Black Book value for 2000 Audi S4

[89coupe]

Anyone know the black book value of a 2000 Audi S4 with 40K, mint condition?

[R-Audi]

I would think around 22-25k?
Can't remember if BB is based in the US, if so its lower.. and you cant really use that since they dont pass RIV

[Aleks]

It's nowhere near that.
Black book is what the dealer would give you and in this case it's between 12-14 Grand.

This is Canadian Black book by the way.

You can go to toyota.ca go to vehicles -> appraise your trade in...

Trade-In Values

Year Make Model Series Body Style
2000 Audi S4 N/A 4D Sedan Qtro 2.7T

Based on the kilometers entered
and the options selected, your vehicle's classification
is appraised as: Clean.



Depending on your vehicle's condition, the value may be appraised within the High and Low range. * less Reconditioning Costs

Low: $12,125.00 High: $14,000.00

Current KM Reading Price Includes
Air Conditioning
Automatic Transmission

Adds Deducts
Power Sunroof
w/o Auto Trans


To receive an actual appraisal from your dealer, please complete the appraisal form.
This will aid a dealer in verifying your trade-in value.



Click here for a Used Car Appraisal Form

[89coupe]

Originally posted by Aleks
It's nowhere near that.
Black book is what the dealer would give you and in this case it's between 12-14 Grand.

This is Canadian Black book by the way.

Trade-In Values

Year Make Model Series Body Style
2000 Audi S4 N/A 4D Sedan Qtro 2.7T

Based on the kilometers entered
and the options selected, your vehicle's classification
is appraised as: Clean.



Depending on your vehicle's condition, the value may be appraised within the High and Low range. * less Reconditioning Costs

Low: $12,125.00 High: $14,000.00

Current KM Reading Price Includes
Air Conditioning
Automatic Transmission

Adds Deducts
Power Sunroof
w/o Auto Trans


To receive an actual appraisal from your dealer, please complete the appraisal form.
This will aid a dealer in verifying your trade-in value.



Click here for a Used Car Appraisal Form

That must be a US value hey?

I got this from another person.

Wholesale
Extra Clean Clean Average Rough MSRP Loan Value
Base Price 14650 13400 12150 9900 56000 12050
Add/Ded (+/-) 300 300 300 300 300
Km Adjust (-) 0 0 0 0
Region Adj. (+) 1465 1340 1215 990
Total 16415 15040 13665 11190 56000 12350

Retail
Extra Clean Clean Average Rough MSRP Loan Value
Base Price 17825 16350 14775 12225 56000 12050
Add/Ded (+/-) 300 300 300 300 300
Km Adjust (-) - - - -
Region Adj. (+) - - - -
Total 18125 16650 15075 12525 56000 12350


with sunroof and auto trans. minus 300 for no roof and minus 700 for manual

[Aleks]

Originally posted by 89coupe


That must be a US value hey?

I got this from another person.

Wholesale
Extra Clean Clean Average Rough MSRP Loan Value
Base Price 14650 13400 12150 9900 56000 12050
Add/Ded (+/-) 300 300 300 300 300
Km Adjust (-) 0 0 0 0
Region Adj. (+) 1465 1340 1215 990
Total 16415 15040 13665 11190 56000 12350

Retail
Extra Clean Clean Average Rough MSRP Loan Value
Base Price 17825 16350 14775 12225 56000 12050
Add/Ded (+/-) 300 300 300 300 300
Km Adjust (-) - - - -
Region Adj. (+) - - - -
Total 18125 16650 15075 12525 56000 12350


with sunroof and auto trans. minus 300 for no roof and minus 700 for manual

As far as I know that's Canadian dollars. They don't have region adjustement on the site I go to.

The rule of thumb I have heard is take the black book and add 35% to get what dealers would then sell the car for.

[89coupe]

Originally posted by Aleks


As far as I know that's Canadian dollars. They don't have region adjustement on the site I go to.

The rule of thumb I have heard is take the black book and add 35% to get what dealers would then sell the car for.

Must be US dollars then because most dealers are listing them at $25K roughly.

[pyar_deewane]

so are you thinking of selling the car:D

[89coupe]

Originally posted by pyar_deewane
so are you thinking of selling the car:D

Nope, buying one.

[lint]

http://www.vmrcanada.com/value_menus/canprices/00aus4s4.htm

[89coupe]

Originally posted by lint
http://www.vmrcanada.com/value_menus/canprices/00aus4s4.htm

That site must be sponsored by the car dealerships...LOL:rofl:

[lint]

Originally posted by 89coupe


That site must be sponsored by the car dealerships...LOL:rofl:

Never looked at the price it listed, just provided the link. Now that I look at it, that does seem high. For most other cars I've checked, it's very reasonable.

[dankish1]

lol sick of the dsm breaking?

[benyl]

I wouldn't pay more than $17,500 for one in pristine condition... i.e. low mileage, no rockchips.

[89coupe]

Originally posted by dankish1
lol sick of the dsm breaking?

The Talon is just my winter beater. Not really a daily driver.

[yellowsnow]

just go to toyota.ca and choose vehicles, and price your trade in appraisal... shows u the bbv of your car

[me&you]

Originally posted by benyl
I wouldn't pay more than $17,500 for one in pristine condition... i.e. low mileage, no rockchips.

And that is the right money. Also inline with the "black book" values posted before.

[Lomax]

Book Value $14950.00 (extra clean) $13500.00 (clean). Add 300.00 for power sunroof. Subtract 700 for w/o Auto Tran.:)

[Gondi Stylez]

Originally posted by 89coupe


Must be US dollars then because most dealers are listing them at $25K roughly.

any quote off of the toyota apprisal link is in CAN dollars... 15K seems to be the correct book value and yes most B5 S4's are ~20-25K because they are rare and have held there value well in comparison to the B5 1.8T

also 15K + 35% = 20 250... and that is a min of 35%... most dealerships sell cars for much higher percentages.... when i was looking for my A4 I found a nagaro blue S4 for 22K with 110K.... not a bad price!

[Gondi Stylez]

also where are you going to find a B5 S4 with only 40K? You can't even find a B6 S4 with 40K

[Cruz]

Originally posted by Gondi Stylez
also where are you going to find a B5 S4 with only 40K? You can't even find a B6 S4 with 40K

Mine's B5 with 53k.


Originally posted by Lomax
Book Value $14950.00 (extra clean) $13500.00 (clean). Add 300.00 for power sunroof. Subtract 700 for w/o Auto Tran.:)

These numbers are ridiculous. You will not find one for <25k in good condition with low km and "substract 700 for w/o Auto Tran?" Not quite. Actually, you pay a premium for the 6 spd and they're a lot more difficult to find.

EDIT: Mine's 2001 not 2000

[carzcraz]

Originally posted by Lomax
Book Value $14950.00 (extra clean) $13500.00 (clean). Add 300.00 for power sunroof. Subtract 700 for w/o Auto Tran.:)

Yup those are the quotes based on the Dec. 15.06 blackbook.

Only other thing to add is that the Average interior is 12250 and RGH. (rough) interior is 10000

These are in Canadian dollars

[Gondi Stylez]

Originally posted by Cruz


Mine's B5 with 53k.

EDIT: Mine's 2001 not 2000

thats awesome! i know low KMs like that are somewhere to be found but they are far and few between... atleast when i was shopping!

[Aleks]

Originally posted by Cruz


Mine's B5 with 53k.



These numbers are ridiculous. You will not find one for &lt;25k in good condition with low km and &quot;substract 700 for w/o Auto Tran?&quot; Not quite. Actually, you pay a premium for the 6 spd and they're a lot more difficult to find.

EDIT: Mine's 2001 not 2000

Try and trade in your car and see what number they give you. No one is arguing you can buy one for that money. Black book is what dealers buy for.

[max_boost]

Black book value and market price are sometimes nowhere close to each other. ;)

[Cruz]

Originally posted by Aleks


Try and trade in your car and see what number they give you. No one is arguing you can buy one for that money. Black book is what dealers buy for.


Originally posted by max_boost
Black book value and market price are sometimes nowhere close to each other. ;)

Good point guys. I was just thinking about when I was shopping for mine and recalled that all the low km 2000/2001's were closer to the $30k range but I wasn't aware that that there was such a discrepancy between black book and market price.

[Canaduh]

Any decent S4 of that gen that I have seen (and I've been looking) has been anywhere from 23-29,500. I found a white one once with 34 km (similar to this case) originaly owner, absolute mint car and he was asking 27. Oh it was white too which is rare :drool:

[89coupe]

Originally posted by Gondi Stylez
also where are you going to find a B5 S4 with only 40K? You can't even find a B6 S4 with 40K

My co-worker owns a 2000 S4 with 42K on it, original owner. He's agreed to sell it to me when/if he buys the new 335xi Bimmer.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Regardless of black book price and such you won't find one for much less than low-mid 20's. There are very few of them for sale as well and you want to check a few things before you buy one for sure.

Feel free to PM me if you haven't already done all your research, perhaps I can help save you some money/headaches. Additionally, I have a VAG COM and I can tell you if there is anything wrong with the car your buying as far as electrical/components/modules are concerned.

Excellent choice of car BTW :D After a $1000 chip and $1500 of suspension there really isnt anything that comes close in a luxury perfomance combo for that money.

[89coupe]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
Regardless of black book price and such you won't find one for much less than low-mid 20's. There are very few of them for sale as well and you want to check a few things before you buy one for sure.

Feel free to PM me if you haven't already done all your research, perhaps I can help save you some money/headaches. Additionally, I have a VAG COM and I can tell you if there is anything wrong with the car your buying as far as electrical/components/modules are concerned.

Excellent choice of car BTW :D After a $1000 chip and $1500 of suspension there really isnt anything that comes close in a luxury perfomance combo for that money.

I will have my buddy look over the car before I make the purchase. He's a Master Tech for Subaru and one of best damn mechanics I know.

The owner has agreed to sell it to me for the same price as a dealer would offer him on a trade which is most likely 18K

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by 89coupe


I will have my buddy look over the car before I make the purchase. He's a Master Tech for Subaru and one of best damn mechanics I know.

The owner has agreed to sell it to me for the same price as a dealer would offer him on a trade which is most likely 18K

Sounds like a pretty good deal, and a good friend to have!. You will like the car quite a bit im sure. Very common problems (with cheap, good fixes) are the diverter valves, F-hose and throttle body boot. The stock throttle body boot often cracks, but you can buy a solid Y-pipe to eliminate it or a silicon throttle body boot. Also I have no idea if the seller would tell you, but it would be good to know that the seller "turbo timed" his tubos or let them cool down for a minute after each drive (especially hard ones) as the turbos can potentially be a weak spot down the road.

Good luck with the purchase, you are going to have alot of fun. www.audiworld.com in my opinion is the best resource for information on these cars, but the forum has a crappy layout.

Is the car chipped or modified at all?

[89coupe]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt


Sounds like a pretty good deal, and a good friend to have!. You will like the car quite a bit im sure. Very common problems (with cheap, good fixes) are the diverter valves, F-hose and throttle body boot. The stock throttle body boot often cracks, but you can buy a solid Y-pipe to eliminate it or a silicon throttle body boot. Also I have no idea if the seller would tell you, but it would be good to know that the seller &quot;turbo timed&quot; his tubos or let them cool down for a minute after each drive (especially hard ones) as the turbos can potentially be a weak spot down the road.

Good luck with the purchase, you are going to have alot of fun. www.audiworld.com in my opinion is the best resource for information on these cars, but the forum has a crappy layout.

Is the car chipped or modified at all?

Car is completely stock, and that is the way it will stay.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by 89coupe


Car is completely stock, and that is the way it will stay.

I just noticed the HP on your mustang, so if you want to go super fast I guess you can go drive that :thumbsup:

I would still change the diverter valves and throttle body boot as they are so cheap. That said, you may never have any issues with them.

[Altezza]

Originally posted by 89coupe


The owner has agreed to sell it to me for the same price as a dealer would offer him on a trade which is most likely 18K

Last summer (not this summer JUST past, but previous summer), a friend of mine worked a dealership where they took an excellent condition 2000 S4 with about 65k on trade for $18xxx. They were wanting to sell it for around $26xxx.

[Cody D]

Originally posted by Cruz
These numbers are ridiculous. You will not find one for 25k in good condition with low km and substract 700 for w/o Auto Tran; Not quite. Actually, you pay a premium for the 6 spd and they're a lot more difficult to find.

Ya these are wholesale prices, I've been searching around for a 2001.5 and up B5 and you are looking at about $27,000 for a decent one.

89Coupe, I wouldn't really recommend buying one pre 2001.5 they made a large amount of upgrades to the car half way through 2001. Especially since you aren't going to be upgrading the car, the turbo's are not that reliable on the early ones. Edit: Looks like Mitsu3000GT already mentioned these problems.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Cody D


Ya these are wholesale prices, I've been searching around for a 2001.5 and up B5 and you are looking at about $27,000 for a decent one.

89Coupe, I wouldn't really recommend buying one pre 2001.5 they made a large amount of upgrades to the car half way through 2001. Especially since you aren't going to be upgrading the car, the turbo's are not that reliable on the early ones. Edit: Looks like Mitsu3000GT already mentioned these problems.

You right the problems were mostly fixed in 2001, however I should mention it is only about $100-$150 to remedy all the potential weak spots so don't pass up a nice 2000 over that.

[Cody D]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
You right the problems were mostly fixed in 2001, however I should mention it is only about $100-$150 to remedy all the potential weak spots so don't pass up a nice 2000 over that.

Including fixing the cooling issues with the turbo's? That would be great it's hard to find a nice S4 let alone a certain year one.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Cody D


Including fixing the cooling issues with the turbo's? That would be great it's hard to find a nice S4 let alone a certain year one.

I'm not too sure what you mean exactly by the cooling issues with the turbos, but I am going to assume you are referring to when I suggested you make sure it has been turbo timed/cooled after use.

This goes for any car, not just the S4. If its turbo charged, you should let it idle for a minute or so, depending on how hard you drove it before turning it off. The car does have an after-run pump that circulates coolant, but you need to keep oil moving around the turbos for a little bit to prevent anything from getting too hot and potentially damaged. There is some debate over this, but most people would agree it is better in most or all situations. That said, there are people on chipped stock turbos who have never let it cool down in its life claiming to have 150,000 MILES on the car.

If you end up buying it, send me a PM and I can show you the best/cheapest places to pick up good replacement parts to fix the few small issues the 2000 has. Also I can point you to good how-to's with pictures if you don't want to pay a mechanic. And lastly, of course, if you ever get a CEL send me a PM I can scan your car and tell you what it is to save you $100.

[R-Audi]

Yeah, there are a few of us with the diagnostic software around that can easily help... other then that Audiworld and George @ Tunedub are your other good assets.

[Altezza]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt


I'm not too sure what you mean exactly by the cooling issues with the turbos, but I am going to assume you are referring to when I suggested you make sure it has been turbo timed/cooled after use.


I think he's referring to the larger oil inlets on the turbos for 2001.5 that help improve cooling.

Other stuff like the 710N bypass valves and other various weak hoses are relatively easy to take care of.

[Cody D]

Originally posted by Altezza
I think he's referring to the larger oil inlets on the turbos for 2001.5 that help improve cooling.

Yep, that's what I meant.