality is becoming more mainstream then it has ever been, more people are "coming out of the closet" because society is telling them its ok, but its not ok, like heavy d said, homosexuality is detromental to our society as it goes against the norm, it seems people want to be gay to say EFF YOU to the world.... they choose where to stick it,

like what i dont understand is how a man can want to rub his stuble against another mans when kissing?.. like i just cant picture it, its so grotesque to even imagine, theres a reason why a man and a female are only able to repoduce, its natural adaptation, thats the way the world was formed, and thats how it was meant to be!

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by szw
crazy, i didn't think the younger generation would be so close minded.

Don't forget, this IS Alberta, socially we're the closest thing to America that Canada has, and their last election was won by this very question.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by DepTrotter

like what i dont understand is how a man can want to rub his stuble against another mans when kissing?.. like i just cant picture it, its so grotesque to even imagine,


This I agree with 1000%, but it's not up to what we think is gross to deny other people rights and priveleges.

[slick2404]

married yeah sure why not. adopts kids no.

[DepTrotter]

the reason 2 people are to get married is to start a family and continue reproduction, since when is it the right for someone to decide they would rather stop the chain of reproduction for their selfish needs (sexual fulfillment)....

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by DepTrotter
the reason 2 people are to get married is to start a family and continue reproduction, since when is it the right for someone to decide they would rather stop the chain of reproduction for their selfish needs (sexual fulfillment)....


It's their right since we live in a free society. It's also the full right of any married (opposite sex) couple to choose to NOT have children.

[DepTrotter]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok



It's their right since we live in a free society. It's also the full right of any married (opposite sex) couple to choose to NOT have children.

yeah but at least they are playing an active role in our society by participating in the holy sarcament of matrimony

[snowboard]

Originally posted by heavyD

I don't hate gays in fact I am sympathetic as they can't help that they are essentially borderline retarded by the fact that they were born with improper mapping in their brain.

wow.
I cant even believe you would say that...
I hope you never have kids, your some kind of piece of shit man..

I voted for. it has nothing to do with any of you (unless your gay) and like envitro said, you cant recruiit kids to be gay. its just easier for them to come out of the closet now and be happier cause they are accepted and not shunned and beat.

If i ever saw someone hassling someone because they were gay, i would take the assault charges like a champ after i beat the piss out of them..

[lint]

Originally posted by DepTrotter


yeah but at least they are playing an active role in our society by participating in the holy sarcament of matrimony

explain how being married without kids = active role in society?

you're saying at least they're married, cause they're married.

And if you have sex without the intent to reproduce, then all you're doing is satisfying your own selfish desires for sexual fullfilment. Unless of course, you're interested in openly admitting on beyond that you're a virgin.

[01RedDX]

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[jjolg]

i would say no.
i have no problem (ok, minimal problems) with equal rights, tax breaks and stuff like that, but marrage leads to kids, and that would seriously mess up a kids head.
daddy, can i do this...go ask your other daddy son...
that is so so wrong. that is asking to have a gay kid, or at least an emotionally challenged kid.
not good

[DepTrotter]

Originally posted by lint


explain how being married without kids = active role in society?

you're saying at least they're married, cause they're married.

And if you have sex without the intent to reproduce, then all you're doing is satisfying your own selfish desires for sexual fullfilment. Unless of course, you're interested in openly admitting on beyond that you're a virgin.

naw im tryna make a baby but im shooting blanks yoh!

[l8braker]

Originally posted by slick2404
married yeah sure why not. adopts kids no.

That's another excellent point, what do you say to Gay couples that wish to Adopt? No doubt they might be great parents, but what happens when little Sally goes off to school and her peers hear about her two Moms or Dads?

[403Gemini]

I dont see why they SHOULDNT be allowed to get married? How does it impact me at all if they can or cannot?

So why not give them that right? :dunno:

[lint]

Originally posted by DepTrotter


naw im tryna make a baby but im shooting blanks yoh!

So then you must be saying that when you have a baby, that you're going to stop having sex until you decide to have another kid. Otherwise, that would be selfish and sexually fullfiling

[heavyD]

Originally posted by snowboard
wow.
I cant even believe you would say that...
I hope you never have kids, your some kind of piece of shit man..


Sorry. I thought that I may offend some mentally retarded people. Don't get me wrong I don't hate you because you are a retard.:poosie:

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[lint]

Originally posted by l8braker


That's another excellent point, what do you say to Gay couples that wish to Adopt? No doubt they might be great parents, but what happens when little Sally goes off to school and her peers hear about her two Moms or Dads?

Sally says "I have 2 moms/dads that love me"

The end.

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by heavyD


I'll prove it. Nature scientifically is simply a cycle of reproduction. Homosexuality is an abnormality the prevents reproduction. The day a species turnes completely homosexual is the beginning of the end as that species will cease to exist. It is wrong. As I said before I am sympathetic to them as misfits & don't hate them. I just don't agree with it because it is naturally wrong.

HeavyD, this doesnt prove homosexuality or gay marriage to be "wrong" though

Marriage is the union between 2 people who love each other. Marriage is not to create a family and have 2.5 kids.

If your judgement on marriage is of your definition above, then should we not allow a woman who cannot bear a child to get married? How about a man with impotent sperm? How about the elderly? How about women past menapause?

Your definition of marriage is skewed.

[khtm]

Originally posted by DepTrotter


ok tom cruise

tell me about that spaceship that will be salvation for all scientologists
How old are you? I just ask because your responses indicate somewhere in the vacinity of 12-16.

[l8braker]

Originally posted by 01RedDX


Much better than raising them in an abusive household. Remember, they are up for adoption for a reason. That is the best chance they have of being raised in a loving and nurturing environment. You can't raise a child to be gay, that is a very ignorant way of thinking.

Good points

[abyss]

Originally posted by lint


Sally says "I have 2 moms/dads that love me"

The end.

:werd: and then adds, "sorry to hear that your abusive father is back home and your crackhead mom is in jail again."

Better to have two loving parents than none IMO.

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by slick2404
married yeah sure why not. adopts kids no.

lol and why not?

Your right, if a gay couple raise a child it will turn out to be gay. just like straight couples only raise straight children :rolleyes: (yes thats sarcasm)

[sputnik]

I cant wait until we can start marrying multiple partners.

See some 40 year old with a dozen 16 year old brides.

You know... its his HUMAN RIGHT and all.

[lint]

Originally posted by sputnik
I cant wait until we can start marrying multiple partners.

See some 40 year old with a dozen 16 year old brides.

You know... its his HUMAN RIGHT and all.

That's a really weak slippery slope argument at best. One thing doesn't have anything to do with the other.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by 01RedDX


Are you saying that homos are mentally retarded? This is a natural occurence in nature. Deviation is normal. You are an ignorant POS. NEXT :rolleyes:

Yes I am. Homosexuality cannot be cured. It's a defect from birth much like a mentally handicapped person cannot be cured. Chemical imbalances in the brain can be cured with medication. There is no medication that can cure homosexuality. You guys making it personal should grow up. It's my opinion.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by 403Gemini
Your definition of marriage is skewed.

That's the dictionary definition which I happen to agree with. I try not to deviate from what has been deemed right for centuries.

[nismodrifter]

Originally posted by heavyD


Sorry. I thought that I may offend some mentally retarded people. Don't get me wrong I don't hate you because you are a retard.:poosie:

So tell me, what kind of an education do you have?
How does any education you have relate to this subject?

Explain to me the physiology of homosexuality and why it is considered a birth defect.



Originally posted by heavyD


That's the dictionary definition which I happen to agree with. I try not to deviate from what has been deemed right for centuries.

I heard all the other planets revolve around the earth too...

And we all know what happens to stagnant culture right? (don't worry heavy, they dont teach this in grade school)

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by heavyD


That's the dictionary definition which I happen to agree with. I try not to deviate from what has been deemed right for centuries.
So do you have as much hate, disdain, and fear for couples who get married yet do not want to have any children?

Or men who get snipped, do you hate them too because they are deviating from your traditional views on marriage?

[nismodrifter]

You know there was also a study that shows most homophobes are actually more attracted to men than non-homophobic men. Perhaps thats the problem we have here?

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[nos_efx]

Theres got to be line a drawn somewhere, if not... Why not make polygamy legal again or better yet lets make marrying your children or sibling legal...

[01RedDX]

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