HID Color Rating

[Toms-SC]

Word,

For the HID Pro's out there I require some help. I'm looking into buying a retrofit kit for my bulb size 9006. I have noticed a wide selection of color index i.e. 6000K, 3000K.

My question is which color out of the following will be less annoying to on-coming traffic while still providing more light than my current halogens. I'd rather not be cop bait and stick with a sleeper look.

3000/4000/5000/6000/8000/10000/15000

I am currently leaning towards 8000K.

Help?

[Chester]

They will all be annoying to oncoming traffic if in a halogen housing.

The higher the kelvin rating, the bluer the light = less light output.

[Toms-SC]

Originally posted by Chester
They will all be annoying to oncoming traffic if in a halogen housing.



I really don't have anothing choice for that right now. So I'm trying to make the most out of a bad situation. :)

[Dj Dhaliwal]

i have 8000k rite now in my crv

ppl usally go after 6000k

[Weapon_R]

Factory is around 4000k, which is the best choice IMO. Anything higher is ricer purple.

[benyl]

4100K

Any more than that and you are losing light output.

9006 puts out about 1000 lumens.
9005 (you high beams) 1500 lumens.

6000K HID ~1700 lumens
4100K HID ~3000 lumens <-- don't quote me on that, it could be 2500... I can't remember.

[frostyda9]

4300K is OEM spec for most HID's. Go higher than that and you start to get blue...higher yet you get purple. As you go above 4300K you actually start to lose lumens, and that is why you're a ricer if you do ;)

edit: benyl beat me to it

[dj_rice]

8000K would be pretty blue, if your worried, get 4300K or 5000K, I have 6000K on my ride and it looks almost stock as a QX4, mines produces white light with a slight blue tinge

[?????]

Yeah oem would be from 4100k-4300k. 3000 would be yellow i believe for your fogs.

Anything higher would turn blue and into purple.

EDIT: i know i reply slow. :(

[Toms-SC]

So with 4000K being more yellow, is it less annoying than say a 6000K blue? :) Thanks a lot for the replys.

*Edit: Does anyone have a picture with 4000's installed? :)

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by Toms-SC
I'm looking into buying a retrofit kit for my bulb size 9006.

If you do that, you will be dead to me. More dead than your dead mother.

Originally posted by Chester
They will all be annoying to oncoming traffic if in a halogen housing.

:werd: HID projector retrofit or bust.

Originally posted by Toms-SC


I really don't have anothing choice for that right now. So I'm trying to make the most out of a bad situation. :)

You're not trying hard enough, son. If you can't afford a proper HID setup, go for HIR bulbs. You need 9012. These put out 75% the output of HIDs for $30/bulb. Go to www.rallylights.com to buy them or http://hirheadlights.com/ for info.

[rc2002]

^ I second that. Do it properly or don't do it at all. You'll be wasting your money on a plug and play kit. When I put an 8000k kit into my Prelude, light output was worse than the stock halogens.

[Police]

its very annoying when these retards put hids in their halogen housings, u all suck.:thumbsdow

[Lo)2enz0]

ya ghetto rig some projectors in your headlights if your going with hid's

3000k is a fog light hid, they are really yellow, and 6000k is more of a whiteish blue and anything over 10000 is purple and 25000k is green

[Police]

anything over 5000K looks like shit

[Lo)2enz0]

i would say anuthing over 6000

my friend has some pink ones in his teg, looks cool but a bit one the rice side

[mutsuraboshi]

this is what it looks like for oncoming traffic if you have:
3000k golden yellow
4500k normal halogen(birghtest for you driving in your car)
5000k pure white
6000k bluish white
7000k blue
8000k+ almost purplish

my claim with 4500k being the brightest is based on our eyes being most sensitive to yellow white light.

[eur0]

http://www.suvlights.com/images/Picture_012.jpg

[soupey]

Originally posted by richardchan2002
^ I second that. Do it properly or don't do it at all. You'll be wasting your money on a plug and play kit. When I put an 8000k kit into my Prelude, light output was worse than the stock halogens.

i disagree.

ive done the change in bulbs and the difference is HUGE, and ive lowered the aim of my headlights (glare is there, but not terrible), but the glare is not terrible like others on this board seem to assume, its entirely dependent on the type of housing.

the overall effectiveness of the light output from HID's IS there, if u upgrade to HID u WILL light up the road much more than with halogen, theres simply no way u can say that its the same or worse than halogens.



that said, 6000k will appear very slightly blue at first, over time the kelvin value decrease and you will lose some of the HID's blue appearance...i have a 6000K 9006 kit from HIDstop. its worked wonders for me on the highway so far...

and as for glare, ive had more issues with improperly aligned (or JDM) cutoffs than i have with HID kits while looking at oncoming traffic, u have to remember that being blinded by glare from a halogen housing comes from light that has been very diffused, not NEAR as bad as being blinded by being under someone elses really high cutoff. im not saying halogen housings are better, but theres a shitload of retrofitted housing on highway 2 who have their cutoff way too high and its MUCH worse than any halogen glare ive ever seen.

[FiveFreshFish]

Originally posted by Toms-SC
So with 4000K being more yellow, is it less annoying than say a 6000K blue? :) Thanks a lot for the replys.

*Edit: Does anyone have a picture with 4000's installed? :)
The 4300K are the best ones to get, or some close variant like 4100K or 4000K or 4500K. They're brighter, give more natural colour and provide the best contrast. Why go any higher?


Time to dig out my old 2002 photos. These were shot with Fuji daylight flim using a manual exposure camera. Same exposure used for all photos and same settings used during print scan. Car is an Audi S4 with European HID single-beam projectors.


6000K
http://www.members.shaw.ca/trust.no.one/Misc/Xenon1.t.jpg (http://www.members.shaw.ca/trust.no.one/Misc/Xenon1.jpg)


4300K (driver's side) & 6000K
http://www.members.shaw.ca/trust.no.one/Misc/Xenon2.t.jpg (http://www.members.shaw.ca/trust.no.one/Misc/Xenon2.jpg)


4300K
http://www.members.shaw.ca/trust.no.one/Misc/Xenon3.t.jpg (http://www.members.shaw.ca/trust.no.one/Misc/Xenon3.jpg)


6000K
http://www.members.shaw.ca/trust.no.one/Misc/Xenon4.t.jpg (http://www.members.shaw.ca/trust.no.one/Misc/Xenon4.jpg)


6000K & 4300K (driver's side)
http://www.members.shaw.ca/trust.no.one/Misc/Xenon5.t.jpg (http://www.members.shaw.ca/trust.no.one/Misc/Xenon5.jpg)


4300K
http://www.members.shaw.ca/trust.no.one/Misc/Xenon6.t.jpg (http://www.members.shaw.ca/trust.no.one/Misc/Xenon6.jpg)

[Police]

Originally posted by soupey


i disagree.

ive done the change in bulbs and the difference is HUGE, and ive lowered the aim of my headlights (glare is there, but not terrible), but the glare is not terrible like others on this board seem to assume, its entirely dependent on the type of housing.

the overall effectiveness of the light output from HID's IS there, if u upgrade to HID u WILL light up the road much more than with halogen, theres simply no way u can say that its the same or worse than halogens.


Your headlights are suppose to light up the way ahead of you. If you lower your beam then you cut down distance. Unless of course you buy hids to light the road so you can avoid manholes haha.

So then you say: "well there is still the glare that is being scattered all over the place so i still get more light, so much that the street signs glow."
haha yeah exactly my point, glare is gay.

All you are doing is lighting the ROAD more, as quoted exactly above, which is pointless. So do it right or don't do it at all.

[?????]

Originally posted by soupey


i disagree.

ive done the change in bulbs and the difference is HUGE, and ive lowered the aim of my headlights (glare is there, but not terrible), but the glare is not terrible like others on this board seem to assume, its entirely dependent on the type of housing.

the overall effectiveness of the light output from HID's IS there, if u upgrade to HID u WILL light up the road much more than with halogen, theres simply no way u can say that its the same or worse than halogens.



that said, 6000k will appear very slightly blue at first, over time the kelvin value decrease and you will lose some of the HID's blue appearance...i have a 6000K 9006 kit from HIDstop. its worked wonders for me on the highway so far...

and as for glare, ive had more issues with improperly aligned (or JDM) cutoffs than i have with HID kits while looking at oncoming traffic, u have to remember that being blinded by glare from a halogen housing comes from light that has been very diffused, not NEAR as bad as being blinded by being under someone elses really high cutoff. im not saying halogen housings are better, but theres a shitload of retrofitted housing on highway 2 who have their cutoff way too high and its MUCH worse than any halogen glare ive ever seen.

The bluish light your eyes see just makes it seem brighter. Actual lumens output is probably less(well for the 8000k richard was talking about anyways dunno about your 6000k compared to halogens).
And i believe overtime your HID bulbs actually increases in kelvin making it more blue.

[soupey]

Originally posted by ?????


The bluish light your eyes see just makes it seem brighter. Actual lumens output is probably less(well for the 8000k richard was talking about anyways dunno about your 6000k compared to halogens).
And i believe overtime your HID bulbs actually increases in kelvin making it more blue.
umm i can take comparison pics later, but i can assure u right now there is no way ur going to convince me that i dont have lights that light up the road better than i the regular philips 9006 halogen bulbs i had before.

but, i guess we're both right about the color shift...according to this (http://www.cooperlighting.com/content/source/articles/hid_sources.pdf) color shift can occur in both directions, so over time it can change ~+/-500K, altho on these forums ive seen most ppl say they decrease in K value giving whiter light over time....

[Toms-SC]

This is what my car would look like with 6000K's
http://chrisb.users.superford.org/Thunderbird/Projects/HID_Headlights/HID_04.JPG

Sylvania Silverstar on the left
HID 6000K on the right

Pretty big difference if you ask me :)

[FiveFreshFish]

Originally posted by soupey
color shift can occur in both directions, so over time it can change ~+/-500K, altho on these forums ive seen most ppl say they decrease in K value giving whiter light over time....
Just about everything I've read states that colour temperature increases resulting in more blue and less output over the life of the HID capsule.



Originally posted by Toms-SC
Pretty big difference if you ask me :)
Huge glare! :eek: Yes, big difference in a bad way because you'll have double the glare with them installed in both headlights. That's why you shouldn't put HIDs in halogen housings.

[Toms-SC]

Originally posted by FiveFreshFish


Huge glare! :eek: Yes, big difference in a bad way because you'll have double the glare with them installed in both headlights. That's why you shouldn't put HIDs in halogen housings.

Sorry to ask it but wouldn't a 4000K reduce the glare?

[FiveFreshFish]

^^^ Not really. It'll change the colour of the glare only and may be slightly worse because 4000K is brighter than 6000K.

Glare is a function of the geometric relationship between the bulb and the headlight housing.

[Toms-SC]

Thanks all :thumbsup:

[BlkMaxima]

Here's my 6000k Helios through a Projector:thumbsup:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/2443000-2443999/2443669_6_full.jpg

Retrofit on your car FTW

[?????]

Heres mine just some pictures i took before never really took new ones. 4100K with S2K HID projectors.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1870/hidbluecw0.jpg

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/5059/hidalign2kl5.jpg

[rc2002]

Not to hijack the thread, but ????? do you drive a mazda 3 sport? I saw a grey one yesterday on 14th Street on my way home from work with an awesome HID beam pattern.

[GrantC]

Originally posted by Toms-SC
This is what my car would look like with 6000K's
http://chrisb.users.superford.org/Thunderbird/Projects/HID_Headlights/HID_04.JPG

Sylvania Silverstar on the left
HID 6000K on the right

Pretty big difference if you ask me :)


Yea, a huge difference... for the worse! Can't you see that light is shining *up* towards the camera? Into the other drivers eyes?

If you want HID, get a HID housing/projectors like from an S2K that came with it.

Otherwise you're an idiot ricer. Clear?

[?????]

Originally posted by richardchan2002
Not to hijack the thread, but ????? do you drive a mazda 3 sport? I saw a grey one yesterday on 14th Street on my way home from work with an awesome HID beam pattern.

No i have a sedan. We have halogen projectors so a PnP kit isn't too bad at all with glare.

Toms-SC what car do you have? Maybe some after market projector housings (halogen) if you really want a PnP kit?

[soupey]

Originally posted by GrantC



Yea, a huge difference... for the worse! Can't you see that light is shining *up* towards the camera? Into the other drivers eyes?

If you want HID, get a HID housing/projectors like from an S2K that came with it.

Otherwise you're an idiot ricer. Clear?

LOL, depends on ur perspective, the driver would see a HUGE difference with what they see, other ppl would obviously see more glare, but hey, if its aimed somewhat nicely, u wont get anyone flashing you and it still wont be terrible, obviously its not as good as a retrofit, but it sure as hell beats halogen.

sooo many ppl on this forum will jump on a bandwagon and call anyone who uses an HID kit a ricer idiot. firsthand ive been driving quite often between edmonton and calgary and can easily say that its not HID's that bug me in pitch darkness, there are a WHOLE lot more issues with trucks, semis, any car that uses a fog lamp system at night without a cutoff, and hid's that aren't aimed low enough. sure there were a few annoying hondasthat have huuge headlight housings on the front that get dirty and basically look like glowing hid balls going down the highway, but the amount of trucks + semis that hurt my eyes outweighed them easily.

[benyl]

The beam pattern that you get when you install a hid kit in a halogen housing is shit. You get hot spots. You might think things are brighter, but they aren't. You're eyes are tricking you.

HIDs are also shit when the pavement is wet. Your lights basically disappear.

Have a read:

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/disadvantages/disadvantages.html

[GTS Jeff]

Why is this thread still going on? The GTS Jeff has already spoken and has already cleared everything up. Bottom line - get HIR bulbs instead.

[lowryder99]

Ive used HID plug and play kits (with a relay harness made by myself) for quite some time now.

And yes I use them in a halogen light housing, but I re adjusted the headlights a tiny bit and I have NEVER been flashed. I had to go back to halogens for a week and even after I re-aimed the lights I couldn't see jack compared to the hid kit.

Right after I installed my kit I had my girlfriend pass me on the highway a couple times and she said there was almost no glare, she said it was no worse than the stock headlight vehicles behind her.

If you do it properly you will be fine, my mom's aviator had factory hid's and no projector and they lit the road better than any vehicle id ever been in.

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by lowryder99
If you do it properly you will be fine, my mom's aviator had factory hid's and no projector and they lit the road better than any vehicle id ever been in. Factory HID optics can be reflector based too. They are still designed for HIDs though.

[?????]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
Factory HID optics can be reflector based too. They are still designed for HIDs though.

And probably a D2R bulb as most HID kits i've seen is just rebased D2S bulbs.

[Police]

OMG these "ricer faggots" will swear by their pnp hids all day an night, they obviously have never seen what a real cut off looks like.

You think noone is being glared by your awful butt ugly blue ricer hids because noone flashes you? UH WRONG, I've stopped flashing at you idiots becuase there just too many of you guys, whats the point really? You guys think these are soo cool and bright and the blue road your hids light up impresses all your buddies anyways.

Way to go douche bags.:thumbsdow

[lowryder99]

Originally posted by Police
OMG these &quot;ricer faggots&quot; will swear by their pnp hids all day an night, they obviously have never seen what a real cut off looks like.

You think noone is being glared by your awful butt ugly blue ricer hids because noone flashes you? UH WRONG, I've stopped flashing at you idiots becuase there just too many of you guys, whats the point really? You guys think these are soo cool and bright and the blue road your hids light up impresses all your buddies anyways.

Way to go douche bags.:thumbsdow

Are you 14 years old? Just curious....

[BlkMaxima]

Originally posted by lowryder99


Are you 14 years old? Just curious....

Probably 16 if his driving :drama:

[Police]

OMFG how did u guys know???

haha let me guess... you are one of those douche bags? :rofl:

only those rejects knew my big secret hahaha:drama:

[soupey]

Originally posted by Police
OMFG how did u guys know???

haha let me guess... you are one of those douche bags? :rofl:

only those rejects knew my big secret hahaha:drama:

uhh, ur insults and comebacks make zero sense.

[Police]

Originally posted by soupey


uhh, ur insults and comebacks make zero sense.

coming from the guy who aims his headlights way low, COOL BOYZ! 4 LYFE haha

:thumbsup:

[civic_stylez]

this is a great tutorial and comparison site for those considering it...

http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html

[BlkMaxima]

Originally posted by civic_stylez
this is a great tutorial and comparison site for those considering it...

http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html

Finally a good useful post!:thumbsup:

[Khyron]

Originally posted by Toms-SC
This is what my car would look like with 6000K's
http://chrisb.users.superford.org/Thunderbird/Projects/HID_Headlights/HID_04.JPG

Sylvania Silverstar on the left
HID 6000K on the right

Pretty big difference if you ask me :)

Low beams aren't supposed to light up everything - your car will be impounded if that photo is how it actually looks.

Khyron

[Toms-SC]

Originally posted by Khyron


Low beams aren't supposed to light up everything - your car will be impounded if that photo is how it actually looks.

Khyron

Right, I'm sure they'd impound the car for that.

[soupey]

^camera exposure will change depending on where he focused the camera with a typical point + shoot...im sure the light doesnt actually appear like that in real life. u can make halogen look like a ball of light if u really want to.

[soupey]

Originally posted by Police


coming from the guy who aims his headlights way low, COOL BOYZ! 4 LYFE haha

:thumbsup:

so...how old are u?

[Police]

Originally posted by soupey


so...how old are u?

you should know that already, you're a douche bag.

[Police]

:rofl:

[soupey]

u seem really interested in making everyone a douche bag, is there some man missing in your life, clearly u cant even face a fucking statement without reverting to some kind of homophobic response that suggests your probably somewhere between a closet and its fucking doors?.

u really need to shut your fucking inner e-thug up.

[Police]

Originally posted by soupey
u seem really interested in making everyone a douche bag, is there some man missing in your life, clearly u cant even face a fucking statement without reverting to some kind of homophobic response that suggests your probably somewhere between a closet and its fucking doors?.

u really need to shut your fucking inner e-thug up.

HAHAHHA i didn't MAKE you a douche bag princess, when you bought that gay HID kit you made yourself a douche bag.

Since when was douche bag gay?

If it really makes you happy that i make fun of you with homo responses then FUCK YOU FAGGOT RICER hahaha:rofl:

i'm not afraid to use homo terms for you so therefore i do not use homophobic responses, QUEER ASS COOL BOY!:guns:

[Police]

Now to add to this thread...

If you really want to use HIDS in a halogen housing, i've seen people use casper shields because it creates a cutoff. Its no where near as clean as projectors or even factory reflector style hids, but its better then nothing.:burnout:

[rusich]

Yeh looks like those ricer boys with their HID's are the new rebels of the society.

[Toms-SC]

Originally posted by rusich
Yeh looks like those ricer boys with their HID's are the new rebels of the society.

Go back to lurking noob

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by lowryder99


Are you 14 years old? Just curious.... Police is 30. Scary eh?

[soupey]

Originally posted by Police
Now to add to this thread...

If you really want to use HIDS in a halogen housing, i've seen people use casper shields because it creates a cutoff. Its no where near as clean as projectors or even factory reflector style hids, but its better then nothing.:burnout:

casper shields do not create a cutoff. they just reduce glare slightly by covering the top half of the bulb. might as well get ur facts straight.

[l8braker]

Originally posted by Police
Now to add to this thread...

If you really want to use HIDS in a halogen housing, i've seen people use casper shields because it creates a cutoff. Its no where near as clean as projectors or even factory reflector style hids, but its better then nothing.:burnout:

You're 30?

Unreal.

[Police]

Originally posted by soupey


casper shields do not create a cutoff. they just reduce glare slightly by covering the top half of the bulb. might as well get ur facts straight.

oh you're such a dumb fag, how does it reduce glare then? hmm i wonder, thats a hard one right there.

go get YOUR facts straight fat boy, casper shields cover the BOTTOM of the bulb to reduce the glare thats reflected from the bottom of the headlight housing, and since you are so ill-educated on casper shields, some shields actually wrap around the front of the of bulb creating a lame cutoff. Let me guess your capser shields are covering the top of the bulb? LOL

Coming from a guy who put hids in his halogen housing, i'm not surprised that i'm getting these weak ass arguments. Only SMRT PPL do that. You are so SMRT!

[soupey]

Originally posted by Police


oh you're such a dumb fag, how does it reduce glare then? hmm i wonder, thats a hard one right there.

go get YOUR facts straight fat boy, casper shields cover the BOTTOM of the bulb to reduce the glare thats reflected from the bottom of the headlight housing, and since you are so ill-educated on casper shields, some shields actually wrap around the front of the of bulb creating a lame cutoff. Let me guess your capser shields are covering the top of the bulb? LOL

Coming from a guy who put hids in his halogen housing, i'm not surprised that i'm getting these weak ass arguments. Only SMRT PPL do that. You are so SMRT!

they still dont create a cutoff u fucking retard GAHD welcome to soupey's ignore list u annoying fuck

[Police]

Originally posted by soupey


they still dont create a cutoff u fucking retard GAHD welcome to soupey's ignore list u annoying fuck

yeah fuck off then you ignorant lil shit, like i care MR ricer HID LMAO

BTW go switch your casper shields around genius.

[Toms-SC]

Police makes the 63rd person on my IL

[crazedmodder]

Hahaha I love how worked up Police gets over HID kits :thumbsup: I tend to agree with his opinion though, you should just do it right the first time and use a projector, you'll only need to do it once and you'll probably spend a lot more on the kits than the projectors so why not? Plus projectors make the headlight housing look more classy IMO.

The moral of the story is that you have two choices, listen to what 90% of the people are saying and get a proper projector or just use a kit and not ask at all because if you didn't know before, now you know you'll just get bashed.

--EDIT--
Corrected some mistakes . . . I guess I should stop skipping English class :-\

[dub_c]

Police is a friend of mine, and his car had HID's. His set up was perfect, compared to the shit I've seen.