2008 Dodge Viper

[hks]

8.4L V10 600hp :eek:

ZO6 what???

[snowboard]

:clap:

[Ekliptix]

Too much info

[Lexxan]

It's still a fucking dodge.

[tapout]

Originally posted by Lexxan
It's still a fucking dodge.
whats wrong with dodge?

[schocker]

But.....Blue Devil Z06 has been announced now to rival the Viper.

[timsthetim]

doesn't matter if the got an extra 100 horse out of a huge engine, it's still an outdated pig, mind you a very attractive outdated pig, but still an outdated pig

[Ekliptix]

:werd: Hp/L is where it's at man!! I prefer knowing I've got some real technology into my ride over going fast or having fun.

[Cruz]

Originally posted by Lexxan
It's still a fucking dodge.


Originally posted by tapout

whats wrong with dodge?

There must be a lot wrong with Dodge for people to want to get the fuck out of it.

[mikestypes]

Originally posted by hks
8.4L V10 600hp :eek:

ZO6 what???

While a 600hp is awesome, the Z06 is still a few hundred pounds lighter and costs ALOT less, plus the Viper is still using the same radio Neons used to use. The interior is in dire need of a remodel.

[Hamann]

Originally posted by Cruz




There must be a lot wrong with Dodge for people to want to get the fuck out of it.

:rofl:

[iceburns288]

Originally posted by mikestypes
While a 600hp is awesome, the Z06 is still a few hundred pounds lighter and costs ALOT less, plus the Viper is still using the same radio Neons used to use. The interior is in dire need of a remodel.
The new Viper weighs 100lbs less than the 06. Would you really buy a Viper to bitch about the radio?

[gp36912]

Originally posted by Ekliptix
:werd: Hp/L is where it's at man!! I prefer knowing I've got some real technology into my ride over going fast or having fun.
....... ya........ i bet if you throw some tech into that engine, you can make massive gains.


Originally posted by iceburns288

The new Viper weighs 100lbs less than the 06. Would you really buy a Viper to bitch about the radio?


^^^ hahaha so true, first id do is straight pipe it and turn the radio off.

[bspot]

Originally posted by Ekliptix
:werd: Hp/L is where it's at man!! I prefer knowing I've got some real technology into my ride over going fast or having fun. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[mikestypes]

Originally posted by iceburns288

The new Viper weighs 100lbs less than the 06. Would you really buy a Viper to bitch about the radio?

Try again....it is 3 lbs heavier than the 2006 model, so slightly over 3400 lbs. (3413lbs). The Z06 is 300 lbs lighter at 3130lbs and the Blue Devil is rumoured to be under 3000 lbs.

If I were paying well over 100g's for the car, I sure as hell would bitch about the shitty stereo and exposed screws on the dash board, but that wouldn't be a dealbreaker.

[2M6]

What's with all the haters.....you won't understand what the car is all about until you drive one. Trust me, you won't be bitching about radios and interior styling after a test drive.

[JAYMEZ]

Id still buy a Viper anyways lol . I like em :thumbsup: and so do women do as well!

[cressida_pimpin]

little 1.8 litre hondas are running around with 400 hp and it takes them an extra 6.6 litres for an extra 200? Even an a K20, 220 at the wheels, 110 whp/L. Wheres the good ratio for the viper? but ur right ^^^ definitely pick up a few more chicks in a viper than a honda

[Ford]

Originally posted by cressida_pimpin
little 1.8 litre hondas are running around with 400 hp and it takes them an extra 6.6 litres for an extra 200? Even an a K20, 220 at the wheels, 110 whp/L. Wheres the good ratio for the viper? but ur right ^^^ definitely pick up a few more chicks in a viper than a honda

You don't understand the purpose of the viper, modern big block hot rod. Means tons of torque high displacement and cool sounding idle. Not to mention all aluminum tube frame advanced suspension and a complete car including dshaft/rear end that can handle over 1000hp without even blinking or worrying about busting anything up.

It doesnt take dodge 8.4 litres to make 600hp, take a look at the srt-4 foo! They wanted 8.4..

Why dont you just start comparing the diesel displacement of semi trailers now mr smartie pants, 16 Litres inline 6 @ 400-650HP.

Bet your 1.8 could pull a 100,000 lb trailer too man.

You've gotta sit back and think about comparisons, you didn't make any sense at all. Why do you care you'll never be able to afford a viper anyways...

[iceburns288]

Originally posted by cressida_pimpin
little 1.8 litre hondas are running around with 400 hp and it takes them an extra 6.6 litres for an extra 200? Even an a K20, 220 at the wheels, 110 whp/L. Wheres the good ratio for the viper? but ur right ^^^ definitely pick up a few more chicks in a viper than a honda
Those 1.8L Hondas with 400hp are turbocharged, right? How would you like to try one of the turbo Vipers ranging from 1800-2200hp from 8.3L? As far as my math goes (which isn't far, I'm American) that is more hp/l than your lil Honder.

[collectskulls]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/01/12/gm-accepts-viper-srt10-challenge/

[Sparx]

Oh shit here goes the whole imports vs. domestic b.s again. Bottom line is you can't compare a 2.0L Turbo Vehicle to say the likes of a viper turbo or not. Most vipers i've read about are twin charged and have between 700-900 HP. I say they can't be compared because of all the variables, everyone knows bigger displacement = more torque. More PSI, means more power. So shit lets just put that to rest.
And BTW, Corvette Blue Devil FTMFW!

[JohnsonNJohnson]

"little 1.8 litre hondas are running around with 400 hp "

To those people i say congrats. You've managed to waste 50 G's on a ugly FWD peice of garbage that will be in the shop once a week and won't get you a fraction of the pune.

Congrats!!!!

[eur0]

Imports vs. Domestics

Round: 412382190380921 x ∞

I feel like I'm back in Grade 8 social class debating again, again, again, sorry got caught up, again :rolleyes:

[R!zz0]

Originally posted by tapout

whats wrong with dodge?

Don't Over Drive Gutless Engine...I still take a vette anytime of the day.

[Justing]

Originally posted by cressida_pimpin
little 1.8 litre hondas are running around with 400 hp and it takes them an extra 6.6 litres for an extra 200? Even an a K20, 220 at the wheels, 110 whp/L. Wheres the good ratio for the viper? but ur right ^^^ definitely pick up a few more chicks in a viper than a honda



good comparison:rolleyes:

[cressida_pimpin]

Originally posted by JohnsonNJohnson
"little 1.8 litre hondas are running around with 400 hp "

To those people i say congrats. You've managed to waste 50 G's on a ugly FWD peice of garbage

50,000?? You're kidding right? 400whp in a civic will cost under 10,000+ car. I'm not arguing that a honda is better than a viper! Just saying I thought they would have more than 600 stock considering the displacement

[Hoey]

Wasnt the old Viper a 8.3L, Is this the same block as the one in the old one? or am I on crack?

I LOVE HP/L Why do you think I love rotaries...
But I agree with "Ford" on that it didnt take 8.4L's to make 600hp, They wanted to make an 8.4L 600hp Dodge! lol

Im not huge on vipers at all, but I am in love with SRT-4's. Dodge has good diesel trucks too, so no bashing here.

[Hoey]

Originally posted by cressida_pimpin


50,000?? You're kidding right? 400whp in a civic will cost under 10,000+ car. I'm not arguing that a honda is better than a viper! Just saying I thought they would have more than 600 stock considering the displacement

I cant see a 400whp civic for 10K.....
Well actually, i dunno. maybe 400whp but still 143wtq

[Aleks]

Originally posted by Hoey


I cant see a 400whp civic for 10K.....
Well actually, i dunno. maybe 400whp but still 143wtq

thats because you haven't been on here long enough to see it.

There are/were 400whp hondas with 250+wtq on this very site. Also the HP/L argument is weak by import guys.

I read this on beyond and loved the analogy:

An ant can push many times his weight (great power to weight ratio), I can't (my power to weight is weak.) Kinda like hp/l argument. But If I chose to I can sqash the ant anytime I want because in the end I have more power overall. :rofl:

[iceburns288]

Like I said in another thread... it doesn't matter if a Civic gets 400hp from a 2.0 and a Viper gets 600 from a 8.4... the Viper still has 600 and the Civic still has 400. The end.

Just to let y'all know, an engine dyno netted 618hp and 594lb-ft for this car. Crank, not wheel horsepower.

[403Gemini]

Also keep in mind

That 1.8L turbocharged civic still sounds and looks like a lawnmower next to a 8.4L 600 hp dodge viper ;)

im not saying lets not give props to where its deserved, but as said above, you turbo a viper you're going to see a lot better results.

400 hp civic is near its "peak" whereas a base model viper has room to "Grow" ;)

why do people compare aftermarket cars to modded cars? better yet, domestic to import.

[JCX]

It's funny the fanbois who whack off over hp/l never seem to have enough litres. Furthermore I don't care how big a turbo you stick on a civic, I'll take a Viper every time for sheer pimp factor and driveability. It'll also outhandle in the "twistiez".

BTW, for the techno fags around here, the new V-10 is said to have variable valve timing.

:whocares: :repost:

[Police]

Originally posted by Ekliptix
:werd: Hp/L is where it's at man!! I prefer knowing I've got some real technology into my ride over going fast or having fun.

maybe some people actually care about global warming and its negative side effects you dumb douche.:thumbsdow

[JohnsonNJohnson]

"maybe some people actually care about global warming and its negative side effects you dumb douche."

We'll then drive a yaris my friend because people with 400 horse civics aren't helping the cause you brilliant douche


I bet a 400 horse vette gets better gas mileage then a 400 horsepower tuner civic

[Sparx]

^^^^
Quadruple the displacement, twice as many cylinders? I think not.

[mikestypes]

Originally posted by Sparx
^^^^
Quadruple the displacement, twice as many cylinders? I think not.

Yeah, cause the power produced has nothing to do with fuel consumption..:banghead:

A stock 6.0L vette gets better mileage than a stock 2.0L S2000.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Cruz




There must be a lot wrong with Dodge for people to want to get the fuck out of it.


Cruz did you get my PM about VAG COM?

Sorry for thread hijack.

[Sparx]

Originally posted by mikestypes


Yeah, cause the power produced has nothing to do with fuel consumption..:banghead:

A stock 6.0L vette gets better mileage than a stock 2.0L S2000.

I'm not saying that the power produced has nothing to do with fuel consumption. But most american muscle makes their power in lower RPM's i.e 5 grand-ish under. Which is pretty much normal street driving. where as most boosted civics dont really make their power till about 5 grand + Which is a little bit heavier than daily driving. So im just saying in a normal day scenario i think the civic would still get better gas mileage. That's just IMO i'm not saying that's the case

[hb2k]

Originally posted by Police


maybe some people actually care about global warming and its negative side effects you dumb douche.:thumbsdow

man it been cold out. i welcome global warming. :thumbsup:

[RSX-REX]

This thread is starting to die. The posts are so far from the original post its funny.
With no comparison in mind the Dodge viper is a great car.
It hauls, handles well and is a stunner to look at period.
I personally feel the z06 can be comparible to the Viper because they both equate to the same attributes, and ofcourse one is less money then the other.
Leave it at this folks, some people will be drawn to the viper, they love the car so its a great vehicle for them.
Others are drawn to the corvette and wont look twice at a viper.
Why must you begin comparing it to a 400 hp civic?
If someone enjoys modifying a vehicle, and taking the vehicles performance and seing how far they can go with it, then a 400 hp there is nothing wrong with that.
Its a completely different story though then comparing it to a factory stock vehicle.
Don't compare them, take the thread as is
the 2008 viper is a nice car, for those who are un aware search google and watch some videos.

[Nismo S13]

civic vs viper, lol all i can say is u can only do the one wheel hop for soo long!:rofl: hahaha, "theres no replacement for displacement", dont get me wrong, i love my imports, but the majority of em lack in torque...:cry:

[JohnsonNJohnson]

"I'm not saying that the power produced has nothing to do with fuel consumption. But most american muscle makes their power in lower RPM's i.e 5 grand-ish under. Which is pretty much normal street driving. where as most boosted civics dont really make their power till about 5 grand + Which is a little bit heavier than daily driving. So im just saying in a normal day scenario i think the civic would still get better gas mileage. That's just IMO i'm not saying that's the case"

in a s-2000's case you almost have to keep the revs high.

in a 400 horsepower civic, you will go through premium like an h2 goes through regular even if you try to keep the rpms down. Thats not including the cost of nitrous you'll need to get your 400 horse.

A turbo or supercharger alone will probably make a civic get worse gas mileage then a vette

[BigMass]

In Canada, for about $20,000 less than a Viper you can get a Lotus Exige S which IMO is more fun to drive, looks more exotic and is far more rare in North America. Gets better gas mileage, cheaper on consumables like tires/brakes, has similar performance and both are equally impractical. For me there are definitely other options.

[gp36912]

yes the exige is a nice car.... but its still a super charged 1.8L inline 4 with vvt. you wont get the torque you need. the upside is its light, a full 1000 pounds lighter than the current viper, which makes it more nimble than the viper. if only they'd have a v6 in there. give it some good torque and hp numbers, then it'd still weight roughly 800-900 pounds lighter than the viper with numbers that can actually compete against the thing. (btw est 0-60 on wiki is 3.5 for the viper. 4.1 (great figures) for the 218 hp exige s)) now imagine that same car with a slightly bigger, torquier engine :D would eat those vipers for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

[JohnsonNJohnson]

"In Canada, for about $20,000 less than a Viper you can get a Lotus Exige S which IMO is more fun to drive, looks more exotic and is far more rare in North America. Gets better gas mileage, cheaper on consumables like tires/brakes, has similar performance and both are equally impractical. For me there are definitely other options."

A Vette will destroy exige(around same price) in just about everying and gets the same gas mileage. Vette all the way If you want best performance for you buck while not drivng a fwd ch1tter.


gp36912

I'm pretty sure a 600 horse viper can do a little better then 0 to 60 in 4.1. Dodge claims that the old viper does 0 to 60 in 3.7(probably more like 4)

[Ekliptix]

Originally posted by Police


maybe some people actually care about global warming and its negative side effects you dumb douche.:thumbsdow
The first personal attack I've received in 5 years on beyond! :whipped:
I've also been riding a 2-stroke snowmobile for 9 years my hippie, toyota prius driving, hemp wearing, vegetarian, friend. :) I do recycle though.

[Police]

Originally posted by Ekliptix

The first personal attack I've received in 5 years on beyond! :whipped:
I've also been riding a 2-stroke snowmobile for 9 years my hippie, toyota prius driving, hemp wearing, vegetarian, friend. :) I do recycle though.

would you like a cookie?

:whocares:

[Ekliptix]

Not me, at least about your post. Lets get back on track here, nevermind, I don't think there's anything left.

[Police]

Originally posted by Ekliptix
Not me, at least about your post. Lets get back on track here, nevermind, I don't think there's anything left.

come back and talk to me when your IQ is higher than room tempreture.

[Ekliptix]

:)

[gp36912]

Originally posted by JohnsonNJohnson A Vette will destroy exige(around same price) in just about everying and gets the same gas mileage. Vette all the way If you want best performance for you buck while not drivng a fwd ch1tter.


gp36912

I'm pretty sure a 600 horse viper can do a little better then 0 to 60 in 4.1. Dodge claims that the old viper does 0 to 60 in 3.7(probably more like 4) [/B]


first things first. i did say the vettes est 0-60 is 3.5, whereas the 4.1 is for the exige..... please read carefully before posting.

second of all, the exige is a mid engine rear wheel drive car, that gets slightly worse gas mileage than my parents corolla, and slightly better gas mileage than my bmw.... city driving my corolla does 7.5L/100km, the exige s is something like 9.1L/10km, my bmw is 10.5L/10km, and the figures you get for the corvette is 14.7L/100km, the 7.5L and 10.5L are both calculated by me from fuel fillups etc. and arent exact. either way. how can you say that the vette is gonna outperform it when you didnt even know that the exige is a mid engine rwd car? on top of the fact that the exige is way lighter.

Covette z06 Exige S
1419.7 kilo / 3130 lb 935 kilo / 2061.3 lbs

thats right its 1/3 lighter than the z06. and that alone helps it handle so better already. that does not even include all the research lotus has put into engineering the suspension and the chasis so that it is a maneuverable car.

now dont get me wrong, z06 is a great car in its own rights, but it wont destroy the exige in the bends, i'm pretty sure it can out accelerate the exige, but cornering wise its a tossup between rear wheel grip in the z06 and the nimbleness of the exige.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by Police


maybe some people actually care about global warming and its negative side effects you dumb douche.:thumbsdow
The Viper will meet all federal emissions laws and should even get better gas mileage than a 400hp civic. The civic will have to pretty much have nothing for an exhaust system and run on race gas as well. Small displacement high hp turbo cars are pretty much the worst vehicles out there for the environment.

[gp36912]

if you are argueing about global warming maybe you would be interested in this little bit of useless facts.
http://www.show.me.uk/site/news/STO873.html
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/2004/es399/lec02.html
^^^ if what this article from the u at oregon is right, then methane is a very important factor in global warming, because even though the methane concentration is 1.8 ppm it is contributing highly to the global warming whereas CO2's concentration is 366. (all figures are from that website) and so if one cow produces 20 kgs of methane, etc etc. maybe we should just kill all the cows.